Smoking ??

[LIVEHARD]

can smoking affect muscular growth ??

can it affect a cycle have a negitive affect ??

I smoke not cig's but cigars 2-3 a day

Yes the big Arnold predator MO fo"s

I understand the cardio aspect but how bout the cellular one ??

[Mr Ontario]

There is a thousand and one different reasons why not to smoke, so I'm sure if it causes cancer then it affects muscular growth to some extent :)

[Tiamat]

Lack of oxygen to the muscles will hinder muscle gains.

[LIVEHARD]

I havent smoked in two day feel like shit

but I'm hanging in

Fun wow 800mg of T and no smokes

[L3]

i smoke a fair amount of mj and i am growing

personally i find it ridiculous ppl who work out and drink alcohol but w/e

pick your poison

[LIVEHARD]

i smoke a fair amount of mj and i am growing

personally i find it ridiculous ppl who work out and drink alcohol but w/e

pick your poison

HIppy hey dosent **** with your o2 leveles as much

plus it make you eat like a F'k

[BritishColumbian]

Smoking makes you stink, the way I have been feeling lately if I smell some one who has been smoking I want to vomit.

[Ritch]

There is a thousand and one different reasons why not to smoke, so I'm sure if it causes cancer then it affects muscular growth to some extent :)

That makes sense.

[Mr Ontario]

Are you sure your not pregnant then? :)


Smoking makes you stink, the way I have been feeling lately if I smell some one who has been smoking I want to vomit.

[Scaffer]

weed can slow the release of growth hormone if im not mistaking.

[gustavo77]

weed can slow the release of growth hormone if im not mistaking.

Well that's an easy fix....just take some GH...lol... j/k of course, i do not condone the use of illegal drugs...only: :ji

[canadianmuscle0803]

Lack of oxygen to the muscles will hinder muscle gains.

yup.. sadly i started smoking again :(

[deleteduser0002]

There is a thousand and one different reasons why not to smoke, so I'm sure if it causes cancer then it affects muscular growth to some extent :)

Exactly. It probably doesn't have an effect on muscle growth in the short term, I've known some pretty big guys that smoke..(although it certainly does effect endurance). But there's nothing more catabolic than dieing of lung cancer.....that just in case you didn't know has a five year survival rate of less than 15%...;)

[L3]

lets go ahead and get off the cancer bandwagon now

if youre going to develop it, theres no way around it

smoker or not

blame your genes

[deleteduser0002]

lets go ahead and get off the cancer bandwagon now

if youre going to develop it, theres no way around it

smoker or not

blame your genes

Dude, while whether or not someone smokes or is ENTIRELY their own business and completely their own choice, thats an incredibly misinformed statement. Smoking is the single leading cause of preventable cancer deaths in North America. 87% of all lung cancer deaths are the result of smoking. Life style factors are directly attributed to at least 30% of ALL cancers.

[grader]

agreed.. i was done my workout and headed into the locker room when some smoker had left his jacket hanging up.. i gagged on the smell.. as an ex smoker i cant stand the smell it makes me sick to my stomach i wanted to toss the jacket in the showers.


Smoking makes you stink, the way I have been feeling lately if I smell some one who has been smoking I want to vomit.

[BritishColumbian]

Fact: Smoking weed promotes the production of estrogen in males.

[LIVEHARD]

Well a least i dont smoke the two packs a day any more.

Belive i started that after 20 F'king years while i was in the hospital

But i just finished chest folled by cardio and a big robusto cigar

F'k the cost way to much 3 cigars a day is 60+ F'king dollers

i love cigars but 1500-1800 a month has to end I could but i condo for that

or be on large doses of hgh forever

[gustavo77]

Fact: Smoking weed promotes the production of estrogen in males.

