From what I've seen the pro men's physique winners look like a pro bodybuilder from the 70's , so yeah , you are right lol.
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From what I've seen the pro men's physique winners look like a pro bodybuilder from the 70's , so yeah , you are right lol.
I think somebody said it earlier either in this thread or another. Competition is getting fierce in bodybuilding, and I'll go so far as to say even more so in Atlantic. Since 2010 3 pro cards have gone to Atlantic Canada and 2 consecutive years the junior's were won by someone from Atlantic. He's got the legs and a great physique but will easily need another 30lbs to be competitive. 170lbs won't cut it. So in the meantime physique will give the diet and show experience so when he transitions back to bodybuilding he'll be more dialed in than ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hosehead
I'm also not a fan of the whole board shorts movement taking place, but I definitely understand those that do it and I expect it to grow exponentially over the next few years.
Thanks IronRobi, this is my thoughts as well!Quote:
Originally Posted by IronRobi
Starting my carb up tonight, intra workout!
Correction, 4 pro cards in the men, and at least 7 girls that I can count!Quote:
Originally Posted by IronRobi
Yes, 30 pounds to be competitive for a pro card, but that isn't always the be all end all for competitive bodybuilding. Personally I have no realistic shot at a pro card in bodybuilding, nor physique. And while I have the size more comparable to men's physique, I will continue to be a bodybuilder. No disrespect either way. It's all personal preference. I say go for it (ie physique), many years to switch back to BB if you want.
hahahaha shit I completely forgot about mike lynds and I sat here for 15 minutes after reading your post trying to figure out who I was missing
I woke up today at 168.2 lbs, but assume I'm a bit lower as I hadn't, and still haven't tonight, had a bowl movement since yesterday morning.
Today was the last stretch of the carb deplete, I went carbless til I trained chest/shoulders/tris tonight, intra workout - 2 scoops vitargo s2.
Today I will eat:
131 protein
490 carb
15 fat
37 fiber
5,000 mg sodium
2,610 cals
10L water
I'm still in a calorie deficit mind you, this is to continue to tighten up while the carbs do their work.
New supps specifically for filling up and drying out:
8g vitamin c
2 r-ala capsules with every carb meal
2g of creatine with every meal
20g of glutamine spread throughout the day
Post workout tonight. Carbs really hadn't kicked in to tbh, it was a short workout. Very full from water and sodium.
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He's probably still out eating, but congrats on the 2nd place.
I guess I don't understand the judging of this category yet. To me you were bigger and leaner than the guy who took 1st. Which is probably why you got 2nd?
My overall thoughts on the show were kind of disappointing. Record # of competitors with 138, but probably a record # who just completely missed their conditioning as well.
Weighed in saturday morning at 7am at 166.9 lbs
at 730 I had a Mcdonals Bacon Egg Cheese McMuffin and a hashbrown for the carb/fats/sodium
I wasn't quite filled out as I would have liked by 10 and was due on stage around 11 so I had some low sodium fat and carbs by way of nutella on rice cakes and a couple shots of honey
Made first call-out, right beside my business/training partner whom I helped prep and he helped me - i said we're taking 1 and 2 just not sure which will win (win win either way since we'll both get Nationals qualification and either of us can say, hey my guy won haha)
After prejudging I had to hang around bc I trained 3 girls who'd yet to go on so I snacked on rice cakes.
then at 2pm I had a chicken finger BLT and fries.
I weighed in after at 165.8, so I lost 1 lb but estimate I ate 2lbs of food, which SHOULD mean I lost 3 lbs of water - I pissed 3 times and was sweating a lot bc it was so hot in there. For some this would mean drink 3 lbs worth of water and replicate your morning food if you were happy with how you looked. 3 lbs of water just seems like too much though, so I drank half that and watched my body throughout. I did want to be just as dry but could even been fuller - problem is water is required for fullness so was a tricky situation.
I ended up consuming that 1.5 lbs of water, and snacked on low sodium carbs/fats until 1 hr before I expected to be on stage again, at which time I assessed my dryness and fullness and acted accordingly.
more low sodium fat and more low sodium carbs did the trick
In neither part of the shows was I as lean as I would normally like to be, but I felt it was necessary at this show so to avoid the judges who've seen me compete 4 times now as a bb'er even consider me as a Mens Physique competitor, and I think it worked.
