AAS, fasted cardio?

[InPursuitOfPerfection]

hi, i currently have bf of between 20-23%(i know this is high) and i am wondering about fatsed AM cardio. I currently just started a prop only cycle
@ 75mgED. Im considering doing between 45-60min every morning. Should catabolism be something to be worried about with my high bf currently and the use of AAS???

i want to get down below 15%

[hyperlite32]

You should be fine. Depending on your diet.

[InPursuitOfPerfection]

its basically a 40/40/20 diet

[InPursuitOfPerfection]

about 500-1000 cals below maintainance depending on the day and how my energy levels feel

[JonnyO]

Dont worry about it you'll be fine. At ovr 20% bodyfat catabolism should be your last worry, not that its an issue.

[tex]

just take 5-10gm bcaa's before the cardio....maybe 1/2 scoop whey with it.....

[hyperlite32]

I would go on a empty stomach...

[Redz]

Empty stomache cardio is the ultimate fat burner.

[theboss]

@ 20 % body fat i wouldnt be touching any AAS..........

diet and do cardio and get down below 15% before using any gear.

[bigdaddydrew123]

studies are showing postworkout cardio is superior to am fasted cardio

[theboss]

studies are showing postworkout cardio is superior to am fasted cardio

no shit? any links to these studies?

if so...how long can the workout go before cardio and when is best to have a shake...after workout & before cardio....or just after cardio then?

[daande]

studies are showing postworkout cardio is superior to am fasted cardio

I could see that just because it keeps your heartrate up longer...But then again when do you cross the point where you start burning muscle then?

[InPursuitOfPerfection]

@ 20 % body fat i wouldnt be touching any AAS..........

diet and do cardio and get down below 15% before using any gear.

yea, that is the common thought...just let me be the first to say " i personally dont agree!" although i do understand the complications that could arise... estro sides for me have never been an issue... ive cycled before, and i have all ancilleries if i need them. To each his own.

good lookin out though.

[Ron Partlow]

I think fasted AM cardio is grossly over-rated and I haven't done any for many years. I do all my cardio either post workout, or before my last meal of the day. First thing i do when I get up is eat.

It all comes down to calories and having the diet set up correctly. If the diet is set up right, your golden.

[Ritch]

^^^ Good to know. Was thinking of adding a cardio session a couple of days a week and was debating this question.

[bigdaddydrew123]

I could see that just because it keeps your heartrate up longer...But then again when do you cross the point where you start burning muscle then?
your more catabolic at am fasted cardio than any other time of day,no food for 8 plus hours versus half that amount of time.post workout youve deplted glycogen and are into your fat stores more quickly

[bigdaddydrew123]

no shit? any links to these studies?

if so...how long can the workout go before cardio and when is best to have a shake...after workout & before cardio....or just after cardio then?i always had my shake after cardio,you dont want to add nourishment after weights you want to tap into your fat stores not burn up the calories you just ingested

[rob66679]

@ 20 % body fat i wouldnt be touching any AAS..........

diet and do cardio and get down below 15% before using any gear.
^^^^^
Why???

[tex]

higher bodyfat could mean more estrogen sides......

[O-Train]

I think fasted AM cardio is grossly over-rated and I haven't done any for many years. I do all my cardio either post workout, or before my last meal of the day. First thing i do when I get up is eat.

It all comes down to calories and having the diet set up correctly. If the diet is set up right, your golden.

I'm glad you're posting more Ron.

I have a lot of other comments I want to make regarding the rest of this thread. I've decided to keep them to myself...sigh.

[4031]

studies are showing postworkout cardio is superior to am fasted cardio

yes, but what about being in the gym for an excessively long time? Your testosterone levels will decrease after an hour or so in the gym, which can be catabolic, guess that dont matter if your on AAS?

[JonnyO]

your more catabolic at am fasted cardio than any other time of day,no food for 8 plus hours versus half that amount of time.post workout youve deplted glycogen and are into your fat stores more quickly

your body isnt going to burn muscle over fat as a prefered source of fuel....

[JonnyO]

yes, but what about being in the gym for an excessively long time? Your testosterone levels will decrease after an hour or so in the gym, which can be catabolic, guess that dont matter if your on AAS?

Seems to be the way a lot of Nutrition guys of his caliber do things too as below and makes sense.

By Chris Aceto:

cardio:

Best time for cardio is before meal 1. It all boils down to blood sugar levels. When they are low from obviously not eating during the nite, the body more readily taps body fat as fuel. I dont like cardio too much after training because tagging the session onto your weight training kills anabolic hormones...the ones you need to repair your body from training. Intensity; I have always preferred higher intensity unless the bodybuilder is already really lean, then he risks "running his body into the ground". At that point, I will have him switch to lower intensity cardio.

