LEAN GAINS

[PdH]

I Don't post that often anymore but the subject of lean gains is starting to bug me. Apparently people don't want to do the work but want AAS to do it for them. Well **** you lazy mofo's, you want the results, then do the work. Gain mass (eating properly, train hard consistently, and use a test-deca or test-eq combo. Then lean down properly over time.

You want some sort of exotic combo like tren-primo-var to do the work for you? Then don't expect proper lasting gains. Have your fun over the summer, but expect the rebounds, and don't come crying when they come. Getting tired of the short-timers who want instant results with no repercussions.

[#8]

They will always be around. Easy come easy go. I hear ya though.

They talk on cell phones while they work out too.

[baza]

I'm a fan of lean gains.

[PdH]

They will always be around. Easy come easy go. I hear ya though.

They talk on cell phones while they work out too.

Particularly those cell phones that you see in movies like RockNRolla! Ha

[Dragon1911]

If its not the cell phones they are talking to their buddies or flexing in the mirror.

By the end of the workout they are lucky to have completed 3 total sets.

[PdH]

I'm a fan of lean gains.

What cycles are you speaking of?

[waderow]

i am done with the heavy cutting end of or post cycle. I am cycling for what is often referred to as "lean gains".

I will cut a few times throughout the cycle

[baza]

What cycles are you speaking of?

Any where I diet and put on lean gains :)

[PdH]

i am done with the heavy cutting end of or post cycle. I am cycling for what is often referred to as "lean gains".

I will cut a few times throughout the cycle

What does that mean exactly bro? Anyone who's been in the game for a while knows that the cycles I previously mentioned are the only ones that provide lasting gains? (prop notwithstanding of course)

[PdH]

Any where I diet and put on lean gains :)

Specificity would be good .

[kloan]

What's wrong with wanting to gain muscle but not fat? That's all lean gains are.... don't have to eat like it's your last meal 6 times a day just to get a thick layer of fat to have to burn off for the next few months in order to see results. That's what I did for a year, and it's taken a while to lose that weight, and I'm still working on it.

Some of us prefer 'lean gains' because not everyone can lose weight as easily as others.

'Lean gains' is also a slower approach, so I don't see how this is a 'quick fix' that will disappear.
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[C-money]

What's wrong with wanting to gain muscle but not fat? That's all lean gains are.... don't have to eat like it's your last meal 6 times a day just to get a thick layer of fat to have to burn off for the next few months in order to see results. That's what I did for a year, and it's taken a while to lose that weight, and I'm still working on it.

Some of us prefer 'lean gains' because not everyone can lose weight as easily as others.

'Lean gains' is also a slower approach, so I don't see how this is a 'quick fix' that will disappear.
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x2, right now im doing a recomp phase, with test e/ eq, so far its been excellent

[Rrrrolla]

ITs really got very little to do with what you take, as long as you take enough of what the fuk ever you decide to take. IMO its all about eating, training and resting properly. You are correct that it really doesnt make much sense to spend five times as much money on drugs when test alone will do the trick. If I could do it all over again I would buy some test, tren and as much fuking gh as I could afford right from day one. But I too wasted time and money on exotic drugs and didt know how to eat to save my life for years. The diet is what costs alkl the money, the drugs are fuk all compared to the food we need to eat to gain muscle. No need to get fat of course, but water comes and goes, every bodybuilder knows that.

[PdH]

I must disagree, with all due respect. In my experience over 28 years, exotic drugs only give temporary results. They only provide results that last through usage or shortly afterward. The others I have mentioned last through the years if you continue proper training protocol.

[Dragon1911]

I agree Rrrrolla my first cycle was a test dbol cycle where i didnt know fuk about eating and ate what every i could see including fast food.

I gained a good 25lbs but looked sloppy and after pct and cutting the fat out for the next 6 months i only really gained 8lbs.

Lesson leaned after a 3 month cycle and a 6 month cut i was only up 8lbs which i could have done with a diet alone in the 9 months.

[kloan]

I must disagree, with all due respect. In my experience over 28 years, exotic drugs only give temporary results. They only provide results that last through usage or shortly afterward. The others I have mentioned last through the years if you continue proper training protocol.

First I've heard that tren and var don't offer lasting results.. I've seen quite the contrary written about the two.

[Rrrrolla]

I must disagree, with all due respect. In my experience over 28 years, exotic drugs only give temporary results. They only provide results that last through usage or shortly afterward. The others I have mentioned last through the years if you continue proper training protocol.