I took second to my partner in crime (co-owner/trainer of our training outfit) who went on to take the overall. He has competed in the wbff before, and done some modelling shows so his men's physique stage presence was on a different level than mine. It's a win-win though because I helped him prep, our business gets the boost, and I qualify for Nationals after only being in a calorie deficit for 2-3 weeks, no cardio really :)
He went on to win the overall, it's also not bad coming 2nd to the overall winner. Happened to me last year this show but in men's bb middleweight haha
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Congrats Randy! BTW awesome legs, too bad you had to cover them!
Eric
haha, the leg compliments are almost haunting at this point..
I agree with your comments about RM being bigger and leaner. Apparently he is still too muscular/big to win the physique category. But too good to be anything other than second.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronRobi
I wasn't at the show but the pictures of Johnny Doull show him to be nothing short of shredded and huge.
Was it that the winners were clear cut and the 2nd place on downwards were off? I think the results were: Johnny winning heavyweight, Mike GRay winning light heavy, Jay McDonald winning middle. and after that I have no idea.
Was it a good show?
edit: I think that I am hijacking this thread moving it in another topic. sorry about that.
Physique (men and women), figure, bikini, are WAY more subjective than bodybuilding. You can't just have the ideal physique and mean you are going to win. stage presence is about 80% of it. That's why there is such an incredible spectrum of types of bodies that do well in those divisions. People always ask for advice on how to improve their body to suit the division. They place 2nd to someone a little less conditioned and they assume the next show to get less ripped. It's the biggest mistake I've seen over the years especially in figure. The girls just said, OH the judges go for "this" today, its so confusing, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronRobi
When in reality stage presence determines success most often. Hard to figure out, but once you do, its a powerful tool. At that point you don't need to worry much about improving bodyparts, etc, since the effort needed to put it to make the change in your physique would have been trumped 100 fold by putting the same effort into perfecting stage presence. Some people are born with it, some people can practice to get it, and some people will just never get to that point. Personally I would likely never have had what it takes to pull of the physique stage presence. I would say Randy would agree that was the reason for 1st vs. 2nd when the first place had more experience in that type of light. Both arguably had pro body types - but its not really the body that separates the placings.
You're bang on here, Steve. Lucas was on another level with his stage presence. He's done modelling and the WBFF, so stage presence for men's physique was definitely his strength that day.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve_d
They posted the scores, Lucas had a 6 and I had an 11, third and fourth had 20's. This mean's two judges had me in third! Seeing the scores kind of bothered me because I wanted it to be closer, but the scores are only a reflection of what the NBPFA judges want, in a brand new category they have absolutely zero experience judging to my knowledge, and clearly didn't look at what is successful at the national level (see. Chris Gurunlian)... but I digress.
Lucas showed up drier and fuller at the night show, nailed his routine, and I'm happy for him and our training outfit.
I've sometimes questioned how they get the scores they get. It's supposed to be 7 judges, cancel high and low. And mathematically, I suppose to get 11, you would have had 2 1st, 2 2nd, an 3 3rds. Or possibly something like 5x2nd, 2x3rd. But when you really start writing it out, it gets hard to figure out what the judges really ranked you guys unless you had the scores (by judge) in front of you. Sometimes its a lot easier to figure out. In this case its very hard since you said 3rd and 4th were in the 20s. This means their average rank was 4 or more, meaning even those guys would have multiple 5s or 6s. And if that is true, you go back and try to figure out who might have had you first and if anyone did, why was their 2nd places not consistent between the overall scores. And then sometimes the scores really don't add up and you have to wonder if they didn't cancel high low at all, or maybe a judge had a missing score, etc.
Moral of the story, if you had you're hands on the scores you were clearly 2nd and a LOT closer to first than you were to 3rd, so it doesn't even matter if 1 or more had you third, because for all we know, the first place guy might have had a 4th and the 5th place guys might have had a first! It really would be the only way to see the scores you saw. Again, it goes to show its not body types that win shows, its stage presence. Chris won nationals, but even though I wasn't there I bet it had nothing to do with his body. at least 3/4 of the guys on stage in physique have a good enough physique to win. only 1-2 guys have everything else perfected TO win.