GH for young(er) guys

[L3]

looking to make the most of my PCT starting Oct 16th, 09.

I am considering using 2iu ED for ~6 months until april 1st 2010 when my next cycle starts.

Question: I am turning 22, is there any point to using the GH since theoretically i am still producing it naturally at a good rate?

appreciate the input!

[deleteduser0002]

The consensus generally is no. Not at 2iu's a day at your age. If you wanted to run it in much higher amounts for mass....then maybe. I'd say don't waste your money.

[Praetorian]

You dont need Gh yet at your age...as well you are still producing tonnes of test so gear is not needed either.
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[L3]

thanks guys!

[JonnyO]

I'm with Prae....hell you might not even need to use PCT could just come off. There is an arguement...IS PCT A MYTH???

[L3]

^^ ok will try it and let you know how it goes

[Merc63]

Ya I wouldn't bother with GH its a waste of money at your age IMO. You will get better results putting that coin back into your next cycle.

[Jmany]

I'm with Prae....hell you might not even need to use PCT could just come off. There is an arguement...IS PCT A MYTH???

I think PCT is a myth unless you are 40-50 years old, running hella tons of compounds and what not.

Ive heard of guys running armidex/nolva/HCG with thier "test + dbol" cycles, hell even just test only, and i laugh.. waste of money imo unless your rockin some tren/deca etc. or just go on for 20 weeks

[deleteduser0001]

I'm with Prae....hell you might not even need to use PCT could just come off. There is an arguement...IS PCT A MYTH???

how do you figure?

his balls shut down just like a 30 or 50 year old. he's gotta jump start them the same way.

[Jmany]

how do you figure?

his balls shut down just like a 30 or 50 year old. he's gotta jump start them the same way.

"his balls shut down like a 30 or 50 year old"

but

"his balls fire up like a 21 year old"

[deleteduser0002]

I agree with Jmany...to a point. I did a few cycles when I was young (late teens and early twenties) and never ran pct...never even heard of it.lol. I recovered no problem at all. But I do find that now that I'm in my mid thirties I have a much harder time recovering.

[tex]

bad advice.

[L3]

my attempt at sarcasm

^^ ok will try it and let you know how it goes

i will be using a PCT protocol outlined by gus and adding whatever OTC boosters i can get my hands on....i WILL NOT loose a single pound of LBM... mmmmmmm simple carbs here i come

[Jmany]

I agree with Jmany...to a point. I did a few cycles when I was young (late teens and early twenties) and never ran pct...never even heard of it.lol. I recovered no problem at all. But I do find that now that I'm in my mid thirties I have a much harder time recovering.

Absolutely, im not totally bashing PCT though too. Just saying i dont think some guys realize you need some estrogen to help keep gains and stay strong..

Right now im running Test at around 650ish mg a week, with 50mg drol. Still kinda sitting on the fence as to what im gonna do after, its a 12 week cycle so not overly long.. I do have some pharm grade tamox. sittin around though so i run them for the hell of it. and i constantly just run the tribulus while im off, its cheap as dirt i guess so might as well.

[JonnyO]

Hmm too bad, because I wasnt being sarcastic in one least bit.

One arguement is PCT are "drugs" and basically delaying the innevitable, as you will find out. You will lose some weight so dont think you wont, thats guaranteed!

[L3]

Just saying i dont think some guys realize you need some estrogen to help keep gains and stay strong.


the way i understand it is i will have waaaaaaaaaayyy too much estrogen in the system, the PCT drugs will help reduce the level but never eliminate it completley


You will lose some weight so dont think you wont, thats guaranteed!

yes you are right i misspoke in my earlier post, i meant to say, i will do my ****ing best to not loose a single pound of LBM, waterweight will come off that is for sure

[GYMBRAT]

You dont need Gh yet at your age...as well you are still producing tonnes of test so gear is not needed either.
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..well said Praetorion!! There is no hurry..

