confused about bridging on a blast/cruise

[deleteduser0001]

I have been reading about doing blast and cruises, normally about 8-10 weeks on with 1-2 off. The cruise part I find confusing, everything that I have read tells me that during the cruise part, a TRT dose of 150-300mg of test is part of the plan, but also HCG (which makes sense) but then also clomid and nolvadex?

Why do these plans use a SERM and run a normal PCT when the body is still shutdown from the TRT and HCG dose? What does the clomid and nolva do for you when it isnt actually going to start anything up....


any help?

[tex]

i say no to clomid and nolva while on. i'd just use hcg

[JonnyO]

The idea is to try and stimulate the HTPA in as many ways a possible, making it easier down the road when you do decide to come off. HCG, Nolva and Climid all hit it from different angles. You arent going to recover this way and it isnt designed so, just designed to "stimulate"

[deleteduser0001]

The idea is to try and stimulate the HTPA in as many ways a possible, making it easier down the road when you do decide to come off. HCG, Nolva and Climid all hit it from different angles. You arent going to recover this way and it isnt designed so, just designed to "stimulate"

do you think it is effective? I can't really wrap my mind around how useful it would be when I've always understood it to be the recovery mode AFTER suppression rather than a SERM to lead into more HTPA suppression while still being supressed.

[HeavyD]

i posted a Q on this about a week ago and started looking in to it....

the blast and cruise i was refering to is like this...

run a normal cycle 3-5 months,with hcg.... followed by 8 wks of pct with using 150-250 test a wk, with no hcg

the idea is as johnny O says is to stimulate, mildly bring back your reg levels......


THE second protocol i found is to do 6-8wks of a cycle, with short esters, followed by 2wks of HRT dose of test with HCG at a much higher dose

i personally dont see any benifit to the second...if you are only off for 2 wks there is no way to even begin recovery, before your next blast.


i also would like some more info.... preferably on the first method

[HeavyD]

do you think it is effective? I can't really wrap my mind around how useful it would be when I've always understood it to be the recovery mode AFTER suppression rather than a SERM to lead into more HTPA suppression while still being supressed.

from what i understand it is the same as running a normal cycle, followed by PCT.... the test is to help maintain as much of the gains as possible

but im no expert and thats why im here......anybody else with info on this?

[deleteduser0001]

I think of it as trying to let a knife wound heal with the knife still logged in the wound; how would clomid/nolva help stimulate a suppressed HTPA when it is actively being suppressed by the TRT dose.

to me, the first 3-5 month cycle does not make any sense, keep the boys working with HCG the whole cycle but stop during the TRT cruise? why bother doing it at all then.

any first hand experience with this would be appreciated.



i posted a Q on this about a week ago and started looking in to it....

the blast and cruise i was refering to is like this...

run a normal cycle 3-5 months,with hcg.... followed by 8 wks of pct with using 150-250 test a wk, with no hcg

the idea is as johnny O says is to stimulate, mildly bring back your reg levels......


THE second protocol i found is to do 6-8wks of a cycle, with short esters, followed by 2wks of HRT dose of test with HCG at a much higher dose

i personally dont see any benifit to the second...if you are only off for 2 wks there is no way to even begin recovery, before your next blast.


i also would like some more info.... preferably on the first method

[HeavyD]

yeah i hear you on why stop during the PCT phase....

i have asked others... and they said that it was stopped so that you did not build up a tollerence.... to give the recepor a break... and to use for the longer part of the cycle, with the higher test dose

perhaps a better pratice would be to use halfway through the cycle, and into PCT with the nolva/clomid?

[JonnyO]

From my experience with blast/cruise method...take the cruise completely off all AAS. Gains are still kept and progress when you go back on is more dramatic. I wouldnt bother with a low dose or THT dose, come off everything completely. I was blasting for 6-8 weeks then took usually 4 weeks off. You wont lose much at all in those 4 weeks.

[declan]

From my experience with blast/cruise method...take the cruise completely off all AAS. Gains are still kept and progress when you go back on is more dramatic. I wouldnt bother with a low dose or THT dose, come off everything completely. I was blasting for 6-8 weeks then took usually 4 weeks off. You wont lose much at all in those 4 weeks.

How many times could you do this though before it becomes ineffective? Is individual or there is a basic guideline for the said blast and cruise phase. Thanks JO.