[L3]

yes, but what about being in the gym for an excessively long time? Your testosterone levels will decrease after an hour or so in the gym, which can be catabolic, guess that dont matter if your on AAS?

this is why i lol at people doing cardio post workout

[LIVEHARD]

studies are showing postworkout cardio is superior to am fasted cardio

Agreed I did both Post is great 20-30 low intencity cardio I'm getting way better results since I train in the am It works better for me eat train cardio eat rest !!

[Ron Partlow]

Everyone is afraid of burning muscle.....that's why most guys don't get ripped enough. I would MUCH rather do things my way, and do my cardio when I feel like it (post workout) then do it before breakfast. it works just fine. It's 99% diet anyway. if your diet sucks then cardio is completely pointless anyway.

[nisser]

yes, but what about being in the gym for an excessively long time? Your testosterone levels will decrease after an hour or so in the gym, which can be catabolic, guess that dont matter if your on AAS?

so do 40 min of weights and 20 min cardio and problem solved.

[bigdaddydrew123]

your body isnt going to burn muscle over fat as a prefered source of fuel....
thats true,the differences are probably miniscule anyway so,as ron said diet is the key,so do your cardio when you feel like it,if your not a mourning person why bother dragging your ass out of bed for a perceived advantage,i like to get everything done in one trip to the gym,have never found a reason to change it,sometimes we overthink things that in the end wont make a bit of difference.so do your cardio when it works gfor you,at least your doing it

[Ritch]

Alright, now I`m confused, lol.

[Praetorian]

hi, i currently have bf of between 20-23%(i know this is high) and i am wondering about fatsed AM cardio. I currently just started a prop only cycle
@ 75mgED. Im considering doing between 45-60min every morning. Should catabolism be something to be worried about with my high bf currently and the use of AAS???

i want to get down below 15%

Cardio should always be done in a fasted state...either first thing am or post training. If you are using aas catabolism is not a factor. I woudl also suggest a keto diet to speed fat loss.
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[hyperlite32]

Try differant things like tweaking your diet, and change up times of cardio to :



SEE WHAT WORKS FOR YOU!!

[InPursuitOfPerfection]

thanks alot bros... alot of great info here... ive started fasted cardio, so im gonna stick with that for a few weeks and see how it works out... i may even just toss in 15-20 min PWO on the treadmill low-med intensity as well once my fat loss slown down a bit. Like you guys say "diet really is the key" Everyone has there own personal taste when it comes to cardio. What i gather though is that the difference really is negligable if any between fasted am cardio and post weight training cardio(assuming you keep it brief and low intensity). Also like one of you said "as long as your doing it" thats all thats really important. i really appreciate all the responses... good to know theres a place to ask questions when you need to

cheers!!!

[Ron Partlow]

I think being in a negative calorie deficit is the bottom line. The only rule I have is that I don't do my cardio right after I eat carbs. So post workout before eating anything, or before my last meal, since my last 2 meals while dieting are usually just protein anyway.

I know Aceto likes fasted cardio, and there are studies that support it as "most effective", but I am a much happier person and find the diet about 10X easier without it. I get more sleep, and my workouts are better if I just get up, have a meal or two, then train.

I've done lots of fasted cardio for a couple shows and looked and placed my worst, then done zero morning cardio and won my class, and been shredded several times. I just am of the opinion that it is way over-rated.

Some people actually like it.....go ahead then.
Ron

[logicborn]

Everyone is afraid of burning muscle.....that's why most guys don't get ripped enough. I would MUCH rather do things my way, and do my cardio when I feel like it (post workout) then do it before breakfast. it works just fine. It's 99% diet anyway. if your diet sucks then cardio is completely pointless anyway.


The man has a valid point, and this is something I have learned the hard way recently!!! We are too quick to up our cardio and start taking gear when we don't have the fundamentals in place. Anyway here is a link that debunks the myth of fasted cardio... Now I sleep in :)


http://www.alanaragon.com/myths-under-the-microscope-part-2-false-hopes-for-fasted-cardio.html

[Praetorian]

On a keto diet fasted cardio is ideal...on a low carb low fat diet not so much.
The reason being the energy source used...ketones vs glucose.
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[InPursuitOfPerfection]

well ive been doing both lol... am cardio fasted as well as 30 min PWO just low intensity... my re-weigh is this sunday... ill post the results in my log, see how its workin out.

cheers to all the bros who provided input on the subject...

[St]

your more catabolic at am fasted cardio than any other time of day,no food for 8 plus hours versus half that amount of time.post workout youve deplted glycogen and are into your fat stores more quickly

Yep you got it right 100%.