Contest Prep Cycle

[Blitz-Test]

Okay I have never competed in bodybuilding, I am a gym rat, I know what each steroid does, and I know alot about training and diet... I do some personal training with some potential athletes... I have been training this one guy for about 1 1/2 years he has made great progress, however now he wants to compete and needs help designing his prep cycle, since I have never done it I need some opinions I have already done his diet just working on the cycle....

This is what I have layed out

15-6 Testosterone Enanthate 500mg/week
5-3 Testosterone Propionate 500mg/week

15-6 Trenbolone Enanthate 400mg/week
5-1 Trenbolone Acetate 400mg/week

4-2 Winstrol 30mg/ed
1 Winstrol 50mg/ed

4-3 Letrozole 1.25mg/ed
2 Letrozole 2.5mg/ed
1 Letrozole 3.75mg/ed

6-2 Clen (Dose by Tolerance) (Optional)


My thought process when designing this
Testosterone is a must as a base in every cycle

He bloats heavily on test and thus I cut it out a little early and take in a heavy AI close to contest, I kept test dose low.

Trenbolone is an amazing anti-catabolic and thus should help greatly with maintaining muscle mass

Winstrol should really help cut some additional water before the show giving a hard grainy look

Clen as a final fat burner to help get to proper bf percent...



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Just a couple notes he is currently about 205-210lb, at about 10-11%
He plans to compete at the 185lb division


Any obvious problems or things that can be tweaked?

[daande]

how long until his contest? What about:

Weeks 1-12: Test Prop 75mg ED
Weeks 1-10: Tren Ace 50mg ED
Weeks 6-12: Winstrol 50mg ED

Clen/ECA 1 week on 1 week off.

[JonnyO]

No need for the tren enth, I would run something like test Enth or Sust along with EQ or Deca up until 6-8 weeks out then switch to fast acting Prop. He could also run some Primo the whole time to the show, this helps retain muscle I find.

Here is my current cycle, hasnt changed much but dosages slightly.

8 weeks out:
Prop, Primo, Proviron, Arim, Anavar, Anadrol, GH, T3, Clen.

5 weeks out add:
Tren

4 weeks out add:
Winstrol, Masteron

This looks like a lot of gear and it is but my dosages are what a woman would take put it that way.

[Praetorian]

Okay I have never competed in bodybuilding, I am a gym rat, I know what each steroid does, and I know alot about training and diet... I do some personal training with some potential athletes... I have been training this one guy for about 1 1/2 years he has made great progress, however now he wants to compete and needs help designing his prep cycle, since I have never done it I need some opinions I have already done his diet just working on the cycle....

This is what I have layed out

15-6 Testosterone Enanthate 500mg/week
5-3 Testosterone Propionate 500mg/week
RUN THE ENANTHATE STRAIGHT THRU..YOU WONT SEE ANY BENEFIT SWITCHING TO PROP AT THAT TIME

15-6 Trenbolone Enanthate 400mg/week
5-1 Trenbolone Acetate 400mg/week
NO NEED TO RUN TREN THAT LONG...RUN IT 8 WEEKS OUT TO THE SHOW..USE TREN ACE

4-2 Winstrol 30mg/ed
1 Winstrol 50mg/ed
RUN THE WINNY STARTING 6 WEEKS OUT AT 50MG ED...LAST WEEK BUMP TO 100MG ED

4-3 Letrozole 1.25mg/ed
2 Letrozole 2.5mg/ed
1 Letrozole 3.75mg/ed
RUN THE AI FROM THE START RIGHT TO THE SHOW...1.25MG EOD IS FINE...LAST FEW WEKS BUMP TO ED...YOU NEVER NEED TO GO OVER 2.5MGS

6-2 Clen (Dose by Tolerance) (Optional)
CLEN SHOULD BE RUN FROM THE START RIGHT TO THE SHOW....20MCG TWICE DAILY INCREASING BY 20MCG EVERY TWO WEEKS UNTIL YOU HIT 120MCG ED..THEN LEAVE IT THERE TO THE SHOW


My thought process when designing this
Testosterone is a must as a base in every cycle
YES

He bloats heavily on test and thus I cut it out a little early and take in a heavy AI close to contest, I kept test dose low.
NEVER CUT IT OUT, JUST RUN AI FROM START

Trenbolone is an amazing anti-catabolic and thus should help greatly with maintaining muscle mass
TEST WILL DO THIS JUST FINE...TREN ISNT NECESSARY...USE IT LAST 8 WEEKS ONLY

Winstrol should really help cut some additional water before the show giving a hard grainy look YES

Clen as a final fat burner to help get to proper bf percent...
NOT FINAL...TOO LITTLE TOO LATE...START FROM DAY ONE



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Just a couple notes he is currently about 205-210lb, at about 10-11%
He plans to compete at the 185lb division PROBABLY BE CLOSE TO 170-175 IF HE GETS SHREDDED


Any obvious problems or things that can be tweaked?

