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good point. a combo is the answer i think.
my IM jab into quad is far less bothered today then usual, as 1/3 of the shot went sub q.
I am liking this.
BTW, for 1cc sub q i use the same pin and poke twice. just like I would with IGF and MGF
Also, the right side belly where I did the 1cc of test prop in two jabs about an inch apart is no more irritated then the 1/2 cc on the left side.
tomorrow, i will try 1cc in one poke...... I am a wee bit nervous.
I'm very interested this thread.
As an experiment I just poked .5 cc test prop 150 in EO. 29 gauge filled in about 30 seconds, and went in fast. No irritation yet, no redness. I'll be interested in the result since EO bothered me IM, and prop always seem to hurt. We'll see what happens for pain/swelling and absorption.
I don't know about you guys, but I can do a subQ shot way faster than an IM shot - something about jamming a 29g slin pin .5 inches into the stomach area vs a 25g 1" the glute. Very convenient.
i find irritation peaks at 36 hours, and then subsides.
1 cc is slightly more painful then 1/2cc, so i would recommend 1/2cc shots for the squeemish.
so much better then painful IM though
It's a pain in the ass :)
One of the best threads going, thanks Waderow :a+
I'd give you some k but i have to spread it around some, lol....
I did this Sub Q shot a few times with a 23gauge 1cc of oil,and i never had any pain,plus the oil went in fast.Great thread btw hope a few more guys try a sub Q shot.
ran out of slin pins today, so i jabbed sub q with a 25ga 1", and put 1/2 cc in higher up on my belly. Went in 5/8-3/4" or so, but hit the sub q layer.
25 ga sucks compared to a slin pin.....
Off to the surgical supply store LOL
Do we have any details on the 'lower estrogen side effects'? Would this be the case with lower absorbtion? I'd have to think about this one.. anyone care to share thoughts on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyO
is it just a slower absorption of the steroid? or does it even get as fully absorbed by the body as an I.M. shot?
im gonna try some prop subq today
Slower, not lower absorbtion
the studies from the original post discuss concentrations
Ack - I meant slower. Lower estrogen sides from slower absorption.. I was thinking about that today.. if an IM shot of cyp or enanthate is absorbed more quickly, and peaks in the first couple of days before leveling off, do we see more aromatization in the first few days? So would a slower, steady absorption be different? hmm..
And by the way - that EO Prop has now made a red patch on my stomach that's a little sore. It's about 31 hours later.
my 1cc shots a little sore. i will keep them to 1/2cc max.
i noticed that 36 hours, pain peaks, and then subsides
interesting.
^^Very^^
1/2 cc has little pain. 1 cc is a little sore, but not bad.
Tomorrow I will try 2@ 1/4cc. I am thinking no ill-effects.
i shot 1/2cc x 2 spots yesterday prop in eo and no pain so far a little bit red though
My prop in EO shot is a red, tight blotch, slightly warm. I've now experimented with a 1/4 cc shot of enanthate in oil subQ, so I'll be able to compare. I always seem to react IM to EO, so we'll see if the oil shot is better.
Also - I realized that the slin pins can take a bigger gauge for drawing no problem - no need to backload, just draw with 22g and swap on a 29g.
my slin pins are fixed units, as I do peptides in them and do not want to lose any hormone.
They are 29 ga x 1/2" and draw just fine. Takes about a minute for 1/2cc
used to do this a lot.
the fastest way to load is to preload a bunch... don't pull off the orange cap just pull the plunger on the slin pin and load it from the back. leave a small air bubble so that you can hold the rubber bit of the plunger over the hole and let the bubble rise up to the tip. When the bubble has risen to the top, push the plunger in to seat it and evacuate the air. much faster to load and the needle hasn't been dulled on a rubber stopper. There are some tips and nuances to doing it this way [eg run the gear down the side of the barrel so you don't get an air lock when loading and warm the syringe in your waist band for a few minutes to thin the oil before injecting] but you will get pretty good at it after a few times.
okay. a few observations
Avoid larger then 1/2 cc shots
Avoid high belly shots.
Avoid very low abdominal. Belt line is perfect.
Hip shots are great
Glute shots completely painless.
warm the oil
29ga x 1/2" slin pin is perfect needle
Awesome information... keep the updates rolling in. :)
Any new updates?
nothing new.
I have come to the conclusion that it is very valid. When volumes are high, you can lower them and take a cc sub q in a couple jabs.
I am going to get a hold of some boldenone and make some 500mg/ml EQ, and next cycle will be:
test prop 200mg/ml EOD x 1ml IM
tren a 100mg/ml EOD x 1ml IM
EQ 500mg/ml Sub Q x 1/2ml E3D Sub Q
Hey Waderow, I'm curious. Why do the EQ subQ? EQ is the one thing I absolutely never have a problem injecting IM. I've done a 3ml glute shot many times and felt nothing the next day. Why not do the prop shots subQ, and 1.5 ml EQ once a week since EQ is a super long ester? Does the prop ever bother you IM?
because i can brew it to 500mg/ml I prefer to cut down on volume. I can blast 2 cc of SA prop, and minimal pain.
I suppose I could try the 500mg EQ IM first and then decide. I doubt it will matter for me, but I have no problems switching things up.
True soldier you are attempting this man. Have you tried injecting anything sub q with eo?
i tried prop in eo it was painlessQuote:
True soldier you are attempting this man. Have you tried injecting anything sub q with eo?
yup the SA is EOQuote:
Originally Posted by Ritch
Interesting. I`ll keep an eye on this thread and if you still have a pulse in 2 months or so, I`ll give it a try!Quote:
Originally Posted by waderow
lol i am fine. My volume is down to 1.5 cc eod now, so I am just jabbing IM. It was a godsend when i was 3.5cc eod. I will use this method forever
why would he not have a pulse in 2 months ? is eo bad to do sub q or something? just wondering broQuote:
Originally Posted by Ritch
no no no there is no difference from sub q to im. if anything sub q is safer for infection risk.. a surface infection would be a simple lancing, and anti biotics. I deep IM infection can kill you
yah figured that i just got confused for a second there haha
I`m no scientist and for decades the way to do it has always been IM. So of course it`s just weird to hear someone do it this way when the other has always been done. Honestly, I`d rather do a sub q shot and have nothing against this method. The only time I ever shot myself I damn near passed out! I have no clue if it`s bad to shoot eo sub q either, the only way to find out is to do it. You first!Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteinkiller
Anyway at one point I may have to get passed the fear of injecting because I`m seriously thinking of shooting my calves...
Earlier in this thread I shot some EO subQ, and it was okay. I did seem to get a bit more of a reaction than the oil, but not a lot. This is the first time I've tried subQ shots - I'm a week in, and I love the ease of the shots. I loaded a set of slin pins with oil, and now to do a shot takes seconds. I'm actually really liking it.
Yeah, it is nice to have the option. I am a believer LOL
I just did my first subq injection of 125mg suspension.. went in smooth and totally painless so far, ill let you know it feels tomorrow.
have you noticed any change in the time it takes for the susp to "hit" you? ie. does it take longer than 1.5 hrs?Quote:
Originally Posted by canadianmuscle0803
in all honesty i felt it pretty quickly!! not much difference then IM.Quote:
Originally Posted by legaliz3