Just tried this last night - slept like a baby for about 10 hours lol! I dont think I even moved.
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Just tried this last night - slept like a baby for about 10 hours lol! I dont think I even moved.
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I've personally been using gaba for a while, it seems to help promote fat loss for me... i like it alot.... do you notice that your short of breath after taking it, sometimes ur hands and feet will feel tingly???
I havent gotten either of those symptoms. But ive only taken it once, and I think it was a little under 5 grams at that
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Did you take it specifically for its amino acid properties or is it marketed as a sleep enhancer? Can you get it at drug stores or Sports nutrition places?
I personally have issues sleeping, surprised i never heard of it.
I believe an internet search will show you where to buy it. I got it for sleep and its potential for fat loss.
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Do you have the bottle that comes with a high dose of B6? If so, it's the B6.Quote:
Originally Posted by DRAPE09
hey buddy google KAVA KAVA!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by nii
it helps me sleep like a babby!!!!! makes me feel GREAT ALSO!!!
i get min from konakavafarm.com
get the 84% extract thow. the raw root its f-ing NASTY!! lol
*not IT IS NOT liver toxic!
* IT IS legal to order into canada just NOT TO SELL out of store in canada.
I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by nisser
HOLY CRAP!!! 5g!!!?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drummer
man i only use 100-300mg (under half a gram) ir works fine i have it with my ZMA.
thow i also somtimes take kava kava at night.
5g is a lot.. 3g and I breath like a whore with asthma.
I have just plain gaba with no b6 and get the sides you talk of. So I can`t agree with the b6 argument. Some say b6 will give you vivid dreams however.Quote:
Originally Posted by nisser
I already have crazy vivid dreams that I can become aware that I am dreaming within - feel things and recall so well that I could write a book in the morning - hey - that gives me an idea lol! Anyway, 5 grams seems to be alright as far as I know when looking around at what people have been using. Ritch, what do you use Gaba for and what does it do for you? I have no breathing or tingling, just a wonderful relaxation that washes over me before I sleep.
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Scratch that. I just started getting the mad pricklies from my last dose of GABA. I feel kinda weird too lol and im getting tired and kinda goofy-smiley
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Here is a study of GABA using 5 grams on people. It claims to raise HGH by 5x.
http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/su...on-effects.htm
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Im ordering some soon maybe today. I will try out 0.5g first and work my way to 1g.
I onlt took it with my zma but ima buy some bulk powder of GABA, shit ima grab beta-alanine also since i havent used it yet.
On trenE, sleep ok with kava and zma but Im intersted in higher dose of GABA. also my GF seems to have stress related sleeping issues maybe I can get it to help her also.
LOL, these GABA threads are allways popular.. hehe
GABA Rocks! (I buy it from [supplementscanada.com/) the NOW
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GF and I use it every night. We take about 1G each about 30-60 min prior to sleeping.
kro!
i've had a lot of experience with gaba agonists like benzos\alcohol etc and studied the mechanism more than your average joe. I would wager that anything that is boosting gaba levels will overtime build withdrawal effects when you stop using it, so I would be wary of insomnia returning with a vengeance if you ever ran out or decided to stop.
I would agree that this should work great as a sleep aid, but I have no idea where how this would enhance GH levels by any appreciable means. Sounds like marketing spin to sell it to the bodybuilding community. Can anyone comment on the validity of this? I'd love to be wrong. I have a feeling its just the typical action of a proper nights sleep on hormone levels.
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Originally Posted by jamex
yes maybe, but this is not booz or a drug that raise gaba it IS GABA it SELF your taking.
not a drug or benzos or what ever.
Im not too sure about your view because of this.
there are meany studies about GABA and hgh.
its not gonna be like taking high dose shots of hgh but the rise IS there.
just google it there are a BUNCH of studys.
no doubt there are studies for all sorts of products that don't offer very tangible real world results. Again, let me be clear, I cannot off much evidence either way, but I'm inclined to think the HGH benefits are mostly marketing spin. I would love to hear people's actual experience with it and if they attributed a change in growth rate or any other comments even if they're anecdotal.
As for GABA mechanism. If you're consuming it and its crossing the blood brain barrier to elevate gaba levels in the brain (if this isn't how it works then you can dismiss my theories), then yes I personally believe there will be some withdrawal presenting itself as insomnia if only mildly and short lasting. GABA receptors will downregulate trying to return to homeostasis in the presence of elevated GABA levels. When GABA levels return to unsupplemented levels, the lower availability of receptors will take some time to return to normal resulting in some withdrawal.
