post cycle therapy

[keypak]

Just wondering what people are doing for their post cycle therapy. Taper down? HCG? Lighter agent toward the end? How much do you typically spend on your post gear?
I have never focused on post cycle therapy..........which is probably not the best for all that hard earned mass.
Thoughts anyone?

[theboss]

taper is old school...
hcg is during cycle...
i like clomid.

[Ritch]

I know the taper method is poo poo`d alot here and all the vets are against it, but let`s not forget who this is comming from. A guy who probably understands how these compounds work better than anyone else. Yes prisoner... The method can kind of be looked at as a regular cycle, followed by a low dose test cruise (100mg week) where you taper off the AI`s then a slow taper off the test with a serm if one wants to do so. To me it makes much more sense than comming off 1000mg+ of gear cold turkey. Just like you wouldn`t want to go from 5000 to 2000 cals or 2000 to 5000 cals from one day to the next. Why would you want to do that with gear?

[tex]

so this is what i did.....my last shot was on a sunday....it was low dose test 150mg....on the wed. after my last shot I started hcg @ 1000 iu's eod until I hit the 2 week mark after my last shot.....then I started nolvadex @ 40mg/day and I have been running aromasin @ 25mg/day since I started the hcg......according to the roid calculator I should have less than 4mg of the test e remaining right now.....my balls are pretty full.....still getting major morning wood.....weight is actually up 2 lbs from 2 weeks ago....strength is steady.....

[ironwill]

I taper every time and always will..I didnt for a couple yrs and i suffered a lot....I have blood work done each few months and it works great for me as my bloodwork is always good, and i feel much, much better tapering than cold turkey..I am open minded and have tried many things in my yrs doing this stuff and i dont think that i can dispute the fact this works...BTW, i taper on also...I also feel wayyyy better than whacking front loads etc....Maybe im more sesitive than some, but i can emotionally feel it when i cut it out to fast, or ramp up to fast....Physically also....I dont use anti es on cycle but incorporate them as im tapering down to prevent excess estrogen buildup while my body is resetting its hormones....I do everything else most pcts advise to, except i taper down over about 4 weeks when coming off, and up over 4 weeks whilst getting on...
i taper off using shorter esthers as well.....generally test prop only...when i cut out the other compounds i could definitely feel it and was glad to have a little test floating around to alleviate some of the sides..

[nitrous]

I know the taper method is poo poo`d alot here and all the vets are against it, but let`s not forget who this is comming from. A guy who probably understands how these compounds work better than anyone else. Yes prisoner... The method can kind of be looked at as a regular cycle, followed by a low dose test cruise (100mg week) where you taper off the AI`s then a slow taper off the test with a serm if one wants to do so. To me it makes much more sense than comming off 1000mg+ of gear cold turkey. Just like you wouldn`t want to go from 5000 to 2000 cals or 2000 to 5000 cals from one day to the next. Why would you want to do that with gear?

something like test prop i could agree with you.. the thing is test enanthate or other longer estered test will self taper... a week off of it and the test from a week ago is still in your body just lower dosage..

[Praetorian]

something like test prop i could agree with you.. the thing is test enanthate or other longer estered test will self taper... a week off of it and the test from a week ago is still in your body just lower dosage..

Very true!
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PCT by DP.