[troy_trinity]

The way I do it is by watching bloodwork. I stay on and run my cycle watching my bloodwork. If everything still checks out I continue on with the cycle. Than when stuff starts to take a turn for the worse I take things down a bit... and just run test.

The proper way to do it is as heavyd suggested with the clomid/hcg/nolva during the cruise with a low dose of test. It really depends if you really ever want to come off though...

[ironwill]

I did blast cruise when trng with DC, and it buggered me up big time, I would get acne every cruise on chlomid and hcg, and nolva.....I had to quit it was to much fluctuation for me....16-20 weekers are best imo now after experiencing blast cruise for about 6 months..
good luck dude..keep us posted..

[Praetorian]

There is no such things as blast and cruise....that is complete bullshit. You are either on or off....If you cant deal with going off you shouldnt be using aas to begin with. Running a low does of anything is still ON...call it whatever you like...its still ON and you are not recovering period.
If youd like to really mess up your endocrine system...maybe for life...then balst and cruise is teh way to go!
P

[ironwill]

There is no such things as blast and cruise....that is complete bullshit. You are either on or off....If you cant deal with going off you shouldnt be using aas to begin with. Running a low does of anything is still ON...call it whatever you like...its still ON and you are not recovering period.
If youd like to really mess up your endocrine system...maybe for life...then balst and cruise is teh way to go!
P
am ore assertive way of putting my words....:plol...i agree....

[St]

There is no such things as blast and cruise....that is complete bullshit. You are either on or off....If you cant deal with going off you shouldnt be using aas to begin with. Running a low does of anything is still ON...call it whatever you like...its still ON and you are not recovering period.
If youd like to really mess up your endocrine system...maybe for life...then balst and cruise is teh way to go!
P

Yep said this a thousand times before.

[St]

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[deleteduser0001]

There is no such things as blast and cruise....that is complete bullshit. You are either on or off....If you cant deal with going off you shouldnt be using aas to begin with. Running a low does of anything is still ON...call it whatever you like...its still ON and you are not recovering period.
If youd like to really mess up your endocrine system...maybe for life...then balst and cruise is teh way to go!
P

which is what i thought in the beginning, I'm not sure why others are doing it still though.

I appreciate the response.

[tiramisu]

I think others are doing blast & cruise w/ aas where it aligns w/ their workouts. DC training for example is periodized in short 6 +/- 2 week weight progressions with 2'ish week recovery periods. Taking a break from the needle during recovery may not be pct but if you are committed to a 20 plus week cycle tapering down may be a little easier on your system. .... and then again I could be completely wrong.

[C-money]

Im in the beginning of a "blast/cruise" cycle, im hoping for great things..... only time will tell

[GYMBRAT]

There is no such things as blast and cruise....that is complete bullshit. You are either on or off....If you cant deal with going off you shouldnt be using aas to begin with. Running a low does of anything is still ON...call it whatever you like...its still ON and you are not recovering period.
If youd like to really mess up your endocrine system...maybe for life...then balst and cruise is teh way to go!
P

I agree 100%.....you can't say your off when your actually on lol, I've done the "blast and cruise" or just may as well say extra long cycle in the past as well with awesome results......I do agree with IW though in running the 20 wkers for great results!

[JonnyO]

There is no such things as blast and cruise....that is complete bullshit. You are either on or off....If you cant deal with going off you shouldnt be using aas to begin with. Running a low does of anything is still ON...call it whatever you like...its still ON and you are not recovering period.
If youd like to really mess up your endocrine system...maybe for life...then balst and cruise is teh way to go!
P


The exact reason I came off all AAS and took 2x as long cruise periods as suggested at the time.

[powerrack]

The exact reason I came off all AAS and took 2x as long cruise periods as suggested at the time.

When you came off the total long period Jonny, how did you feel? How many rotations of 8 weeks on 4 weeks cruise did you do?

[JonnyO]

When you came off the total long period Jonny, how did you feel? How many rotations of 8 weeks on 4 weeks cruise did you do?

My cruise would be always at least 6 weeks. And I would blast for 7-8 weeks, gains would slow down then and I'd start to wear out in the gym around then. One could continue doing this as long as they feel necessary to reach their goals I guess.