Coming Off

[spiderman7]

I'm going to come off soon,well before the next years over. I was just wondering what everyone uses as protocol for their PCT.Looking for examples of tried and true runs.

[waderow]

what are you on, how long were you on

[thecut]

Most people just run nolva at 40/40/20/20 but it doesnt hurt to throw something in there like GH during a cycle, or some IGF coming off, to keep your motivation up when coming off.

[spiderman7]

Low dose of test. Been on for twelve weeks now. I have Nolva,Tormifene, and letro on hand. Yeh, the GH would be great but source has been out for awhile.No clomid needed at the beginning to get the boys up?

[gustavo77]

I use clomid and aromasin....3 weeks of clomid @100mg/day and 5-6 weeks aromasin @25mg/day. I no longer use nolva cause it does not do shit for my recovery.

[tarnow]

I use clomid and aromasin....3 weeks of clomid @100mg/day and 5-6 weeks aromasin @25mg/day. I no longer use nolva cause it does not do shit for my recovery.

Have you tried Torm instead of Nolva?

[St]

I like two weeks of Hcg,at 2500-5000ui every five day,for a total of 3-4 shots,then two weeks of clomid at 100mg from week two-week four,then i hit the nova's at week four at 40mg (ed) for a month,then go down to 20mg (ed) for two weeks.

[spiderman7]

Find it harder to come off as I get older thats why I'm looking for some new tried methods. Hopefully I can hear from the 35 + crowd a bit.I know at my age its harder and longer before recovery.

[gustavo77]

Have you tried Torm instead of Nolva?

No bro, i have not. I have been wanting to try it but my friend does not carry it, so i am going with clomid since i had a great recovery with it and aromasin on my last PCT.

[gustavo77]

Find it harder to come off as I get older thats why I'm looking for some new tried methods. Hopefully I can hear from the 35 + crowd a bit.I know at my age its harder and longer before recovery.

Well bro i am not that far behind you at 33. What i do is run HCG during my whole cycle to keep the leydig cells of the testes stimulated and functioning, that way once i hit the clomid and aromasin during pct those boys are ready to respond to the LH spike cause by the clomid. If you did not use HCG during the cycle than i suggest running 1000-1500iu of HCG every 3rd day for 3 shots then 500iu every 3rd day for 4 more shot along with an AI such as aromasin or adex, then 4 days after your last shot of HCG hit the nolva, clomid or other SERM of your choice.

Using a SERM while using HCG is useless because HCG mimics LH, suppresses natural LH secretion, therefore taking a SERM to stimulate LH from the pituitary is not gonna happen. Save the SERMS for after the HCG therapy.

The reason i include an AI with the HCG, is that HCG will spike estrogen levels, possibly hindering recovery even further and also there are clinical studies that show that aromasin can increase natural test by up to 60% and arimidex increases natural test by up to 50%. Letro also increased test (46%) in these studies but due to the strength of Letro's ability to lower estrogen extremely low and it's heavy estrogen rebound after ceasing use, i would not recommend it for pct purposes. Hope that helps a little, gus.

[spiderman7]

Well bro i am not that far behind you at 33. What i do is run HCG during my whole cycle to keep the leydig cells of the testes stimulated and functioning, that way once i hit the clomid and aromasin during pct those boys are ready to respond to the LH spike cause by the clomid. If you did not use HCG during the cycle than i suggest running 1000-1500iu of HCG every 3rd day for 3 shots then 500iu every 3rd day for 4 more shot along with an AI such as aromasin or adex, then 4 days after your last shot of HCG hit the nolva, clomid or other SERM of your choice.

Using a SERM while using HCG is useless because HCG mimics LH, suppresses natural LH secretion, therefore taking a SERM to stimulate LH from the pituitary is not gonna happen. Save the SERMS for after the HCG therapy.

The reason i include an AI with the HCG, is that HCG will spike estrogen levels, possibly hindering recovery even further and also there are clinical studies that show that aromasin can increase natural test by up to 60% and arimidex increases natural test by up to 50%. Letro also increased test (46%) in these studies but due to the strength of Letro's ability to lower estrogen extremely low and it's heavy estrogen rebound after ceasing use, i would not recommend it for pct purposes. Hope that helps a little, gus.

Yes Bro, it helped out. Thanks I have never tried the Aromasin during PCT
but will be trying it along with some torimefine.

[thecut]

I do agree that pct, igf, hgh and other drugs are important for maintaining gains and your psyche while coming off, but never underestimate the importance of good training and most importantly diet.

[spiderman7]

I do agree that pct, igf, hgh and other drugs are important for maintaining gains and your psyche while coming off, but never underestimate the importance of good training and most importantly diet.

Thanks Bro but trained hard all the time. Diet stinks from time to time but I try to make by up doing the extra cardio.Gains well I keep most,its the recovery, its not quick enough and I feel like shit.