I dont know bro, cuz on the other end of the scale, I have dieted on more test and tren than you will ever get me to admit, and I didnt gain an oz, lost several pounds actually. Would I have lost more if all I took was winny, ya probably, but probably not a WHOLE lot more. So in a calorie surplus, while trying to gain muscle, the guy that takes shitloads of winny might only put on 3 pounds of muscle in 16 weeks, and is going to look great the whole way through (even though he just sold the farm to do his cycle), whereas the test guy spent fuk all, gained 25 pounds and lost 20, completely different look during the cycle, but nearly the same end result. The real point here is that food is what matters the most, not the drugs. Some of those drugs give a real nice look while you use them and I firlmy believe most of them have an anabolic effect (even if it is a result of better workouts due to much higher strength). The real reality that I have come to learn is that all you need to get huge is food, sleep, weights, test, tren and gh, oh, and insulin baby! Food being the most significant of all these factors.

[punkrock]

Yeah definetly food, rest and proper pct seems to be the key.

I like to gain muscle without all the fat, it also helps mask the use of gym candy. Some guys blow up and it's obvious and then they take along time to take it off.

I think variety is the spice of life! Test and/or eq, and a lean gainer for me!

[Danger]

I've always thought it was weird that people label cycles as 'bulking' and 'cutting' because thats something that diet does not AAS. I mean if your going to put a ton of effort into putting together some exotic cycle, you might want to also find the time to get a figure out how to diet Correctly for your goals.

I think Rrrrolla's got it right, stick to the basics. You cant really beat good food and hard work when it comes to getting big.

[LIVEHARD]

I Don't post that often anymore but the subject of lean gains is starting to bug me. Apparently people don't want to do the work but want AAS to do it for them. Well **** you lazy mofo's, you want the results, then do the work. Gain mass (eating properly, train hard consistently, and use a test-deca or test-eq combo. Then lean down properly over time.

You want some sort of exotic combo like tren-primo-var to do the work for you? Then don't expect proper lasting gains. Have your fun over the summer, but expect the rebounds, and don't come crying when they come. Getting tired of the short-timers who want instant results with no repercussions.

Nice post I'm a Test only guy 90% of the time

I don't like the deca

I will add Eq in a summer cycle but usually 250mg EOD for me and I run 16-20 week's

I see the change in guys at the gym on tren. They come and go up down they seanm to only train when there on and the F'k moods they get in no thanks

[nitrous]

i flex in the mirror.. dont talk on my cell but do text.. and talk to others in the gym...it keeps me entertained while i workout.. so when i go its a pleasure and not something i hate doing..

but i still do a proper work out.. work out whether i am on gear or not.. and dont actually lose that much strength when i get off..

i think the problem is like you said in the last post last sentence.. its the guys that only work out when they are on.. that is just stupid as they lose almost everything when they stop working out and stop the gear..

[St]

I take mild gear and i don't yo-yo like most that take high dose,or stay on long cycles 1-2 years straight.If you have been in the sport long you will notice that the faster the gains come, they go just as fast.There is no perfect cycle,people need to find the right gear that give then the lowest side-effects.

[JonnyO]

Sure there are the staples that are tried tested and true. But on the other hand some of the exotic compounds work in synergy with anothe, and you dont need a lot of the drug to get the desired effect either.

My first show was High dose Deca, test enth to Cyp and Dbol to Winny and I was cut. Diet and proper planning is going to determine what type of gains one makes with any cycle, shit you could bulk on winny if you wanted to Im sure.

[nisser]

You just need to be in a reasonable caloric surplus to grow. There's no need to binge and eat everything in sight to grow, like a lot of people propose. I personally don't like yo-yoing like that, not to mention that gaining all the fat like that is unhealthy to begin with.

[PdH]

With all due respect to all those have written, I've done this shit for a long time, and observed those around me for some time, what I stated is what works for mass, you want to get get ready for summer, that's your business. If Preatorian has other words, I digress.

[PdH]

i flex in the mirror.. dont talk on my cell but do text.. and talk to others in the gym...it keeps me entertained while i workout.. so when i go its a pleasure and not something i hate doing..

but i still do a proper work out.. work out whether i am on gear or not.. and dont actually lose that much strength when i get off..

i think the problem is like you said in the last post last sentence.. its the guys that only work out when they are on.. that is just stupid as they lose almost everything when they stop working out and stop the gear..

So then, with all due respect, where is your diet?

[PdH]

Please don't forget my brothers, the point of this thread is longevity.

[JonnyO]

With all due respect to all those have written, I've done this shit for a long time, and observed those around me for some time, what I stated is what works for mass, you want to get get ready for summer, that's your business.

Maybe you could start a thread with your recommendations on how to do things properly to gain mass and lasting gains with keeping longevity in mind to help those who need it. If it's a good we can make it a sticky.

