Drug testing shows solution/rants

[poncho101]

okay this is my rant for the day..... when it comes to bodybuilding shows they have the "tested shows" and "non tested shows". In canada anyways, the tested shows consist of testing usually 1- 2 athletes ( 1 -2 guys OR 1-2 girls OR just 1 athlete). they say the drug tests cost too much to test everyone( roughly 300$ a test). how stupid is this? virtually no one in these shows are natural so some poor guy has to go piss in a cup and tell his family he got popped and explain why he doesnt get his trophy. I say if we have "tested shows" test every fukin person in it.... 300$ is peanuts compared to the amount we spend on supplemenst , food, gear, gym memberships. Now for non tested shows i dont understand. its a promotion of steroids which are illegal.... how has this sport developped so much with all of this illegal conduct? lets face the facts this sport is illegal inside and out... heres a solution... make steroids legal! this solves alllllll problems :)

[deleteduser0001]

I don't know any dirty guys that compete in natural shows.


seriously, most are dirty and don't make alot of excuses about it.

[poncho101]

SABBA and MABBA are both tested shows..... the juniors arent even clean lol

[nisser]

Just test the winners. Who cares if the people not on the podium are dirty?

[poncho101]

very good idea...but this is how cbbf works.... if 1st place so happens to get tested and fails the drug test, 2nd place is NOT awarded 1st place they remain second. i find that stupid as well

[Crew]

don't some shows do lie detector testing instead? Wouldn't this be a cheaper option allowing everyone to be tested? I thought the WNBF did the lie detector for everyone - could be wrong though.

[physique]

very good idea...but this is how cbbf works.... if 1st place so happens to get tested and fails the drug test, 2nd place is NOT awarded 1st place they remain second. i find that stupid as well

this only happens when 2nd place hasnt been tested.

western canadian naturals, tests the top 3 in each class and 3 randoms so i am not sure where your arguement lies. not every association should be grouped into this.

[poncho101]

my point is test everyone, or dont test anyone.....

[poncho101]

lie detectors are for the most part in the states , although of course a few exceptions.... its not just steroids in that case its a banned substance list that the athelete reads prior too. . and there are ways out of lie detectors so im not a big fan on those either. its just how i feel, if its going to be a tested show, do it properly and piss test everyone. i just find it mind boggeling that in a sport such as baseball, one athlete gets caught using steroids and its a huge deal, meanwhile the entire bodybuilding community is an underground all around illegal sport.

[Sean Summers]

meanwhile the entire bodybuilding community is an underground all around illegal sport

How is it an illegal sport?
SS

[poncho101]

underground labs, selling/using AAS or illegal substances

[tiramisu]

my point is test everyone, or dont test anyone.....


Would you have every competitor add $300 or so to their entry fee so that they could be individually tested?

That seems like a pretty heavy burden on amateur competitors. I know I woulden't enter a competition I had to pay over $300 just to enter.

The amateur organizations need to maintain a level of reasonable testing to minimize cheating where they have declared themselves to be a drug free organization. I honestly don't understand most of the whining on this subject. The repercussions of a positive test are generally pretty severe and truthfully event day testing should only catch stupid cheaters as opposed to educated ones.

Even the IOC has a huge challenge in executing random out of season testing. Most educated athletes have little problem working around this either.

I continue to wonder why this is such a hotly debated issue.

Most amateur bodybuilders are competing for little more than personal pride. A few gifted amateurs hope to make the nationals and win a professional seat but they are the exception and their genetic talent and level of work visibly seperate them from everyone else. The ones competing for pride have no reason to cheat and the ones competing for nationals have a lot to lose and are generally unlikely to test positive on a game day test anyways.

Being old and not terribly interested in competing with anyone but myself I find the perception that aas in amateur bodybuilding competition requires 100% testing on race day to be impractical, unnecessary and pretty darn ineffective.

[Sean Summers]

underground labs, selling/using AAS or illegal substances

Since when is using AAS in Canada illegal?
SS

[Shaun73]

hey running test is considered natural right?

[baldsamson]

the worst thing about tested comps is when you all have to pay for the testing and no one gets tested and theres not even a person there to do the testing, i will never compete there again, I asked for my testing fee back and was told to get in line until the lawsuit was settled

[Sean Summers]

the worst thing about tested comps is when you all have to pay for the testing and no one gets tested and theres not even a person there to do the testing, i will never compete there again, I asked for my testing fee back and was told to get in line until the lawsuit was settled

What show was that?
SS

[phatkid77]

yeah that show sounds awesome...lol

and SS i think what poncho means is, to have a show NOT TESTED is saying WE KNOW YOU JUICE AND WE DONT CARE.....yes i know its not illegal to have or use AAS...but lets be honest....it does need to be acquired...lol

now, someone competed in FAME and i hear u go in a back room...drop to your posing trunks....if they feel you do appear natural...no further testing required...lol

phats

[dremen]

