FAME Canadian National Championships
Sept 11, 2010
Edmonton, AB
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FAME Canadian National Championships
Sept 11, 2010
Edmonton, AB
Avoid Fame shows
Why? They seem fitness rather than bodybuilding oriented but most of the people on this board are a lot closer to the fitness look than that of bodybuilding.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregdoucette
They have screwed over many of my friends in the industry. Bounce cheques to me and are overall just a crooked organisation. NOt paying photographers and magazine contributors things like that.
Are the backsteet boys going to perform?
nawww...that's another federationQuote:
Originally Posted by Ritch
Ditto!!Quote:
Originally Posted by gregdoucette
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Guys what organization do you recommend for someone going to start competing naturally?
I was thinking mostly FCPAQ natural provincials and then the Canadian Natural Nationals (CBBF) if I qualify.
Is that the only route? What about the IDFA and neutron?
go with the IFBB and do the natural comps there if u really want to see who is the best.
I trained a friend for an IDFA show and it was run very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Gregoire
Thanks for the feedback guys.
depends what you want to take from it. Since you're near ottawa, there is always a couple of neutron shows. Makes for a cheap show since you don't need to worry about travel and hotels. However, the show tends to be small and always the same people competing. So not necessarily where you want to go if you want to guage yourself against others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Gregoire
World qualifier is always in montreal now (as far as I know), so going the ifbb way, you'll always be able to go to the national event which would be fairly local. And I think for you, it might be easier since the natural provincials in quebec is usually (i could be wrong) right before the world qualifier - hence you can qualify and do the nationals in 1 diet.
For us in ontario, the natural show is in september, to qualify for a show about 7 months later. makes for 2 diets in a short time.
As for IDFA, shawn is a good guy, and I hear is running some good shows. They are getting big though, perhaps too big too fast - hard to tell. If I were you, I'd go the IFBB route, and do an IDFA show in the mix if it falls within a week or 2 of the other show, 2 birds with 1 stone so to speak,
Thanks Steve!Quote:
Originally Posted by steve_d
Like Ritch said "Don`t forget when you point, you have 3 fingers pointing back at you... "
So FYI; Greg Doucette was BANNED from competing with the FAME World Tour because he did not meet up the DRUG TESTING requirements of their sanctioning body, the World Natural Sports Organization (WNSO).
Shame too because prior to that, Greg was doing great as a natural bodybuilder.
So take everything Greg says with a grain of salt. Do your own digging. Contact FAME directly and ask about these rumors. Remember rumors are always slanted. Don't fall prey. Just my 2 cents.
What do I recommend? FAME all the way. It's one giant family. Athletes are treated so well, and their philosophies are great. It's a lifestyle. BodyProud. It's what it's all about.
Since you brought up testing. Tell me, what are the testing procedures for the WNSO/FAME competitions? Piss test? Blood test? Hair follicle?Quote:
Originally Posted by lovetotrain
Polygraph?
natural shows are a joke
Here is the copy n paste from the actual WNSO site:
WNSO Drug Testing
The WNSO takes the responsibility of maintaining a level playing field free of performance enhancing drugs very seriously. Therefore the WNSO has a 4 layer system in place to prevent and detect the use of banned substances in WNSO competition.
Doping Control Waiver:
All athletes must sign their name to the Doping Control Waiver outlining that they follow the natural requirements of the WNSO. Legal action may be taken against anyone caught attempting to cheat the system and their fellow athletes.
Physique Screening Panel:
Athletes will be screened by the Physique Screening Panel during the first round of competition on show day. All athletes sign a waiver prior to competing and agree to be questioned and evaluated by the Physique Screening Panel. Should the panel determine the athlete does not fit the natural look or has reason to conclude the athlete is displaying results from banned substance usage, the athlete can be flagged for mandatory urine testing, or banned from competition depending on the severity of the attributes in question.
Urinalysis:
Urine testing will be required by competitors flagged by the Physique Screening Panel, and additional ones will be taken from a random sampling of competitors at each competition. The judging panel may request any competitor to submit a urine test at any point during the
competition, from registration through Finals.
Out-of-Competition Drug Testing Policy:
All competitive athletes may be subject to random urine testing at any time before or after a competition (up to 2 years since last show). Upon selection, a competitor will be given 24 hours to report to a WNSO designated local lab. Athletes not complying with a drug test request may be banned from WNSO competition.
FYI , greg passed a 100 of FAMES tests. they decided to do an out of contest test for greg during easter weekend which would have required greg driving 4 hours out of the way to get "tested" during a holiday weekend with family.