[mxer_kx]

Why not go with peptides? Instead of blunting your own natural (high) gh productions with exogenous gh you could boost your own production with peptdies... i personally am 24(in nov) and am using 50 mcg cjc and 100 mcg ghrp-2 3 x a day and am LOVING it , getting crazy results running with just some test, and will continue on through pct

[L3]

Why not go with peptides?

considered it but have not yet seen enough conclusive information that i wont grown a 4th leg

[Jmany]

What is your cycle than?
Are you experiencing gyno?

i can understand estro blockers if your actually getting gyno, but if your not getting gyno and feel fine... Eff it do whatever you want 5 weeks from now im buying flintstones' vitamins, ripping off the label, writing clomid on it and runnin those bad boys! :beer

[tex]

Go for it! I had the misfortune of getting a few vials of oil that were supposed to be test e......had already been on cycle for 10 weeks and was up considerable weight/strength and then over a 3 week period I lost 15+ lbs.....I was bitchy and chest was itchy......so did I recover fully? Dont think so.....I probably should have just done pct but I doubled up on some iranian test and was all happy again in a week or 2......if you young guys wanna roll the dice with no pct, thats fine with me....but my 30 yr old ass is on hcg, clomid and aromasin ftw

[Big D]

I know i few guys that never do pct, just plain time off and alot of food is the best pct. thats what they say.

[varking]

Ok guys I am 22 yrs old too... And I run pct its cheap soo why not keep the anti-e`s going while on pct tits will be fine... And for the hgh if it was me try the pept. I will be trying this before Hgh I think hgh should be run at 30yrs Plus you could run 10ius a day and gain but you will be spending alot of cash on gh that could get you the same gains on some gear..

[Tballs]

.as well you are still producing tonnes of test so gear is not needed either.
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i hate statement like that. most likely hypocritical.

[Praetorian]

I think PCT is a myth unless you are 40-50 years old, running hella tons of compounds and what not.

Ive heard of guys running armidex/nolva/HCG with thier "test + dbol" cycles, hell even just test only, and i laugh.. waste of money imo unless your rockin some tren/deca etc. or just go on for 20 weeks

PCT is crucial as you get older but it is an individual thing. At 27 I would recover without any asisstance in 2-3 weeks and blood work was all normal....at 35 HCG and Clomid helped alot...at 41...without HCG forget about recovering period.
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[Praetorian]

i hate statement like that. most likely hypocritical.

Yes you probably do hate that statement along with tonnes of other younger guys. But the fact of the matter is gear is completely unecessary at that age. As for hypocritical you are furthest from the truth. I was 5'11 175lbs at 17 years old when i started training...at 26 I was 240lbs without ever touching gear...I started about 6 months later and was 275 in 16 weeks. Most guys using gear that young arent even 200lbs clean.
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[Tballs]

Most guys using gear that young arent even 200lbs clean.
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i wasnt calling you out personaly. i myself didnt start gear till after i was done playin ball(25). most people dont reach there genetic max. but wether someone who hasnt reached there max is 21 or 31 it doesnt matter.

[Praetorian]

i wasnt calling you out personaly. i myself didnt start gear till after i was done playin ball(25). most people dont reach there genetic max. but wether someone who hasnt reached there max is 21 or 31 it doesnt matter.

Well is does matter actually. Starting gear too early will stunt overall growth because of the limiting factor associated with drugs(unless you are genetically gifted). There is really no need to add aas to a body already producing a high amount of test. The idea being get as far as you can naturally within reason....then if there is a chance to actually excell add aas and move to the next level. The problem is guys want everything now...its a microwave society...nobody wants to put in the effort anymore...just instant gratification. Guys cant even bench their bodyweight and they are on gear...please. Look at most elite level athletes whether they are sprinters, powerlifters, olympic lifers, MMA etc...most excelled far before they ever touched any gear. The gear was as posted earlier icing on the cake...you dont take an average joe and make him an elite athete by giving him gear...all he becomes is an above avergae joe.
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[Jmany]

PCT is crucial as you get older but it is an individual thing. At 27 I would recover without any asisstance in 2-3 weeks and blood work was all normal....at 35 HCG and Clomid helped alot...at 41...without HCG forget about recovering period.
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For sure... next spring I am thinking about tren for pre contest, and will be investing in some HCG/nolva for sure.