What`s you latest insulin protocol?

[Ritch]

There was a good thread with C-money and later on bigdadday I forget the rest of his name (sorry bro) chimmed in and were talking about pre workout insuling dosing. Does anyone have any more stories or experiences with it?

I hear taking it pre workout can be one hell of an ergogenic aid. I always hear it`s bad to take if not on cycle, but what if you use it only on training days per workout? How can this make me fat? Aren`t I just making better use of my carbs this way? Was thinking of pre workout insuling with some grph-6 after my pct or maybe even during, not sure yet.

[natenator]

my protocol is this: no protocol.

[smukker]

I found taking it preworkout and sipping my carbs/bcaa/creatine durring my workout gave me one hell of a pump, and awesome muscle fullness. Shitty thing it i still packed on some fat.

[JonnyO]

I know a few guys doing a nice pre w/o protocol right now, going to take a few weeks to report how it goes. But one guy started with 15iu Huma with no issues what so ever, bumped it to 17iu today same, no issues loved it!

[Average 270lb Guy]

After discussion with JonnyO I started 6iu today pre-workout. Drank 100gm carbs right after and sipped a gatorade laced with Muscle Prime and BCAA's during my workout. No issues and and I am going to increase 1iu per workout til I hit 12 and will stop there. Needless to say tomorrow I am adding 5iu gh and 50mcg igf post workout as well. May as well mention I also started 600mg Tren E and 400mg test prop a week and of course 50mg win a day. Topped with 20mg nolvadex a day as well. Good times to come...

[JonnyO]

After discussion with JonnyO I started 6iu today pre-workout. Drank 100gm carbs right after and sipped a gatorade laced with Muscle Prime and BCAA's during my workout. No issues and and I am going to increase 1iu per workout til I hit 12 and will stop there. Needless to say tomorrow I am adding 5iu gh and 50mcg igf post workout as well. May as well mention I also started 600mg Tren E and 400mg test prop a week and of course 50mg win a day. Topped with 20mg nolvadex a day as well. Good times to come...

NO NOLVADEX BRO PLEASE STOP NOLVA ASAP!!! USE ARIM OR AROMASIN, OK.

[Average 270lb Guy]

We never did discuss that... k, I will switch.

[theboss]

NO NOLVADEX BRO PLEASE STOP NOLVA ASAP!!! USE ARIM OR AROMASIN, OK.

just curious...why not?
something with the slin & Nolva combo???
or just against running Nolva on cycle ED and want him to use Arim or arom for water/gyno ??

[C-money]

NO NOLVADEX BRO PLEASE STOP NOLVA ASAP!!! USE ARIM OR AROMASIN, OK.


Just wondering why bro? I know from my own experience nolva saved me once, its always worked best on cycle for me, 20mgs ed or eod depending. if the estro sides are minimal i use nothing, just have the nolva on hand. I actually just got back from a cardio session and was reading the new ironman mag with arnold on it, there is a good writeup on nolva on cycle on page 260.. It talks about how and why it works better for some people on cycle.. its a good read

[JonnyO]

Nolvadex is supposed to lower igf levels is becuase it appears to your liver as an estrogen like metabolite thereby bonding to and activating estrogen receptors in your liver. Estrogen is a signal in your liver to lower the production of IGF1.

[JonnyO]

Activation of the somatotropic axis by testosterone in adult males: evidence for the role of aromatization, AJ Weissberger and KK Ho, Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 76, 1407-1412 1993

ABSTRACT:

To determine whether testosterone modulates the somatotropic axis in adult males, we compared 24-h GH secretion (from 20-min sampling, using Cluster analysis) and insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I) levels of five hypogonadal men (aged 20-32 yr) with those of six normal men (aged 21-27 yr), and examined the effects of testosterone replacement (testosterone enanthate 250 mg im monthly). To elucidate whether the action of testosterone on the somatotropic axis is direct, or requires the aromatization of testosterone to estradiol, we also examined the effects of the nonsteroidal antiestrogen, tamoxifen (20 mg/day for 3 weeks), on 24-h GH secretion and IGF-I levels in the normal men and in four of the hypogonadal men during concurrent testosterone treatment.

Compared to the normal men, the hypogonadal men had significantly reduced mean GH pulse amplitude (3.1 +/- 0.6 vs. 8.4 +/- 1.7 micrograms/L, P < 0.05), but not pulse frequency. Testosterone treatment resulted in a significant increase in 24-h mean serum GH (0.7 +/- 0.2 to 1.4 +/- 0.2 micrograms/L, P < 0.05), mean GH pulse amplitude (3.1 +/- 0.6 to 5.2 +/- 0.8 micrograms/L, P < 0.01) and serum IGF-I (0.9 +/- 0.1 to 1.1 +/- 0.1 U/mL, P < 0.05).

In the normal men, tamoxifen significantly reduced 24-h mean serum GH (1.1 +/- 0.3 to 0.5 +/- 0.1 micrograms/L, P < 0.05), mean GH pulse amplitude (8.4 +/- 1.7 to 4.7 +/- 0.4 micrograms/L, P < 0.05), and serum IGF-I (1.0 +/- 0.1 to 0.7 +/- 0.1 U/mL, P < 0.001).

In the hypogonadal men on testosterone replacement, tamoxifen lowered 24-h mean serum GH (1.3 +/- 0.2 to 0.6 +/- 0.2 micrograms/L, P < 0.01), mean GH pulse amplitude (5.5 +/- 1.0 to 2.4 +/- 0.8 micrograms/L, P < 0.01), and serum IGF-I (1.2 +/- 0.1 to 0.8 +/- 0.1 U/mL, P < 0.05).

We conclude that testosterone plays an important role in the modulation of the male somatotropic axis in adulthood, as appears to be the case in puberty, and that this effect is partly dependent on the aromatization of testosterone to estradiol.