FAME ws simply pissed at greg because he kept asking them for the 1000s of $ they owed him. So take whatever "lovetotrain" says with a grain of salt. Everyone will agree with the empty promises fame gave out back then. Try contacting other athletes and photographers who were promised money and didn't get it. Why do you think they keep switching venues? because they owed money to the previous ones. and so on. Who knows. maybe they re good now, but back then they were getting too big too fast and it hurt them.
I don't care what a site says. I care what is ACTUALLY done.Quote:
Originally Posted by lovetotrain
WHICH tests are actually performed?
Not following Natenator. If you contact the wnso directly they can probably answer your questions best.
As you see from steve_d out of competition tests are done as are 100s of urine tests.
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Originally Posted by steve_d
So then, which one of these did he fail?Quote:
Originally Posted by lovetotrain
And failing to show up for a test is not the same as testing positive for a test.
I suspect most "testing" done in these types of shows are visual tests only.
I didn't say they were 100s of urine tests. In fact, the first fame show we ever did, in which greg won the overall, we were waiting and waiting to get drug tested. We were used to the standards of the cbbf, which at the time tested the top 3 in each class at the world qualifier. So, after hours and hours, and everyone gone, it looked like we weren't needing to be tested.Quote:
Originally Posted by lovetotrain
In another show, you pee'd in a little cup, and they asked you your number. how strict is that? I could have given them a female competitors number.
There was only 1 fame show I did, where they actually escorted you out to pee somewhere. So, all and all, I can never be sure how good fame tests were. Maybe they were, maybe they weren't. But I do know greg had been "randomly selected" for just about every fame show he did. Funny how even the shows he lost he would be the one they tested. Probably because he was the one guy up there that they were sure was clean seeing as how he was passing drug test after drug test in powerlifting and bodybuilding shows.
steve_d is also spreading rumors that are just that, rumors. if you want to know the truth go to the source. people who got banned for competing based on drug use, and those who did not place where they wanted, often have plenty of fingers to point. So check the source to see what you're assuming is correct is actually factual.
Yes, that is true too...Although, they weren't that great at visually testing seeing as how the worst gyno acne infested guys were still getting on stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by natenator
Fame was a good organization in its time, particularly for fitness models and exposure. It has died down considerably. Its just a bodybuilding show either way - so do it if its local, or if you have friends in it.
lol. good one steve. it seems you're digging yourself deeper. first you write 100s of tests, then you say that greg is the only one who ever gets tested. and the reason you gave, do you think it makes sense? wouldn't it be more advantageous for an organization that is so adamant against drug use to test those who they suspect.
Natonator all athletes agree to the WNSO drug testing protocols which includes out-of-competition testing which must be adhered by.
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Originally Posted by steve_d
I am not banned from Fame. And I placed quite well with Fame. Rumors can be true. I am not pointing fingers, I am just stating facts. I have nothing against Fame. They are just like every other organization. Its a place to do the sport you enjoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by lovetotrain
I don't care if Fame tests or if they don't test. It's not like a tested shows winners will always be clean. I am not in this sport to be the next ifbb pro, nor am I in it to be the best "natural pro". I've beaten guys on juice, I've lost to guys on juice. I've beaten guys who were clean, and i've got beaten by guys who are clean.
Again, for the guys just starting out, compete wherever. It won't matter in the end. If you are good enough to be an ifbb pro, than you likely won't ask "where to compete" you'll already know where, and that's with CBBF.
Re-read what I wrote. I said greg passed 100 of fame tests. It was an exageration on the fact that he was always tested by fame. I didn't say fame gave out 100 tests each show. OH, unless you count the show we did where 100 voice stress tests (that are "80%" effective - although all 100 people passed). You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out the flaw in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by lovetotrain
You would think.Quote:
Originally Posted by lovetotrain
Don't have to get the facts from others whne u can get it from the source himself. I know what really happened. no matter what rumour uv heard. No doubt some WNSO guy jsut trying to make their shamfull organisation look good. I passed every test done with them. They only randomly pick a few people to test. At my last Pro show with them I was the only one tested and passed. They then asked me to drive to Halifax on easter weekend and show up at a lab to do a Random test in case I was planning to compete at the worlds that year. I said I was not going to compete at WNSO worlds and was not going to drive the distance on my $ on easter weekend for nothing. So them they said I could not compete with them anymore after that. Funny it coincided with them bouncing a 500$ cheque to me. If u look back I won there worlds that year at 170 lbs. Funny how I jsut recently added 15 lbs of muscle now but not them hmm wonder why. Must have been bad juice back then right.
