blast off

[Tballs]

check this new cycle tell me what you think

week 1-10 Test E 750mg EW
Week 10-20 test E 500mg EW
week 10-20 Tren E 300mg EW

followed by nolva pct.

[z83]

weak pct for tren

[daande]

weak pct for tren

x2 get some HCG.

[Redz]

I would run a much stronger pct than that, myself I would run:

HCG
clomid/nolva/aromasin

[Dragon1911]

What are your stats and history.

Age, weight, height, lifting experience and so forth.
How many cycles have you run in the past.

Sounds like a cycle for the more advanced lifter/bber.

[Tballs]

What are your stats and history.

Age, weight, height, lifting experience and so forth.
How many cycles have you run in the past.

Sounds like a cycle for the more advanced lifter/bber.

ht 5'8"
wt 225
bf 12-15
this will be cycle 4. have run tren before and dont believe in using hcg at my age.

[GYMBRAT]

At that length of cycle I'd still consider using HCG every time, and if you figure your too young to use HCG your prob too young to be using AAS in all seriousness......by no means am I trying to sound like nor be a dick, just stating my personal experience.

[Tballs]

At that length of cycle I'd still consider using HCG every time, and if you figure your too young to use HCG your prob too young to be using AAS in all seriousness......by no means am I trying to sound like nor be a dick, just stating my personal experience.

well im 26. and id rather not mess around with my LH production. nolva pct has done me just just fine far. not everyone is the same.

[Drummer]

Wow thats a ball shrinker. I would use HCG also, but if your balls arent shrinking, then you either have weak tren, or your somehow lucky, although i dont see how.

Other than that, id run the test 750 all the way through. Just a thought. Keep the estro's level and all that. Tren will add nicely halfway.

~D~

[daande]

well im 26. and id rather not mess around with my LH production. nolva pct has done me just just fine far. not everyone is the same.

You are messing around with your LH production by using AAS...Am I correct?

[Drummer]

You are messing around with your LH production by using AAS...Am I correct?

yes, you are correct. What i think he is referring to is there is some scare that if you use too much HCG you can desensitize your leydig cells to natural LH, leaving you more or less permanently changed. You would have to use a lot more than the common maintenance dose that ppl usually recommend while cycling, which is about 100iu a day, or 300iu E3D.

~D~

[GYMBRAT]

well im 26. and id rather not mess around with my LH production. nolva pct has done me just just fine far. not everyone is the same.

no worries bro I see what your saying, your absolutely right, "not everyone is the same" as I stated prior..I've just always run it to know that I wasn't going to waste my $ or my time and it was from my own personal experience of running tren/test etc...for longer cycles than the norm 10-12 wks and would absolutely shut my shit down hard without HCG use every time.

Though I do know guys that swear by not using it neither though, like yourself, good luck hope your cycle kicks ass for ya!

[tex]

hcg does not desensitize lh production.

[gustavo77]

ht 5'8"
wt 225
bf 12-15
this will be cycle 4. have run tren before and dont believe in using hcg at my age.


well im 26. and id rather not mess around with my LH production. nolva pct has done me just just fine far. not everyone is the same.

Bro, no offense but you really need to do more research before you make such important decisions about your body.

On cycle your LH production is suppressed...so are the leydig cells of your testes...after 20 weeks on test and tren, your balls are gonna be uber shut down, we are talking raisins...no bullshit. HCG for the whole cycle 250-500iu, 2x per week, otherwise, have a fun getting those boyz going again...

Cycle looks good by the way...the only thing i would do is run the test at 750mg/wk the whole way through...

[St]

Just look at the new 2009 anabolic reference,there is a pct protocol.
I love hcg,clomid,nolva,but you could always take trib at 3000mg ed works great.

[Drummer]

Bro, no offense but you really need to do more research before you make such important decisions about your body.

On cycle your LH production is suppressed...so are the leydig cells of your testes...after 20 weeks on test and tren, your balls are gonna be uber shut down, we are talking raisins...no bullshit. HCG for the whole cycle 250-500iu, 2x per week, otherwise, have a fun getting those boyz going again...

Cycle looks good by the way...the only thing i would do is run the test at 750mg/wk the whole way through...

x2

[Tballs]

Bro, no offense but you really need to do more research before you make such important decisions about your body.

On cycle your LH production is suppressed...so are the leydig cells of your testes...after 20 weeks on test and tren, your balls are gonna be uber shut down, we are talking raisins...no bullshit. HCG for the whole cycle 250-500iu, 2x per week, otherwise, have a fun getting those boyz going again...

Cycle looks good by the way...the only thing i would do is run the test at 750mg/wk the whole way through...

thanks for the advice bro. ill be picking up some hcg. i wasnt trying to be a dick, i was just going by what has worked for me in the past.

[gustavo77]

thanks for the advice bro. ill be picking up some hcg. i wasnt trying to be a dick, i was just going by what has worked for me in the past.

No prob bro, i did not think you were being a dick, just a little naive... we are all still learning here but HCG will definitely help you recover bro, there is no doubt about that...

[Drummer]

No prob bro, i did not think you were being a dick, just a little naive... we are all still learning here but HCG will definitely help you recover bro, there is no doubt about that...

I wont run another long cycle without it... the balls just take WAY too long to recover, especially from using tren or deca....

~D~

[LIVEHARD]

Nice But 750 on the Test all the way

regarding the hcg there your NAD's your choice to listen or not