HCG advice

[Winnipeg Muscle]

Good day all, planning a 12 week cycle for September as follows:

Test Cyp or Ena 400mg(200mg 2x / week) weeks 1-12
.5mg Arimidex ed weeks 1-12
50mg D-bol ed for first 4 weeks
50mg Tren ed weeks 5-9
500mg Primo on week 10.

Clomid PCT Weeks 13,14 and 15

I am interested in comments about the need to add HCG, when, and suggested dose, cheers. :)

[theboss]

i would add it about half way through your cycle @ 300iu E3D up until the start of PCT

[Winnipeg Muscle]

Clomid PCT Weeks 14,15,16

[elmatador]

250iu Twice a week starting week 3 of cycle

[Praetorian]

I believe i posted this before...from Dave P
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Usually it takes approximately 2-3 weeks for natural testosterone to start being produced. It is during this 2-3 week period that the user is extremely vulnerable to viruses (caused by a suppressed immune system), low sex drive (caused by a low testosterone level), and worst of all, lean muscle losses (also caused
by low testosterone levels). How can we prevent this “crash” of the endogenous hormonal systems from occurring? First off, in the first week, it is a really smart idea to slowly lower the amounts of all injected anabolic steroids (bring injected testosterone levels immediately down to 500mg per week). Secondly (week 2), go off all oral compounds and stop all injected anabolics (with the exception of long-acting injected testosterones—keep them at 500mg per week). It is a good idea to
stay on long acting testosterones (such as testosterone cypionate or testosterone enanthate) as opposed to short acting ones (such as testosterone propionate or testosterone phenylpropionate) because the long duration esters will slowly leave the bloodstream over the course
of 3-4 weeks (therefore, there will always be some hormone present) during which time the user’s body will have a chance to start producing endogenous testosterone. Thirdly (around week 4), following the last dose of injected
testosterone, the user should start a 2 week course of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). Every second day, the user should inject 2000 IU’s of HCG. HCG is a hormone that mimics the effects of the pituitary hormone Luteining Hormone (LH). LH, in men, stimulates
the leydig cells of the testicles to produce testosterone (this will effectively “kickstart” the inactive testes).
Lastly (around week 6), Clomid (clomiphene citrate) should be administered orally at a dose of 50mg two times per day (for 2 weeks). Clomid is a synthetic estrogen that, in men, can perform two functions: a) Clomid antagonizes estrogen receptors (somewhat
inhibiting the estrogenic side effects of aromatizing anabolic steroids).b) Clomid mimics the effects of the hypothalamic hormone Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone (GRH). In humans, GRH stimulates the pituitary gland to produce LH and Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH). This final role of Clomid, then, is to help awaken the pituitary gland that has been suppressed from the heavy anabolic steroid cycle
that was just recently ceased. Once the last Clomid pill has been swallowed, it is time to allow
the body to restore its natural endogenous hormonal system to normal. This restoration may take upwards of 2-4 weeks. I suggest staying off all synthetic anabolic steroids for at least 6-8 weeks following the ingestion of the last Clomid pill. This “break” should give your liver cells adequate time to detoxify themselves and your muscle cell receptors enough time to, once again, become receptive to anabolic stimuli.

SUMMARY:
- HCG: 2000mg every second day for two weeks
- Clomid: (start after conclusion of hcg cycle) 50mg two times per day for two weeks
- Aromatase Inhibitor: Arimidex (.5mg every other day) or TESTOSTOLYZE (5 pills every day)

[IronMan]

Some good info, thanks P!

[tiramisu]

the 500mg of primo on week 10 has me confused.
tren seems low
dbol seems high

[tex]

test, tren, dbol, primo.......Id pick 2 and play with the doses.....primo would be a waste in this cycle......esp at a dose that low........

[Winnipeg Muscle]

Thanks all.

Any thoughts on the suggestion in this link, 100iu HCG ED starting after 7 days???

http://www.primordialperformance.com/store/hcg-article.html

[deleteduser0001]

I have read so many articles on HCG.

100mg ED, 200mg E3D, 500E4D 2000biweekly...etc etc...then the idea of what starts to kick in primary hypogandisum and what does not, the confusion is just dangerous.

I am just convinced no one has any idea what they are talking about anymore.

[Praetorian]

Thats why its a good idea to base your decision on scientific proven studies and educated people (ie sports medicine-DP) instead BB boards spewing the latest gym gossip/misinformation about it.
A few hundred iu of HCG will do FA when it comes to restoring HPTA...clomid will in essence stimulate more LH...so what is the point!
P

[elmatador]

Thats why its a good idea to base your decision on scientific proven studies and educated people (ie sports medicine-DP) instead BB boards spewing the latest gym gossip/misinformation about it.
A few hundred iu of HCG will do FA when it comes to restoring HPTA...clomid will in essence stimulate more LH...so what is the point!
P

Can you point me to the study that talks about the HCG usage you mentioned?

[Ritch]

Do you guys inject the same amount of air into the hcg bottle that you are drawing out?

[elmatador]

Do you guys inject the same amount of air into the hcg bottle that you are drawing out?

Yes I do that.

[natenator]

Can you point me to the study that talks about the HCG usage you mentioned?
search for some of his previous posts. He's posted numerous times on the topic.