Again....easy cure to that: Aromasin....hahaha....j/k of course. And again let me literate that i in no way endorse the use of illegal drugs, only....:ji

[LIVEHARD]

Again....easy cure to that: Aromasin....hahaha....j/k of course. And again let me literate that i in no way endorse the use of illegal drugs, only....:ji

dr gus with all the cures

Its hard to smoke aromasin ??? i think

[gustavo77]

dr gus with all the cures

Its hard to smoke aromasin ??? i think

Only a pothead would try and smoke aromasin.....hahaha..

[LIVEHARD]

I had my day in rec land and a relapse a year ago after 16 clean not even a cig

I never like the MJ too slow and stupid for me !!

when I partied lets just say it was AAS I was using a night out would have been 50ml tren 50 ml test 100 dbol 50 A bombs.

All my gear would have been vodka based not silly EO oil I hit her hard avrage night out was 1000 $ ++

Is nice to be clean. Been dead once nice to be back healthy training

I have to speak to the youths about addiction in the DT (bin) tonight

doing my part i just want to quit the smoking !!!!!! FFF'KKKKKKK

[Ritch]

Fact: Smoking weed promotes the production of estrogen in males.

I`ve heard that many times, but can`t say it did for me. I smoked a quarter ounce every 5 days or so for 8 years and that estrogen symptomes never occured. On t-nation proffesor X can argue my point much better than me. He even sourced research showing it`s not true about the estrogen myth.

But man do I miss smoking. It`s great to burn one down after training. I`ve stopped for just about over a year now and am the same procrastinator I always was! I used to blame the weed, lol...

[L3]

I'd like to hear your reasoning as to why you think someone who drinks shouldn't workout though? Because I like having my weekend beers... and I workout. Should I stop working out?:wtf:beer


alcohol:
dehydrates you
raises catabolic hormones
affects how estrogen is secreted & broken down
theoretically inhibits food breakdown in the stomach (ever get wasted after dinner only to wake up in the morning and start throwing up chunks of undigested chicken/bread/etc)

personally im a violent drunk so quitting was in my best interest

like i said,
pick your poison

[L3]

Thats assuming you go out and are a liqour pig, trying to get smashed until you puke. I can sit down and drink some beer and am fine. What you talk about is binge drinking.

its all relative

3 beers giving you that "feel good" vibe would floor my little 95 lb friend

i'm glad you are fine tho :D

[BritishColumbian]

I`ve heard that many times, but can`t say it did for me. I smoked a quarter ounce every 5 days or so for 8 years and that estrogen symptomes never occured. On t-nation proffesor X can argue my point much better than me. He even sourced research showing it`s not true about the estrogen myth.

But man do I miss smoking. It`s great to burn one down after training. I`ve stopped for just about over a year now and am the same procrastinator I always was! I used to blame the weed, lol...

I have absolutely no evedence whatsoever to back up my 'fact'. I was just going for a reaction from a pot head and yours didnt really do it for me, *sigh*

[Ritch]

^^^ Well if weed increased estrogen there would be real life anecdotal evidence by looking at pot smokers and seeing actual bitch tits. There isn`t. So if it does increase estrogen, it`s not to any significant amounts. I`ve known lot`s of guys who are into bodybuilding and smoke every day, every 3 hours and never had any symptoms. Nothing to worry about here! I`d worry about the lack of motivation and decreased ability to retain information from smoking rather than so said increased estrogen levels.

[HeavyD]

well here is a recovering pot head.... and i used to love hitting the bong before the gym..

the best mind-muscle conection....and insane pumps like no other......

[BritishColumbian]

Agree with both Ritch and HD.

Smoking jane has been only a positive experience for me. I used to do everything high. It didn't cause lack of motivation for me, that's 100% in your head. If you think getting high will make you lazy, it will. If you use it as a motivator, and take the opposite approach, you'll end up more or less guilting yourself into lots of things. Like, cleaning your house. haha

Agreed, I quit about 10 years ago and have tried it again a few times in the past few years, it scares the hell outta me, clean house like an obbsessed freak and my brain goes into overdrive! ~not 4 Me~

[Ongeau]

Can't say I agree with smoking but I did take up cigars again after 8 months of quitting, **** it I say!!!
the major affect that I find is it surpresses my appetite and consequently muscle growth, before quitting I was really lean but that was only because of lack of food intake.

smoking Jane makes me crazy, so I don't do it anymore, it's been 10 years since I touched the shit. I did train on it but I found my heart rate got to insane and I got crazy pararnoid afterward.

