View Full Version : What's with HCG!
jacked_to_the_nine
09-08-2009, 05:41 PM
k i'm trying to get a cycle streight and i've been on and off alot of msg boards and i've had some decent help except for one thing! HCG! why is this product so loosly used, it seems like there is no formal procedure on how to use it, is this because it all depends on the cycle you were on? basically, i've read that some use it while on and then off and then some go 1500iu 2xW and others 500iu 3xW... so whats with that, and how is HCG used and what do feel from it?! here's an idea of a mild cycle i want to do, its mainly for sports not BB!
wk 1-4 test prop 300ml EOD
wk 4-12 test E 300mls EW
wk 1-12 EQ 400mls (front load for 2 weeks at 600mls)
wk 1-14 proviron
wk 6-13 winni 50ml EOD (extra week after test)
wk 12-14 aromasin/nolva pct (won't use clomid cause i don't wanna cry myself to sleep every night!)
wk 12-14 HCG 1500iu 3x week?
thanks!
JonnyO
09-08-2009, 05:53 PM
Looks pretty good to me. For the Aromasin and Nolva I'd go with one or the other. There really is no way set in stone, but I think 1500iu 3x a week should be good enough.
BritishColumbian
09-08-2009, 05:53 PM
Welcome to the CBB forum!
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canadianmuscle0803
09-08-2009, 05:53 PM
first off, welcome to the board..
HCG is used during and post your cycles to trick your balls into thinking they are working so to speak.. im just putting this in a common term.. you never want to shoot more then 1,000mg in one shot, more is not better it actually causes the opposite effect if more is used.. i personally use 500iu every other day during my cycles.. that way when i come off i dont crash so hard and this way my boys are always working even during my cycles.. ask Gustavo about this, he knows more then me..
canadianmuscle0803
09-08-2009, 05:55 PM
lol i think his cycle is a mis print..
JonnyO- i think 1,500mg of HCG per poke is too much, i might be mistaken?
jacked_to_the_nine
09-08-2009, 07:28 PM
aaaaaahahaha British! ya i thought that doing a propianate ester would just kick things into gear ya know, then switch to a longer ester to finish with, i meant 150ml of test prop... and Canadianmuscle, fisrt of all, just understand that if thats you in that pic then i'm literaly half the size of you guys, like i'm 5'9" 180lbs at 8%, and i'm a martial artist, so my needs might be diffrent, and i wish i was a BB but i'm too into MMA now and thats important to me, yet BB is and always will be my favorite sport! and are you talking about the "gustavo"! cuz he guest posed in my town and then after the show he slipped and fell down the freakin stairs, i think he actualy hurt him self too, lol! nothing a little HGH can't clear up! so i can do the HCG throughout my cycle, EOD, is it painfull, and like is there instructions on useing it anywhere? hey johnny O, what do you think i'll get from this cycle... i've never used test before, do you think its too much for MMA, someone told me else where that just test prop on its own was gtg own its own like 150ml EOD.
If you want to make it kick in faster, you have to still run your test-e from week 1, otherwise your prop will stop working before your test-e kicks in around week 7-8
Edit: and your Eq ester is way longer than the test-e, so you may want to stop it 2 weeks before you stop the test-e. that would make it 1-10, and as far as I've read, Eq for only 10 weeks only give so much results
for heavy cycles 2000iu eod for 2 weeks is what is recommended. this info about 1000iu's and above being bad is bro-lore imo. Perhaps our resident guru Praetorian will chime in......
BritishColumbian
09-08-2009, 08:20 PM
week 1-4 150mg eod test prop
week 1-18 600mg/every 3.5 days test e
week 1-18 500mg/every 3.5 days Eq
Plus whatever your going to do with your HCG
Thats what I would do^^^ then on week 19 start the nolva
You can take is many ways,in the new Anabolic 2009,they change the Protocol..
If you take over 1 gram a week you will need 5000 iu per shot,for 3 shots only,or you can take 500mcg ed for 10 days straight..With a high dose you might feel the shift(crash) after you get off of if like canadianmuscle said,but with low dose you don't,just all the shot every day that is why i don't like the 500iu shot ed.I personally like 1500-2500mg shot every 3-5 day,for 2-3 weeks only,just so many different ways to take the stuff.Better with less than more,but the way the study's are coming along looks like they give higher Dose and stay on for longer peroids of time.