Who knows, I could be way off base here. Just food for thought.
gaba will not cross the BBB. Its why supplement like Phenibut are on the market.
or there is the injection tyric-6 "aka P-GH"
was a huge rage back in 2000 ish, it works... But not to inrease GH. Just like gaba. Sleep/relaxation. That is about it.
my personal experience with GABA.. take 5-10g before bed.. tingly skin within minutes... breathe harder/shortness of breath.. sleep within 30 minutes.. verfy restful sleep (REM)/ wicked dreams... sleep for 5hrs and feel like i have had 8... slightly tighter/leaner look in the morn... i like it
Just jumped back on this stuff and man I love it...quality of sleep has improved dramatically. I'm a pretty light sleeper and wake up multiple times/night and this stuff helps me to sleep pretty much straight through and deep!
Sometimes if I take too much I get the tingles and shortness of breath as well...but that tends to happen above 5 grams for me.
I'm getting some tomorrow, i hope. Even if there is a withdrawal i don't really care. On a good night right now i get 4 hrs of sleep so if GABA can give 4 good nights of sleep and 3 shitty nights, i'm way ahead of the game... I just hope the local health store carries it.
I ordered some too.. should be here tomorrow cant wait to try it!
WTF, 5-10 gram doses? I take 1 gram of NOW gaba and 10-15 min later it feels like someone's standing on my chest, my arms feel somewhere between tingly and numb, and it's an effort to lift my arms. I don't know if various brands have different concentrations of active ingredient or if its just different people's tolerance, but I'd suggest starting at a low dose and see what happens. 10 grams, I'm pretty sure I'd be in a coma.
^^^ Like you said, it`s about tolerance. At first 2 grams would give me the tingles and shortness of breath... Now I can use 5 grams and I don`t get those sides as much but do sleep better. But nowhere near the benefits of saying 5 hours sleep feels like 8...
Ritch, you started at 2 grams and worked up to 5 grams. Is this because you had to keep upping the dose to continue to get the same sleep benefits, or were you just raising the dose trying to get a GH effect?
Just wondering if the sleep aid effect is going to decrease over time and I'm going to need to up my dose. If so, should Gaba be cycled with a taper on and off to help prevent adaptation?
I kept upping the dose to get the "messed up feeling it gives you..." The sleep effect does wear off over time, and I think the tingling feeling is related to the sleep benefit as the tingles wear off in a linear way to the sleep benefits... But I haven`t read anything that leads me to belive that the GH effect diminishes. I won`t go over 5 grams because I just want my supply to last a long time.
Like you said, the cycling of it if you`re looking for the sleep benefit would be best. For that, I`ve found using it 3 days a week will make it work that way. On the days you don`t use it to sleep there are other supps to knock you out like velvet extract, 5htp and st John`s wort. But 5htp may not be for you as it plays with serotonin levels, but for me it`s good as going to long without it puts me in a grouchy mood.
Damn, i did not know that :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Ritch
That`s just for me, may not be that way for you. I mean I can`t vouch for it really giving me an ultra deep sleep, but my sleep is good. I just like that feeling of sensing that I`m gonna pass out if gives you while you lie in your bed and that feeling tends to go away fast and when I had that feeling I did notice my sleep and dreams were deeper than usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by faller
Thanks for the tips Ritch. I'm liking the Gaba + melatonin right now, I hope it keeps working, but I might have to look at only running 3-4 days/week like you suggest. I tried a bottle of 5-htp (100mg night) along with melatonin and it didn't really do much for me.
I take 3g ever night. It has improved my sleep immensely.
took 3g's 30 mins ago, feel some tingling we'll see how this sleep goes!
^^ dude let me know how it goes. i dont ever sleep. its torture
**** too much caffeine, took another 2G now im off to bed..
Melatonin dosen`t work for me either. But 5htp does work well with st John`s wort. But be aware these are both mild anti depresants and need to be cycled one way or another. And I`ve taken both of them with gaba. Good sleep for sure. One thing you want to make sure of is having an empty stomach when using gaba.Quote:
Originally Posted by fourarms
Valerian root is something else that knocks me out. I swear when I take that stuff, I really, really feel the sleep I`m gonna get when I lie down is going to be good. Valerian root feel like morphine to me, no joke. A warning about those valerian root pills. They smell like actual freshly laid poo.
Its day 4 of 4gr. of Gaba and 3 caps of ZMA and i'm definitely get better sleep. I'm getting maybe an extra hour of sleep, so instead of 4/5 hr. i'm getting now 5/6 hr.. Doesn't seem like much but the sleep i do get is a lot deeper.
I tried it a couple nights, I didnt find any difference in sleep. And I didnt find any tingling at all. Although my breaths became very deep and slow.
My wife says i have a much more "relaxed" sleep. I used to breath erratically while sleeping, now she says i have even, shallow breathing. I'm sold on this stuff... Now i just have to find a source that doesn't require takeing 9 caps!