mg/ml?

[JonnyO]

I read somewhere that there's about 70-72mg actual test per every 100mg for esters like Cyp/Enth, I think higher mg/ml for shorter esters. Does anyone ever take this into consideration when dosing their test cycles? So in essence if your banging 1000mg a week, in reality your taking in 700-720mg a week.

[wolverine]

I have never heard that Jonny, see if you can find the info and post please!!

[ironwill]

I dont consider that when i inject....maybe i should....
I have read that also...suspension is almost 100 percent , then prop is about 85 percent, then longer esthers are around 75 percent i believe....

[Tiamat]

Yes, you have to factor out the ester. I had read this before.

[Praetorian]

I read somewhere that there's about 70-72mg actual test per every 100mg for esters like Cyp/Enth, I think higher mg/ml for shorter esters. Does anyone ever take this into consideration when dosing their test cycles? So in essence if your banging 1000mg a week, in reality your taking in 700-720mg a week.

That is correct...the longer the ester the heavier it is thus the less overall test per mg. The ester takes up "space".

See outline below:

Chemical = Formula = Molecular Weight = Mg of Testosterone
Testosterone (no ester) = C19 H28 O2 = 288.4mg = 100mg
Propionate = C3 H4 O = 56.1mg = 83.72mg
Cypionate = C8 H4 O = 124.2mg = 69.90mg


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[theboss]

ditto...and have often wondered if others take the ester into consideration.....i dont.

[LIVEHARD]

I read somewhere that there's about 70-72mg actual test per every 100mg for esters like Cyp/Enth, I think higher mg/ml for shorter esters. Does anyone ever take this into consideration when dosing their test cycles? So in essence if your banging 1000mg a week, in reality your taking in 700-720mg a week.

?? 100mg per ml thats it unless the ugl is shitty

Thank Prae its early in the morning I'm happy to down my oatmeal and pick the right hole

Old F'ks like me have been known to miss without our glasses that's why i like the sloopy ons lees chance of parking in the wrong spot LOL

Love the test in the AM she asked if I was turning 18 again poor kitty !!!!!!

[Praetorian]

?? 100mg per ml thats it unless the ugl is shitttttttt


We are talking 100% pure...assume the UGL is top notch....the ester still takes up space...so you still only get 69mg of testosterone per 100mg weighed(cypionate etser).
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[LIVEHARD]

We are talking 100% pure...assume the UGL is top notch....the ester still takes up space...so you still only get 69mg of testosterone per 100mg weighed(cypionate etser).
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I"m awake now F'k me I never sleep till 10:15

makes sence

[wolverine]

So if one would want to administer 1000mg/ week you should really be doing 1300 mg's or there abouts???

[Tbag]

Ya this is actually why test susp is stronger, the ester weight is included in the total mg. The longer the ester the more mg it is, so with cyp, en and deconate your actually getting less mg of the actual product.

[St]

Ya this is actually why test susp is stronger, the ester weight is included in the total mg. The longer the ester the more mg it is, so with cyp, en and deconate your actually getting less mg of the actual product.

Yep Test Suspension does have the most.

[ironwill]

Never take it into consideration, Also on a kind of related note. There's always a little bit of oil left in the needle head after an injection that you can never get out. That, with coupled with a little oil that might escape post injection. When you think you're getting 250mg of testosterone enanthate per say, you might only be actually getting 160-170mg when its all said and done.
just draw in one line of air bubble on needle if that lil bit bugs you...Same with gh...just draw 2ius or 2 lines of air, turn needle over and let bubble go to top, and it will push all fluids out of pin and fill the void in needle tip with air....thats what i do when using low dose gh......no waste in my house....and no it wont kill you, or hurt you etc...It only fills the needle void with air and it takes a huge multiple ml air bubble injected direct into a vein to harm you, or kill you...just sayin...:)

[bigdaddydrew123]

dont you also take into account the accumulation of test in your system,there would be a carry over of test from first week,that would add to next so on so on,this is just me thinking out loud,nothing ive read or researched

[Realist]

Yep, Johnny-O and BigDaddyDrew are correct...good posts by all.

As Ester weight goes up, risk of pain on injection goes up as well.

And Susp, at 100, must be taken every day. Prop at 81, is every 2 days, both to maintain stable blood levels.

And BigDaddyDrew, you are correct. The half life of the compound has to be considered. So, if one takes Enth Test 500mg one week, then in 3 days, there should be about 250 mg blood level. If one takes 250 mg, then levels go back up to 500mg.

[baza]

Never take it into consideration, Also on a kind of related note. There's always a little bit of oil left in the needle head after an injection that you can never get out. That, with coupled with a little oil that might escape post injection. When you think you're getting 250mg of testosterone enanthate per say, you might only be actually getting 160-170mg when its all said and done.

There is really not as much in there as it seems.

[HeavyD]

That is correct...the longer the ester the heavier it is thus the less overall test per mg. The ester takes up "space".

See outline below:

Chemical = Formula = Molecular Weight = Mg of Testosterone
Testosterone (no ester) = C19 H28 O2 = 288.4mg = 100mg
Propionate = C3 H4 O = 56.1mg = 83.72mg
Cypionate = C8 H4 O = 124.2mg = 69.90mg


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this is 100% true at 1000mg wk of prop is 830mg and of cyp is (I read) 680mg wk..

i think we should consider this when doseing, not telling people they are over thinking it, when they ask this question...

[natenator]

this is 100% true at 1000mg wk of prop is 830mg and of cyp is (I read) 680mg wk..

i think we should consider this when doseing, not telling people they are over thinking it, when they ask this question...
they are over thinking. If you want to **** around with the math and making sure you are getting the absolute correct amount of hormone then go ahead. I'll worry about shit that actually matters - like nailing my nutrition 100%, ensuring I am busting ass in the gym and getting proper rest. That will have a bigger impact on gains than missing out on 100mg of test/week.

[punkrock]

I don't consider the ester weight when I inject, even though I have posted the weights up before.

I think it's just important to know, that if someone is thinking that test prop gives them the best results. Then, in reality they should just use more test on the longer esters.

Sometimes that also give a person the idea that a lab is underdosed.

[pseclint]

there was a great post about this on Nexus....... miss that place

[BAM]

In my experience, I find most Canadian UG labs do not measure up against HG or foreign UG when it comes to potency.

[pseclint]

In my experience, I find most Canadian UG labs do not measure up against HG or foreign UG when it comes to potency.

this is a whole different convo.....

I would say its hit and miss from lab to lab, if your having that problem you have the wrong CDN UG....

thats of course when there was cdn ug, now there is nothing and we shall all buy creatine and whatnots to make up for the loss