My friend couldn't get his Wife knocked up,so a doctor in Toronto made him take 5000iu eod for 2 months straight,and the Pharm grade isn't cheap from a Pharmacy.
jacked_to_the_nine
09-08-2009, 11:52 PM
hahaha so how many babies did your buddy end up having after that!!! anyway, k i understand now that HCG is still being toggled with in regards to useing it for AAS... i think i will run the EQ and test longer then 10wks, i can get the equi/test from SAL and it has 250ml test-e and 200ml EQ combo, but i will add the extra shot of EQ 300ml EW with that combo for 12 weeks... i don't think i'm ready for a 16 weeker yet! and i won't run the test too high either just the 250ml from the equi/test, run proviron to free as much test as possible, and i'm not gonna complicate things with the test prop, just keep it simple with the test-e... kick start with some var maybe? anyway, i'm pretty much gtg! and ********t var is gtg, i got pics up!
hahaha so how many babies did your buddy end up having after that!!! anyway, k i understand now that HCG is still being toggled with in regards to useing it for AAS... i think i will run the EQ and test longer then 10wks, i can get the equi/test from SAL and it has 250ml test-e and 200ml EQ combo, but i will add the extra shot of EQ 300ml EW with that combo for 12 weeks... i don't think i'm ready for a 16 weeker yet! and i won't run the test too high either just the 250ml from the equi/test, run proviron to free as much test as possible, and i'm not gonna complicate things with the test prop, just keep it simple with the test-e... kick start with some var maybe? anyway, i'm pretty much gtg! and ********t var is gtg, i got pics up!
That was his 3rd child,he had a hard time after all the Tren he did.
canadianmuscle0803
10-08-2009, 01:49 PM
after my long use of tren and high dose of test, my body was shut down for about 6 months.. i got sick of feeling like shit and went back on test.. but i might want kids in the near future so i think i will need to something like that guy did..
gustavo77
10-08-2009, 04:14 PM
I use HCG on cycle. Why?? Cause i do not want my nuts to shut down... ever....shutting down for 12+ weeks and then trying to kick start the cells of testes into action just does not sound right to me...and it can make recover much, much harder.... It is definitely worth the time/hassle and money to use HCG on cycle IMHO.
On cycle, smaller doses are effective, 250-500iu every 3rd day or simply twice per week will suffice. Notice that it is dosed every 3-4 days, not eod or ed. This is because HCG causes peak out put of the testes in 72hrs...taking shots any sooner can overstimulate the leydig cells...in addition the leydig cells of the testes prefer a "pulse" type stimulation rather than a constant...by running HCG every 3-4 days you are virtually mimicking the way the pituitary secretes LH...in a pulse like fashion.
gustavo77
10-08-2009, 04:16 PM
after my long use of tren and high dose of test, my body was shut down for about 6 months.. i got sick of feeling like shit and went back on test.. but i might want kids in the near future so i think i will need to something like that guy did..
You were so shut down cause your nuts had not been working for a long, long time...IMO, whenever you are any AAS, even an HRT dose, you should be using HCG....
canadianmuscle0803
10-08-2009, 04:20 PM
^ i agree.. i was using HCG during my cycle but not from start to finish.. now i use it with all my cycles...
jacked_to_the_nine
10-08-2009, 07:09 PM
I use HCG on cycle. Why?? Cause i do not want my nuts to shut down... ever....shutting down for 12+ weeks and then trying to kick start the cells of testes into action just does not sound right to me...and it can make recover much, much harder.... It is definitely worth the time/hassle and money to use HCG on cycle IMHO.
On cycle, smaller doses are effective, 250-500iu every 3rd day or simply twice per week will suffice. Notice that it is dosed every 3-4 days, not eod or ed. This is because HCG causes peak out put of the testes in 72hrs...taking shots any sooner can overstimulate the leydig cells...in addition the leydig cells of the testes prefer a "pulse" type stimulation rather than a constant...by running HCG every 3-4 days you are virtually mimicking the way the pituitary secretes LH...in a pulse like fashion.
every 3-4 days, thats a good bit of info... however, if you start useing long ester like test-E and EQ, will it be o.k. to start HCG 4 weeks in, or does your hpta shut down with the first dose? basicaly how long before your nut stop working after your first injection?
gsxr750
10-08-2009, 07:17 PM
350iu 3x a week. Doctor prescribed while on Test. Works great. Balls still there for Mr. O to lick.
hcg peaks between 48-72 hours......
gustavo77
11-08-2009, 05:29 PM
every 3-4 days, thats a good bit of info... however, if you start useing long ester like test-E and EQ, will it be o.k. to start HCG 4 weeks in, or does your hpta shut down with the first dose? basicaly how long before your nut stop working after your first injection?
Shut down begins from the very first shot or pill of AAS the you take....start HCG week one of your cycle right up to 4-5 days before you start pct drugs (ie. Clomid and Aromasin).
gustavo77
11-08-2009, 05:30 PM
hcg peaks between 48-72 hours......
Excuse me....lol...48-72hrs....
jacked_to_the_nine
11-08-2009, 05:40 PM
holy crap... well then i need to go back and reconfigure things... 500iu 2x a week will mimick my natural LH, and so i figure if my wallet is tight, then i can start from week 1-6-10-12-14 for a cycle that has EQ right up until wk14, or should i run HCG after the ester wears out?
I read taking anything over 500ius at once is a waste, 250-500ius twice per week is how i run it for a 4 weeks or so leading into pct.
force
11-08-2009, 07:57 PM
Gus has it right, take it while your on cycle instead of trying to play "catch up" during PCT.
