Arimidex - Aromasin

[wan2lrn]

Thinking of this cycle for September:

Weeks 1-16 Test E 600mg/week
Weeks 1-15 EQ 600mg/week
Weeks 4-8 D-bol 30mg ED
Weeks 9-18 HCG 500iu every Mon/Thurs
Weeks 1-23 Aromasin 12.5mg ED
Weeks 19-21 Clomid 50mg ED

Here is my question. Since I have some left-over A-dex, could I run it from weeks 1-9 at .5mg EOD followed by the Aromasin weeks 10-23? I am trying to cut down on the cost, obviously.

I realize the HCG should begin at Week 1, but again, trying to save some coin.

[St]

Ya your cycle looks good,and your Arimidex & aromasin looks fine the way to mapped it out.

[Praetorian]

You shouldnt need the adex or aromasin from 1-17 unless you are very prone to gyno or have an existing condition. I would avoid it if at all possible. Run it weeks 17-25 at 12.5mg ED.
Depending on your age and cycle history I would run some HCG weeks 18-19 to speed up recovery and move the clomid to weeks 20-22 at 50mg twice daily.
Otherwise things look good.
P

[wan2lrn]

You shouldnt need the adex or aromasin from 1-17 unless you are very prone to gyno or have an existing condition. I would avoid it if at all possible. Run it weeks 17-25 at 12.5mg ED.
Depending on your age and cycle history I would run some HCG weeks 18-19 to speed up recovery and move the clomid to weeks 20-22 at 50mg twice daily.
Otherwise things look good.
P

Just curious as to why you suggest to begin PCT one week later. Is it because of the EQ? Does it need 4 weeks to clear the system, so to speak?

[nitrous]

You shouldnt need the adex or aromasin from 1-17 unless you are very prone to gyno or have an existing condition. I would avoid it if at all possible. Run it weeks 17-25 at 12.5mg ED.
Depending on your age and cycle history I would run some HCG weeks 18-19 to speed up recovery and move the clomid to weeks 20-22 at 50mg twice daily.
Otherwise things look good.
P

interesting.. i know it would cost water retention on many for that dosage of gear.. which isnt a bad thing for the muscles.. can be hard on the blood pressure.. but wouldnt a little bit of one of the AI's help with lowering a bit of the estrogen which would help reduce SHBG and lower a bit of the water retention? not so much it kills all water retention but just a bit to help?

[tex]

shouldnt be that much water retention.......

[nitrous]

shouldnt be that much water retention.......

600 test 600 eq plus dbol... i would think it would cause some.. everyone is different but i'm on 500 test and 600eq right now and for me it has caused some.. i also know it is diet and cardio dependent and that is also a factor but still i cant see how it would hurt? also its reduction in SHBG would increase more free test making your test more effective.. i'm just talkin out loud here someone correct me if i am way off

[wan2lrn]

600 test 600 eq plus dbol... i would think it would cause some.. everyone is different but i'm on 500 test and 600eq right now and for me it has caused some.. i also know it is diet and cardio dependent and that is also a factor but still i cant see how it would hurt? also its reduction in SHBG would increase more free test making your test more effective.. i'm just talkin out loud here someone correct me if i am way off

I was thinking along the same lines as you, but Praet knows his stuff. I am sure he will explain it all for us.

[nitrous]

i've began reading the anabolic 2009 book and it looks like as much estrogen as your body can handle without gyno or other bad sides is best for optimum muscle gain.. hmm

[Doryphorus]

Interesting bro, I'm planning an almost identical cycle as this one to start in the next month or so.

What are your thoughts on running 20mg nolva ED from Wk 9-18 during the HCG instead of the adex? From what I understand it can help prevent desensitization of the testes to LH, which could be beneficial especially during HCG use no?

[gustavo77]

For me, 600mg of test per week and 30mg of d-bol per day is more than enough to make my nipples tender. Not to mention increased water retention and minor sexual dysfunction. I've never understood how excessive estrogen levels build more muscle than normal levels and i believe a moderate dose of AI will merely bring estrogen levels back down to normal range on cycle. More than enough estrogen for IGF-1 production...

That said, i use 1mg of adex eod on cycle, when using 600mg+ of test per week...you may not be as estrogen sensitive as eye, so start with the protocol you have outlined and go from there.

I also suggest you run HCG from the beginning of your cycle right up to 4-5 days before you start pct...keep the leydig cells of the testes working the whole time...

[nitrous]

i'm on test e 500mg week and eq 600mg a week right now and have been for awhile.. i was also on tbol at the beginning.. now i have not been taking anti e's and had no tenderness in my nipples and the only sign of increased estrogen is water retention.. my face was definitely rounder and just an overall puffyness was going on.. yes i am sure my diet and cardio have been playing a roll in this.. what can i say its summer plus i had to go to a buddys stag and birthday.. gotta live..

that being said i have also had a possible slight decrease in libido.. the drive for sex is there for sure.. during the day i get hard way more often than normal.. but at night when it comes time to business it seems like it takes longer to get hard.. i think this could also be a sleep issue which i am lacking.. once going though it takes me longer to get off.. not soo long its a problem but just something i thought i'd mention..

i started taking adex 1mg eod about a week ago now just to try it out and see what happens.. personally i feel like some water retention has gone down a bit.. sex drive seems to be about the same maybe too early to tell..

i am deciding to either stick with the adex for a bit longer to see how i react after giving it a fair chance.. if things are the same i may drop it and just try some proviron (prea i know you dont like it) at 50mg ED and see how i react to that since i have some on hand.. already tried it at 25mg ED and didnt notice much thats why i am trying adex right now