sustanon 250

[beretta96]

Hi guys,

A friend of mine is suggesting I do the same as him and use Sust 250. He's only used Sust/deca stacks and has not used test e for many years. I wanted test e for my first real cycle but this appears to be my only option. From what I've read, it sounds OK as well. He's suggesting a 250mg a week start with 30mg dbol for 3 weeks with a 10 week cycle total. I was thinking 500mg but he said my first time 250mg would be a good start.

For a pct I wanted arimidex, nolvadex and hcg on hand, he uses clomid pretty well exclusively with great success even at higher sust/deca doses. He says hcg is not a big deal until higher doses. He was saying to pct like this,
day 1 150mg
day 2-11 100mg
day 11-21 50 mg

I have some 6 oxo I'll run afterwards with a couple of grams a day of tribulus.

I think I like the nolvadex idea better, but don't want to offend his ideas either.

what are your opinions? If I like what Sust does and wanted to try 500mg/wk afterwards, is Clomid still OK or should I push for Nolvadex?

[tex]

how old are you? how long have you been lifting consistantly? How is your diet? Thats what everyone reading this thread is gonna ask........heres what I think if everything else is in check.....sus needs to be pinned eod.....250/week is not enough.....500mg/wk will be fine.....I dont like clomid for pct....nolvadex works better imo and you use a lower dose and it has less sides....get some aromasin instead of the arimidex....hcg can help but not mandatory for this cycle....no need for the dbol but if you must then use it starting at week 4 and run it for 4 weeks.....you will see better results....sorry for the bad sentence structure....

[theboss]

lots of guys run Sust as a first cycle but usually twice per week.........however the correct way to use Sust is EOD.......and i wouldnt do that for a 1st cycle....like tex said get Test E..and i would go 500mg/week......and dbol starting 4 weeks in @ 30-40mg........i would also extend the cycle to 12 weeks......also agree that HCG is not needed for this cycle....but i do like clomid for recovery better than nolvadex. i would use nolvadex if you devleop gyno.........and like tex..sorry for the bad sentence structure.... X2

[C-money]

lots of guys run Sust as a first cycle but usually twice per week.........however the correct way to use Sust is EOD.......and i wouldnt do that for a 1st cycle....like tex said get Test E..and i would go 500mg/week......and dbol starting 4 weeks in @ 30-40mg........i would also extend the cycle to 12 weeks......also agree that HCG is not needed for this cycle....but i do like clomid for recovery better than nolvadex. i would use nolvadex if you devleop gyno.........and like tex..sorry for the bad sentence structure.... X2

x2 to everything boss said above^^everyone is different when it comes to pct, i recover better with nolva then clomid, you ll just have to figure what works better for you. Hcg is deffinately not needed first 12 week go with test e

[macka]

just a note, HCG should only be used during a cycle, it is not a compound you should use during PCT.

[Praetorian]

Just to summarize some good points made already and add a few.

1. Either sust or testE is fine...EOD is ideal for injects...500mg weekly maximize gains with limited sides

2. Dbol is not necessary...however if you choose to use it 30mg ED is more than enough...start it 4 weeks into the cycle

3. Cycle length should be 12 weeks

4. PCT may include HCG, but aromasin and clomid are necessary, clomid works better because of its effect on the pituitary
(Clomid mimics the effects of the hypothalamic hormone Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone(GRH). In humans, GRH stimulates the pituitary gland to produce LH and Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH). Clomid, thus helps awaken the pituitary gland that has been suppressed from the heavy anabolic steroid cycle)

5. HCG can be used during cycles to prevent testicular atrophy as well should be used at the end of a heavy longterm cycle to help stimulate the testes to produce endogenous testosterone. Without HCG post cycle the ability to recover from only items such as clomid, nolvadex etc is severely hampered due to the inadequate amounts of LH stimulated by these compounds.

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[LIVEHARD]

how old are you? how long have you been lifting consistantly? How is your diet? Thats what everyone reading this thread is gonna ask........heres what I think if everything else is in check.....sus needs to be pinned eod.....250/week is not enough.....500mg/wk will be fine.....I dont like clomid for pct....nolvadex works better imo and you use a lower dose and it has less sides....get some aromasin instead of the arimidex....hcg can help but not mandatory for this cycle....no need for the dbol but if you must then use it starting at week 4 and run it for 4 weeks.....you will see better results....sorry for the bad sentence structure....

Nice Post !!! A long ester might be better Cyp or Enth

But X2 on tex's input

[hyperlite32]

What Praetorian said...

[tex]

I change my mind on the nolvadex after more reading. clomid ftw on long cycles....

[beretta96]

thanks for the advice guys. I'm 6'0 225# at 18%bf and 35 years old. Been training off and on since high school but have been 4-5 days a week with a buddy from work for the last year. My bf was at 34% and now 18% and stuck at all my exercises for some time now. Diet is in check 160grms lean protein a day with one shake and about 150grms carbs and 50grms fat.

[Big D]

the guys hooked you up with some good info, good luck on the cycle.

[beretta96]

I'll try to get test e but it doesn't sound like much of an option. I'd also like to have nolvadex and clomid on hand as well, but I may only be able to get clomid for now.

I"m OK with pinning more often if I have to, but may I ask why? I've read it's OK at weekly intervals.

Also, many of you have suggested dbol starting at week 4. I always thought it was used to start a cycle? Can you explain this to me?

thanks again,

[tex]

double the protein...160gm is not enough on cycle....

as far as the pinning....sust has test prop in it...test prop needs to be injected eod at very least or hormone levels will be all over the place and you will get water retention and other estro sides more easily.....

as far as the reasoning behind the dbol starting at week 4....at week 4 the test will be stable in your blood and you will get maximum effect of the dbol......you will thank us when you are lifting like a beast.....

[beretta96]

sounds good, thanks for the info and will do!