[L3]

ppl actually do chores when they're not high???

REEEdiculous

[Ritch]

Some funny replies here! With weed if I`m sitting down while I smoke it, I will remain that way and playing video games is very appealing... One thing I tried and didnt`make a habit of it, is smoking before training. I know some guys that do it eveytime, but not for me! Especially on leg day... One thing for sure I never, ever got the urge to do cleaning, lol BC, that stuff must have been laced with some funny stuff to get you off your ass cleaning bro! Other than training, like GEO, I did everything high.

[LIVEHARD]

I hated the Mary J
I ordered a pizza once FORGOT I ordered it

Called another company ordered another pizza

while I was eating the first one the second showed up

tripped me right the F'k out

worst part I ate them both !!!!!!!!

PS how the F'k did this end up a thread about WEED ??

Ok carry on !!!!!!!

[LIVEHARD]

Agreed, I quit about 10 years ago and have tried it again a few times in the past few years, it scares the hell outta me, clean house like an obsessed freak and my brain goes into overdrive! ~not 4 Me~

I will buy you some Mary J and fly you to TO if you'll clean my house

Maybe Iron will will lend you that French maid outfit ????

[tex]

I just smoked a huge gagger........I smoke daily.....like legaliz3 I cannot handle booze....im a real asshole...must be the little bit of hoctaw indian in me......weed makes me happy and hungry and horny and thats what i'm all about......

[tex]

hell yes.

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[Ritch]

I hated the Mary J
I ordered a pizza once FORGOT I ordered it

Called another company ordered another pizza

while I was eating the first one the second showed up

tripped me right the F'k out

worst part I ate them both !!!!!!!!

PS how the F'k did this end up a thread about WEED ??

Ok carry on !!!!!!!

That`s hilarious! Weed never affected me on that level, never even got the muchies after the first few months.

[gustavo77]

Dam there are a lot of potheads here.....you'd think we are living in Canada or something...lol...

[LIVEHARD]

Its been over 24 hour without nicotine and it's F'kin EVIL

[LIVEHARD]

Yes 24 hours and I still have friends and a job


need some support with this one F'k me !!!!

[the-vanilla-gorilla]

i hate weed shit makes me paranoid as **** now!!!



and as far as smoking i was down to about 1 a day for the last couple months
and today is day 2 without!!!
already feel better!
eat more
feel more daily strength




i have one friend you cant even talk to him lest he smokes a spliff
to get his head right!






TVG

[LIVEHARD]

My day is so off without my am cigar

My head is offside today.

Day 1 My lady said my cloths didn't smell like cigars today


Thats a good thing I guess ???

[Ritch]

My day is so off without my am cigar

My head is offside today.

Day 1 My lady said my cloths didn't smell like cigars today


Thats a good thing I guess ???

That`s great! Keep it up, I`m sure your lady appreciates what your doing as well.

[LIVEHARD]

Thanks as I pull my F'kin hair out

[Ritch]

I hear ya Livehard. I quit smoking weed aout a year ago. Last night I dreamed I was rolling a joint. I`m struggling as well. For a long time when I`d go to bed without it, I`d wake up in sweats. During Christmas I always hated visiting my parents for this one reason. I didn`t want to risk bringing weed on the plane and it stressed me out knowing I wouldn`t be smoking. I would go to sleep be on one side of the bed knowing I`d wake up in sweats. Then I`d go back to sleep on the other side. I`d wake up again, and had to sleep on the floor because my bed was soaked.

