Clen/ Ephedrine question.

[HardWood]

Ok, I've done quite a bit of study on this and have tried both over time. Now I'm familiar with the concept of receptors becoming bound up with each of these substances thus requireing ever higher doseages but my question is could a guy go on an eca stack for say a week and then clen for the next week? Are they different receptors? And yes I'm familiar with the stuff they call ketotifen but my source dosen't carry it nor have I seen it on other guys lists. obviously i could come up with some if i dug around a bit. But...any ideas here? Also would ketotifen keep ephedrine doses effective like it does for clen?

[Praetorian]

Ok, I've done quite a bit of study on this and have tried both over time. Now I'm familiar with the concept of receptors becoming bound up with each of these substances thus requireing ever higher doseages but my question is could a guy go on an eca stack for say a week and then clen for the next week? Are they different receptors? And yes I'm familiar with the stuff they call ketotifen but my source dosen't carry it nor have I seen it on other guys lists. obviously i could come up with some if i dug around a bit. But...any ideas here? Also would ketotifen keep ephedrine doses effective like it does for clen?

Clen is a beta 2 specific agonist, ephedra is a beta agonist but not specific to type 2 receptors(this is why it is considered a stimulant and clen is not). Thus both will act on the beta 2 receptor however clen works far better than ephedra...here in lies the problem Ephedra now is competing with clen for the same receptor and thus your overall fat loss is being hampered severely. Ketotifen will not do much anyways so I consider it a waste of money. All you need is clen and a decent slow ramp up to 120mcg ED.
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[nisser]

So you wouldn't recommend cycling clen and eca every 2 weeks?

[cdnsoldier]

Clen is a beta 2 specific agonist, ephedra is a beta agonist but not specific to type 2 receptors(this is why it is considered a stimulant and clen is not). Thus both will act on the beta 2 receptor however clen works far better than ephedra...here in lies the problem Ephedra now is competing with clen for the same receptor and thus your overall fat loss is being hampered severely. Ketotifen will not do much anyways so I consider it a waste of money. All you need is clen and a decent slow ramp up to 120mcg ED.
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This is a good post.
Nisser- use clen on it's own. You don't need the ephedrine while on Clen.

[Praetorian]

So you wouldn't recommend cycling clen and eca every 2 weeks?

That would be defeating the purpose.
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[nisser]

How long can you use clen for then?

[hyperlite32]

As long as you feel the effects. Once the effects drop off, you need to either up the dose or take some time off. Then repeat.

[HardWood]

Thanks for the help here guys. My ramp up is a little tough here though as my clen tabs are 50mcg so taking one more than usual is a big jump. Ignorant me when I first got them I was like "cool, clen!" and promptly downed 2 (100mcg) tabs right then and there, oh I did not feel well...
Clen may not be classified as a stimulant but it definitly makes you feel something and I personaly dont really like the feeling but I've learned to tolerate it as I'm commited to this cutting. Conversly I do like the buzz I get from ephedrine I've had had cardio workouts on ephedrine that border on the transendental. Just sweating and flying through space and time.

[Praetorian]

How long can you use clen for then?

You can run it 16 weeks without issue. The effects you feel are temporary...they will dissipate but that doesnt mean its not working.
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[Praetorian]

Thanks for the help here guys. My ramp up is a little tough here though as my clen tabs are 50mcg so taking one more than usual is a big jump. Ignorant me when I first got them I was like "cool, clen!" and promptly downed 2 (100mcg) tabs right then and there, oh I did not feel well...
Clen may not be classified as a stimulant but it definitly makes you feel something and I personaly dont really like the feeling but I've learned to tolerate it as I'm commited to this cutting. Conversly I do like the buzz I get from ephedrine I've had had cardio workouts on ephedrine that border on the transendental. Just sweating and flying through space and time.

Break the tabs in half...take 25mcg only at one time. The feeling you are getting is lowered blood pressure. Clen will lower your blood pressure and then your heart will try to compensate by beating faster. It is best to ramp up slowly ie start at 40-50mcg ED in divided doses and increase the dose every two weeks by 20-25mcg. You dont need to go above 120mcg ED.
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[HardWood]

Thank you, Been reading your posts, Praetorian you know your stuff!

[nisser]

Thanks Praet. I'm gonna do a 3week PCT soon. I was thinking of taking 40-60mcg clen spread throughtout the day during PCT then cut cautiously for 6-8 weeks (I only need to lose maybe 5-6lbs at most). You think clen will be effective enough for that entire duration?

[Praetorian]

Thanks Praet. I'm gonna do a 3week PCT soon. I was thinking of taking 40-60mcg clen spread throughtout the day during PCT then cut cautiously for 6-8 weeks (I only need to lose maybe 5-6lbs at most). You think clen will be effective enough for that entire duration?

Yes it will be effective for that duration if you ramp it up slowly...20mcg every two weeks. Is a tough call to diet right after PCT...easy to drop muscle doing that.
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[force]

You can run it 16 weeks without issue. The effects you feel are temporary...they will dissipate but that doesnt mean its not working.
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Good post, I have been arguing with ppl for god knows how long trying to tell them not to cycle on and off clen...just keep taking it. I have run it daily for entire summers and it never stops working.

2 weeks on, 2 off, EOD, 2 days on, 2 off etc etc. total stupidity there, very counter-productive.

F.