[daande]

What makes a steroid an exotic compound? Why would you consider Tren exotic and Equipose not? Why is Anavar exotic and Dbol is not?

[C-money]

What makes a steroid an exotic compound? Why would you consider Tren exotic and Equipose not? Why is Anavar exotic and Dbol is not?

Because dbol and eq is testosterone derived
Hes saying exotics are 19- nor derived and dht derived anabolics

[nitrous]

So then, with all due respect, where is your diet?

i have a thread going in my sig and you are free to check it out..

right now i am doing 50g carbs, 50g protein, 20g fat 6 times a day and working on upping that to 7

[daande]

imo..you are bitching about something not really bitching about. People should take whatever they want with research. I could see you bitching about guys that only lift when they are "on" thats just stupid. Or guys that eat mcdonalds everyday and think they are putting on quality mass thats also stupid. But as far as these "exotic" compounds go I say do what you want. My first cycle had a few weeks of tren A in it. Along with mainly prop and anavar. You are saying all my gains will disappear? I have been off the tren and var for 2 weeks now and I am just running prop because I went on T3 and all my strength gains are still there I just have less endurance during exercises but this is due to no carbs. Why would you care about which compounds someone takes? I think that it doesnt really matter with longevity to which compounds you take. I would say it comes down to really how you eat and train when your on and how good your PCT is and how good you eat and train when you are off.

[St]

Sure there are the staples that are tried tested and true. But on the other hand some of the exotic compounds work in synergy with anothe, and you dont need a lot of the drug to get the desired effect either.

My first show was High dose Deca, test enth to Cyp and Dbol to Winny and I was cut. Diet and proper planning is going to determine what type of gains one makes with any cycle, shit you could bulk on winny if you wanted to Im sure.

Yep i have bulked up on Winny many times in the past,but not now as my HDL as taking a hit bad from Winny over the years plus bad injury's,so my new bad boy is T-bol.This guy has the keep in mind that some people can't take some shit becauce of Zits,hair lost,Protate problem,or Gyno and i get bad gyno so Exotic is a must for me,plus Deca is over Rated give most people dick,even give me Gyno problem.
I would be nice to keep a cycle simple just test and another compound but it doesn't work for all people,and i do love Primo inj.BTW nice abs Johnny O,better have lots of pussy wanting to touch the abs,before there gone.

[_Fluky]

Everyone wants to go big or go home type thing, but everyone still has to listen to there body and do what they think is right. People will learn over time, whats good and what not, and what worth it and whats not.
Thats what everyone is here for really, to give and recieve advice.

All in all, I still kinda feel the OP

[PdH]

Maybe you could start a thread with your recommendations on how to do things properly to gain mass and lasting gains with keeping longevity in mind to help those who need it. If it's a good we can make it a sticky.

Good point. I'll considered writing my experiences in the near future Jonny. Give me some time though, I'm one of those tormented with perfectionism. :)

[GYMBRAT]

well hell it should be good then huh PdH lol j/k

[jacked_to_the_nine]

wow, this was rather entertaining to read... i think buddy who started this thing really likes test, and i've never tried it, but i'm deffinetly going to use it next time, i've always been nervous to use it because of the sides, but i've come to understand that test is probably better for you then anything else, just as long as you set up your pct protocol properly, i have a thread called "what's with HCG" so take a look at that if you wanna know what i'm talking about... regardless, from all the deca and d-bol and winny i've taken i must say that my var only cycle has been the best in regards how i felt on and off, i never experienced any sides or depression or anything and kept all my gains including strength, how ever, it was weak and wasn't as thrilling as my other cycles but in a way, i figure that quality steroids provide more natural gains and i will alsways compare that to the crazy tripped out hardcore feeling of other more harsher steroids, which makes me crave them even more... so i'm excited to do test, it's a low dose but i think the proviron may amp things up, at least that's what i've come to understand.

[baza]

i think buddy who started this thing really likes test, and i've never tried it, but i'm deffinetly going to use it next time, i've always been nervous to use it because of the sides, but i've come to understand that test is probably better for you then anything else

Worried about test side effects? :/

[jacked_to_the_nine]

well ya, i read about the bloat and the estrogen build up and how anabolic it was, so i figure it can really **** you up if you don't use it right, but DHT dirives can't be any better, i mean i was pretty messed up after my deca/winni/mast cycle, all i had for a pct was nolva and i had a limp dick a few times which i had to explain to this chick i was banging in college, "she was like, why can you do it sometimes and other times not?" so i had to tell her i was juicing! thats why i wanna use proviron for my next cycle and test, and no more DECA!!!