Since when is using AAS in Canada illegal?
SS


Exactly, god bless Canadian justice loopholes:a+

[Praetorian]

What the athetes competing in these so called tested shows dont seem to realize is that these organizations are businesses. They have been created to do one thing...make a profit for the promoter. Drug testing is a large expense and thus if a fee is collected from every competitor but yet limited or no testing is done than the profit for the promoter just went up. Classic examples of these are FAME and WBFF...not even the weigh ins are accurate. Heavy weights are competing in the light heavy class etc. Also the promise of lucrative contracts and thousands of dollars in prize money never seems to materialize...hmmm.
If you are truly interested in competing naturally then you will have to accept that much of your competition is using drugs...and just be happy with competing against yourself...which is admirable.
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[Danger]

What the athetes competing in these so called tested shows dont seem to realize is that these organizations are businesses. They have been created to do one thing...make a profit for the promoter. Drug testing is a large expense and thus if a fee is collected from every competitor but yet limited or no testing is done than the profit for the promoter just went up. Classic examples of these are FAME and WBFF...not even the weigh ins are accurate. Heavy weights are competing in the light heavy class etc. Also the promise of lucrative contracts and thousands of dollars in prize money never seems to materialize...hmmm.
If you are truly interested in competing naturally then you will have to accept that much of your competition is using drugs...and just be happy with competing against yourself...which is admirable.
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Haha it all makes perfect sense now!

[devo09]

What the athetes competing in these so called tested shows dont seem to realize is that these organizations are businesses. They have been created to do one thing...make a profit for the promoter. Drug testing is a large expense and thus if a fee is collected from every competitor but yet limited or no testing is done than the profit for the promoter just went up. Classic examples of these are FAME and WBFF...not even the weigh ins are accurate. Heavy weights are competing in the light heavy class etc. Also the promise of lucrative contracts and thousands of dollars in prize money never seems to materialize...hmmm.
If you are truly interested in competing naturally then you will have to accept that much of your competition is using drugs...and just be happy with competing against yourself...which is admirable.
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That is simply not true. It depends on the organization. The only natural organizations that are TRULY legitimate (as in they test EVERYONE) are the INBF/WNBF, IFPA, and IDFA.
Now do people slip through the cracks? I'm sure they do, but can you imagine getting caught cheating? that would be the most embarrassing thing possible. And also, if someone is low enough to actual take drugs and enter a natural comp, they are probably weak-minded and they are going to need the drugs becasue their diet/training is not 100% dedicated, so they will still get beaten.

[Praetorian]

That is simply not true. It depends on the organization. The only natural organizations that are TRULY legitimate (as in they test EVERYONE) are the INBF/WNBF, IFPA, and IDFA.
Now do people slip through the cracks? I'm sure they do, but can you imagine getting caught cheating? that would be the most embarrassing thing possible. And also, if someone is low enough to actual take drugs and enter a natural comp, they are probably weak-minded and they are going to need the drugs becasue their diet/training is not 100% dedicated, so they will still get beaten.

It is 100% FACT!!!! You may want to read my post again because it obvious you missed the entire point. No where in my post did I say every single drug free organization doesnt test its athetes...I listed specific examples from real life experience. People do not merely slip through the cracks they have been on drugs for years and continue to do so even at drug tested shows. The drug testing is a farce to say the least...Ive seen it first hand. Even the IDFA has the option to use voice stress and polygraph which are quite easy to pass. Why isnt Gas chromatography Mass Spectrometry testing for metabolites being used??? There are many athletes using drugs who enter drug tested shows....this is a reality! It will also continue until an organization actually institutes a comprehensive drug testing policy which includes out of competition random tests. Until this happens you will have both natural and enhanced athletes competing in these shows because they can. The most popular conversation backstage at the IFBB World Championships (drug tested) show is what compounds is everyone using and what are the clearance times. As for getting caught...some have been caught others have been told they are not allowed to compete (no drug testing done)...ie FAME
If the drug testing was anywhere near efficient you would see many disqualifications....until then everyone keeps bumbling along obliviously.
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[steve_d]

if someone is low enough to actual take drugs and enter a natural comp, they are probably weak-minded and they are going to need the drugs becasue their diet/training is not 100% dedicated, so they will still get beaten.

I am not sure that last part is true. Just because someone cheats, doesn't mean they aren't dedicated to being the best cheater.

Sure, there are some examples to support your statement, but often the cheater is someone who looks good, just not good enough to win on a fair playing field. But that's not to say they couldn't come say top 5 on a fair playing field.

And a top 5 guy (in higher weight classes) at a non-tested national show is going to destroy in a tested show almost all the time.