My TRT protocal has me going 500IU mon,tue then my test shot on wed, when im "on" I run 250Iu sub Q mon,thur....dont really need more than that to do what you want it to do. the reason the TRT dose is higher is that is what it took to put my test levels on the extreme side of "normal" since my test shot is only 100/week. when your on we shoot alot more than that so dont need a whopping dose of hcg...just enough to keep the boys happy.
one thing to remember as far as when HCG peaks in blood levels is whether you are going IM or sub Q. if I remember correctly my endo told me IM peaks much faster. something to keep in mind when deciding your dosing protocols.
F.
jacked_to_the_nine
11-08-2009, 08:14 PM
o.k. this is making sense now... so if take my shot of 250/test-E and 500/EQ every monday, then the hcg should be taken near the end of the week when the esters are tapering down, so by fri-sun should be a minimum dose of 250-500iu of hcg! can hcg increase free test too cuz i know it dosn't have a sirect effect on freeing test... and here's a stupid question, sub-q is in the fat right, and IM is in the muscle!
force
11-08-2009, 08:51 PM
o.k. this is making sense now... so if take my shot of 250/test-E and 500/EQ every monday, then the hcg should be taken near the end of the week when the esters are tapering down, so by fri-sun should be a minimum dose of 250-500iu of hcg! can hcg increase free test too cuz i know it dosn't have a sirect effect on freeing test... and here's a stupid question, sub-q is in the fat right, and IM is in the muscle!
sub q is under the skin not into the fat! but you got the IM part right!
jacked_to_the_nine
11-08-2009, 09:12 PM
oh frig i don't know if i like Sub-Q, under the skin, so you pinch the skin and pop it in, or do mean like in the vien? you'd take longer to peak with sub-q no?... what dose it feel like?
BritishColumbian
11-08-2009, 09:18 PM
to put this simple my man!
you are not ready for the juice!
READ READ READ!!!
stick around learn lots and in time you'll know what is what! till then man go natural
this forum has lots to offer jacked to the 9's but for now stay in the light!
TVG.....
jacked_to_the_nine
11-08-2009, 09:36 PM
well there is no other way to get ready for anything other then talking to people with experience right, or if there a secret way to get ready for the juice that i don't know about other then www research and forums then i'm all ears! but i think i've already mentioned, that i've done these AAS, deca/mast/d-bol/winni/nolva/a-dex/anavar, and they rocked! my gains were little but i kept them!
Guys, stop feeding the troll
Ritch
12-08-2009, 06:18 PM
Gus has it right, take it while your on cycle instead of trying to play "catch up" during PCT.
My TRT protocal has me going 500IU mon,tue then my test shot on wed, when im "on" I run 250Iu sub Q mon,thur....dont really need more than that to do what you want it to do. the reason the TRT dose is higher is that is what it took to put my test levels on the extreme side of "normal" since my test shot is only 100/week. when your on we shoot alot more than that so dont need a whopping dose of hcg...just enough to keep the boys happy.
one thing to remember as far as when HCG peaks in blood levels is whether you are going IM or sub Q. if I remember correctly my endo told me IM peaks much faster. something to keep in mind when deciding your dosing protocols.
F.
I find your post very interesting. Why are your hcg shots done on consecutive days when on trt? So if you`re doing hcg on cycle then again during trt, do you ever go off? I`m thinking there has to be a time when you go off.
Lastly about sub q shots. I hear about not shooting in the fat. I just pinch the skin pull it away a little, then insert the pin and shoot the hcg over a minute or so after having aspirated. Don`t see how I can possibly be shooting in the fat here, but just checking...
jacked_to_the_nine
12-08-2009, 07:07 PM
Guys, stop feeding the troll
indeed i would love to headbutt you, but i will wait until i do 6 months of jinni-T to grow some extra skull before i take that chance!
force
13-08-2009, 08:48 AM
I find your post very interesting. Why are your hcg shots done on consecutive days when on trt? So if you`re doing hcg on cycle then again during trt, do you ever go off? I`m thinking there has to be a time when you go off.
Lastly about sub q shots. I hear about not shooting in the fat. I just pinch the skin pull it away a little, then insert the pin and shoot the hcg over a minute or so after having aspirated. Don`t see how I can possibly be shooting in the fat here, but just checking...
Thats how my endo wanted it, Its been so long Ive forgotten his exact reasons but it had something to do with keep blood levels up high and stable for longer.
I do come off HCG, I dont always run it while on cycle since I never come off test. Usually the last 4 weeks or so leading up to when I go back down to my TRT dose of test I will start it.. being on it while on cycle is more useful to guys who actually do PCT then come off completely.
Your sub Q technique sounds okay, just make sure you angle the pin approx 45 deg and dont go straight in. dont need to take a minute to shoot it either, just pop it in there :)
F.
Ritch
13-08-2009, 10:49 AM
^^^ I appreciate your feedback here. So you go on the hcg 4 weeks before the trt doses start, usually for how long were you off it? Would you mind outlining me your cycle phases with and without the hcg including the test dose? Don`t need the exact amount of test, could just say "non trt dose" if you prefer and when you`re on and off the hcg. This is for a very future reference... Hope you don`t mind me asking, the fact that you have someone in the medical field following you is why I would like to know. Not just based on what some "bro" told you to do...
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