POST CYCLE THERAPY

Whenever one considers stopping an anabolic steroid cycle, it is extremely important to wean yourself off of the drugs very slowly. For instance, if someone were taking 1000mg of sustanon per week, they would not want to just abruptly stop taking everything. The problem with just “stopping” a cycle, while taking such a high dosage of steroids, is that you may suffer the very unfortunate fate of “crashing”. In bodybuilding circles, when we talk of “crashing” we are referring to the situation whereby the user abruptly stops taking any exogenous anabolic steroids yet they also have no endogenous (natural) production of testosterone (due to the temporary shutdown
of their pituitary gland from all the aromatizing steroids the user is taking). Usually it takes approximately 2-3 weeks for natural testosterone to start being produced. It is during this 2-3 week period that the user is extremely vulnerable to viruses (caused by a suppressed immune system), low sex drive (caused by a low testosterone level), and worst of all, lean muscle losses (also caused
by low testosterone levels). How can we prevent this “crash” of the endogenous hormonal systems from occurring? First off, in the first week, it is a really smart idea to slowly lower the amounts of all injected anabolic steroids (bring injected testosterone levels immediately down to 500mg per week). Secondly (week 2), go off all oral compounds and stop all injected anabolics (with the exception of long-acting injected testosterones—keep them at 500mg per week). It is a good idea to
stay on long acting testosterones (such as testosterone cypionate or testosterone enanthate) as opposed to short acting ones (such as testosterone propionate or testosterone phenylpropionate) because the long duration esters will slowly leave the bloodstream over the course
of 3-4 weeks (therefore, there will always be some hormone present) during which time the user’s body will have a chance to start producing endogenous testosterone. Thirdly (around week 4), following the last dose of injected
testosterone, the user should start a 2 week course of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). Every second day, the user should inject 2000 IU’s of HCG. HCG is a hormone that mimics the effects of the pituitary hormone Luteining Hormone (LH). LH, in men, stimulates
the leydig cells of the testicles to produce testosterone (this will effectively “kickstart” the inactive testes).
Lastly (around week 6), Clomid (clomiphene citrate) should be administered orally at a dose of 50mg two times per day (for 2 weeks). Clomid is a synthetic estrogen that, in men, can perform two functions: a) Clomid antagonizes estrogen receptors (somewhat
inhibiting the estrogenic side effects of aromatizing anabolic steroids).b) Clomid mimics the effects of the hypothalamic hormone Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone (GRH). In humans, GRH stimulates the pituitary gland to produce LH and Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH). This final role of Clomid, then, is to help awaken the pituitary gland that has been suppressed from the heavy anabolic steroid cycle
that was just recently ceased. Once the last Clomid pill has been swallowed, it is time to allow
the body to restore its natural endogenous hormonal system to normal. This restoration may take upwards of 2-4 weeks. I suggest staying off all synthetic anabolic steroids for at least 6-8 weeks following the ingestion of the last Clomid pill. This “break” should give your liver cells adequate time to detoxify themselves and your muscle cell receptors enough time to, once again, become receptive to anabolic stimuli.

SUMMARY:
- HCG: 2000mg every second day for two weeks
- Clomid: (start after conclusion of hcg cycle) 50mg two times per day for two weeks
- Aromatase Inhibitor: Arimidex (.5mg every other day) or Aromasin 12.5mg ED

[Ritch]

something like test prop i could agree with you.. the thing is test enanthate or other longer estered test will self taper... a week off of it and the test from a week ago is still in your body just lower dosage..

Did some searching to find this one, lol...

Unfortunately halflives in injectable oil esterified steroids do not follow a steady staight (even) declination from begining to end.

When you inject something like test prop, there is a 'peak' where the majority of the hormone is absorbed and then followed by a steep drop that levels into a slower declination.

Basically in all steriods, even longer acting steroids, the bulk of the injection is absorbed sooner, and the rest is then absorbed over time, gradually releasing less and less from the muscle as time goes by.

Think of it as this. Put a towel over a bucket and poor a 100ml of water onto the towel. With in the first minute about 60-70% (the majority) of the water you poured on that towel is going to drain from the towel into the bucket. The rest is going to drip slowly, as time goes by progressively dripping slower, and slower.

This is kind of how it is when you inject an oil - esterfied depot into the muscle. You cannot calculate the halflife in the same way you calculate traditional halflives that are computed usually by oral drugs or IV drugs. The halflives in these cases measure the point in which the drug is exposed to the your metabolic system (in these cases all at once) and begins to be metabolized by the liver, and eliminated from the body.

That is why, using test prop is not a sound choice IMO for the taper method, as the peak is too high, and drop off too low.

Ideally best is test cyp or test enanthate injected more than once per week, or if available, androderm patches would be the most suitable.

[nitrous]

the half life on testosterone enanthate is 10.5 days.. that means that after 10.5 days half of it is still in your system.. whether it drops in a steady line or not is another thing but half of it should still be in your system at 10.5 days..

if you followed Praetorians protocol and after the last injection started HCG for 2 weeks then that means you will have been on HCG for a week and a half and your nuts should already be producing testosterone.. sure maybe not as much as a normal person would at that point but still some.. and with some test still being in your system your actual test levels should never drop so low that you have a huge lack of test in your system for a long period of time.. at least if you are capable of producing test again in which case if you werent a test taper wouldnt help anyways..

if you are taking a couple grams of test a week plus then i could see dropping it to a lot less for a week or two but if you are taking under a gram i wouldnt think it would be worth it


^that is at least how i understand it