Sure wish they tested the overall winner the 2 times I lost a motorcycle to that person funny how I was tested and not them. Funny how they said it would look bad for TV if the guy winning the bike failed the test. I know all the facts so stay away from them. Ask the other top competitors why they no longer compete with them (Both male and female).
....but is FAME a good organization to compete in?
Fame = wnso
It's nice to hear your side of the story, thanks for sharing Greg.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregdoucette
Perhaps Greg's story is not all that accurate. After all he did get banned from competing.
Straight from WNSO: Physique Screening Panel officials wanted Greg Doucette retested in the off-season because he did not look clean at his last contest, despite passing the urine test. Officials were able to meet him at his gym to oversee the urine sample, since Greg had refused to drive to the closest lab to him. Greg refused on more than one occasion. Eventually Greg broke down and admitted he used stuff to prepare for his other contests, and thought they would be out of his system by FAME. He didn't realize he was breaking rules. He was.
Now of course his version is going to be whatever it is to protect himself and his integrity. Best to point fingers then admit defeat.
As you can see, WNSO and the FAME World Tour are adamant about cleaning up the stage.
If you want to compete in a natural show, compete WNSO.
just did some digging and found this interesting side-note about more positive test results and Greg: http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/node/14013
It seems you are only here to cause shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by lovetotrain
I'll tell you this, WNSO testing is JOKE. Why? Because I know PLENTY of guys who've competed in FAME/WNSO events before while being juiced up and/or were previously juiced up and passed the "screening panel" and/or urine testing.
Since you seem to have all the "inside knowledge" how come you don't address Greg's claims over cheques bouncing and not being awarded prize money for shows he won and tested clean for?
Then aren't you part of the problem. Why not 'out' those guys so that they can be caught just like Greg was. Everyone knows there are ways to get around urine and lie detectors, which is why the physique screening was developed. Doing so has cleaned up the stage immensely.
It's people like you who feel they have to protect those who are lying and cheating, who then get angry when not everyone is caught. Why is it you didn't share your knowledge direct with wnso? Don't you think that being a natural organization they would have appreciated your words.
Also, perhaps those you think passed the test, actually didn't. Maybe that's why they aren't competing anymore? Like Greg, they too have to make up reasons to finger point.
Prize money? every single person who won prize money was paid, except those who did not pass drug testing. check your sources again.
testing? what better solutions do you have? since the idea is to clean up the stage completely, i'm sure your input will be well received.
I could careless about a clean stage. What I care about is a fair stage and that's why I choose to compete in the OPA/CBBF route because it's a fair stage where everyone knows what the score is. Some are clean, some are not but at least every single person going in knows what the deal is. The same cannot be said about 'natural' shows.Quote:
Originally Posted by lovetotrain
Natural shows are a joke. The testing is a joke. People who are clean can often fail the visual screening while people who are or were once gassed up can pass the visual screening.
It's not my job to oust someone for doing something I perceive as wrong. Their own moral compass should dictate that.
I personally know someone who passed a visual test, passed a urine test and won the OA at a MuscleMania show for whom he had to fight tooth and nail to get the motorcycle that he had won because organizers felt he was not natural despite having passed their tests.
For the record and in the interest of full disclosure, he was natural for that show and for about 5 years prior to that show but was not natural prior to those 5 years but regardless he passed their testing requirements, won the show and he STILL had trouble getting the damn bike from them. How's that being a credible organization?
I still contend you're here just to cause shit and if so take a ****ing hike. We got enough people here that do that very well on their own - me included lol
well said nate.Quote:
Originally Posted by natenator
i know a guy who is getting ready to compete in one of these "natural shows" as this is all he competes in, and the guy does more gear and shit than anyone i know.
its not up to us to turn on eachother, this is a brotherhood. but what does need to happen is these so called "naturals" all need to be tested as soon as they walk in the door of a comp. or get rid of testing and leave it to the best man to take it.
lovetotrain the more you post the less I want to compete in fame. Even if what you are saying is true, the way you represent the organization is unprofessional.
I will go the FCPAQ / CBBF route also as a natural, I don't care if I lose I love the sport and if I can present a better physique each show, I have won!
natonator that was not the intention at all. I just saw the promotion for fame and saw what people were saying was not fair.
For those who don't care about competing against other natural athletes, i'm cool with that.
For those who do want to compete in a natural environment, then i recommend FAME.
we're all in this for the love of the sport and i wish us all good luck on our pathways.
stay true to you.