I just hoped my mom or dad wouldn`t open the door to wake me up in the morning and ask me why I was sleeping on the floor. I`m a piss poor liar. Anyway, I didn`t quit because I was against smoking weed, I quit because I was tired of being dependant on something. The resaon of being dependant seems to have faded in my mind recently as a reason not to start, and is why I`m struggling of late. A true addict will always find ways or reasons to justify it`s actions. It`s tough bro.

All the best in this episode, hope you pull through.

[LIVEHARD]

Are you sure your not pregnant then? :)

No way bro your balls would be empty !!! :ne

Day 2 one more day after day 3 its gets better F'k

[LIVEHARD]

Smoking makes you stink, the way I have been feeling lately if I smell some one who has been smoking I want to vomit.

Ya Ya PUSSY make you stink too but we all run for that !!!!!!!!

[cog]

HOW'S THE QUITTING THING GOING LIVEHARD?STILL HAVE THE URGE TO SUCK ON THOSE BIG FAT CIGARS?

[LIVEHARD]

HOW'S THE QUITTING THING GOING LIVEHARD?STILL HAVE THE URGE TO SUCK ON THOSE BIG FAT CIGARS?

Fk ya I love the CHURCHHILLS

I beat the cigs the booze the blow the H and the pills (oxi's)

but the GARS F'K me

Still trying had one Tonight after a 21OZ porter house

[HeavyD]

I hear ya Livehard. I quit smoking weed aout a year ago. Last night I dreamed I was rolling a joint. I`m struggling as well. For a long time when I`d go to bed without it, I`d wake up in sweats. During Christmas I always hated visiting my parents for this one reason. I didn`t want to risk bringing weed on the plane and it stressed me out knowing I wouldn`t be smoking. I would go to sleep be on one side of the bed knowing I`d wake up in sweats. Then I`d go back to sleep on the other side. I`d wake up again, and had to sleep on the floor because my bed was soaked.

I just hoped my mom or dad wouldn`t open the door to wake me up in the morning and ask me why I was sleeping on the floor. I`m a piss poor liar. Anyway, I didn`t quit because I was against smoking weed, I quit because I was tired of being dependant on something. The resaon of being dependant seems to have faded in my mind recently as a reason not to start, and is why I`m struggling of late. A true addict will always find ways or reasons to justify it`s actions. It`s tough bro.

All the best in this episode, hope you pull through.


**** yeah on the addictions... i fell off the wagon... and starting over again
an addict will always be an addict... but hopefully i can let it go

[Ritch]

**** yeah on the addictions... i fell off the wagon... and starting over again
an addict will always be an addict... but hopefully i can let it go

If you or anybody else here is going through rough patches, feel free to pm me anytime.

[the-vanilla-gorilla]

If you or anybody else here is going through rough patches, feel free to pm me anytime.

so he can take advantage of you while you weak and down!!!


TVG (clenches his cheeks!)





been through addiction and will always remember what i went through and use this to stay away

from time to time bad thoughts occur and temptation comes knocking but lucky as i am i have a solid group for support!






TVG

[LIVEHARD]

so he can take advantage of you while you weak and down!!!


TVG (clenches his cheeks!)





been through addiction and will always remember what i went through and use this to stay away

from time to time bad thoughts occur and temptation comes knocking but lucky as i am i have a solid group for support!






TVG

smoking is evil at work when work is stressful

Its been stressed to the max daily lately F'k me

[Born2Juice4Ever]

If you or anybody else here is going through rough patches, feel free to pm me anytime.



Hey Rich, can I PM you too:bday Or is this offer valid with "rough patches" only :D :D



I am not a smoker, in fact I don't even date or won't date women that smoke---yeah call me crazy hu>?


The only time I EVA smoke a cigarrette or two....or.....is when I drink a lot.
If I am out for a crazy night, and I am up until 10 AM the next day:greet I could go through a half a pack without problems hahahahhaha



B2J