P

[Blitz-Test]

P

Thanks alot you don't know how helpful this is..

You said run enanthate straight through because I wont see any benefit switching should I use prop alone then or switch to it earilier or just use enanthate?

Is there a specific reason to use Acetate or Enanthate on the trenbolone??

So this is what you think would be best?

15-1 Testosterone 500mg/week
8-1 Trenbolone 400mg/week
6-2 Winstrol 50mg/ed
1 Winstrol 100mg/ed
15-4 Letro 1.25mg/eod
3-1 Letro 1.25mg/ed

15-14 Clen 40mcg/ed
13-12 Clen 60mcg/ed
11-10 Clen 80mcg/ed
9-8 Clen 100mcg/ed
7-1 Clen 120mcg/ed


What are your thoughts on T3? He is asking me about using diuretics like Alcadone (?sp) I dont know anything about these I told him I dont really wanna give him advise on these.. He wants to run it 100mg/ed for the last week

[daande]

He could use T3. I have read that when using Tren you should take t3 because it lowers your t3 output.

[Praetorian]

Thanks alot you don't know how helpful this is..

You said run enanthate straight through because I wont see any benefit switching should I use prop alone then or switch to it earilier or just use enanthate? JUST USE ENANTHATE WITH AN AI...NO REASON TO USE PROP

Is there a specific reason to use Acetate or Enanthate on the trenbolone??
YES TREN ACE IS MUCH BETTER

So this is what you think would be best?

15-1 Testosterone 500mg/week
8-1 Trenbolone 400mg/week
6-2 Winstrol 50mg/ed
1 Winstrol 100mg/ed
15-4 Letro 1.25mg/eod
3-1 Letro 1.25mg/ed

15-14 Clen 40mcg/ed
13-12 Clen 60mcg/ed
11-10 Clen 80mcg/ed
9-8 Clen 100mcg/ed
7-1 Clen 120mcg/ed
LOOKS FINE...THE LETRO MAY BE A BIT HIGH ON ONLY 500MG TEST...IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE INDIVIDUALS SENSITIVITY TO ESTROGEN YOU COULD IT IN HALF AND SEE HOW THAT GOES FIRST...500MG TEST WONT AROMATIZE MUCH


What are your thoughts on T3? He is asking me about using diuretics like Alcadone (?sp) I dont know anything about these I told him I dont really wanna give him advise on these.. He wants to run it 100mg/ed for the last week T3 WORKS WELL WITH CLEN...START AT 25MCG ED AND INCREASE BY 12.5 MCG EVERY TWO WEEKS UNTIL YOU HIT 75MCG ED (SPLIT THE DOSE) THEN LEAVE IT THERE THROUGH THE SHOW

NEVER, EVER, USE ALDACTONE....HUGE MISTAKE...IT WILL LEAVE YOU FLAT AND LOOKING LIKE HELL...GET DYAZIDE 2 TABS IS ALL U NEED

[Blitz-Test]

T3 WORKS WELL WITH CLEN...START AT 25MCG ED AND INCREASE BY 12.5 MCG EVERY TWO WEEKS UNTIL YOU HIT 75MCG ED (SPLIT THE DOSE) THEN LEAVE IT THERE THROUGH THE SHOW

NEVER, EVER, USE ALDACTONE....HUGE MISTAKE...IT WILL LEAVE YOU FLAT AND LOOKING LIKE HELL...GET DYAZIDE 2 TABS IS ALL U NEED


Triazide and Dyazide is the same thing correct? Triamterene 50mg, Hydrochlorothiazide 25mg?

So 2 tabs, 1 the night before the show and 1 the morning of?

[Praetorian]

He could use T3. I have read that when using Tren you should take t3 because it lowers your t3 output.

You heard wrong.
P

[Praetorian]

Triazide and Dyazide is the same thing correct? Triamterene 50mg, Hydrochlorothiazide 25mg?

So 2 tabs, 1 the night before the show and 1 the morning of?

Dyazide is Triamterene and HCTZ yes. Triazide is the Canadian generic brand but yes the same.
1/2 tab 6pm friday (drink water till 8pm)
1/2 tab 11:30 pm friday before bed
1/2 tab 5am sat
1/2 tab saturday after prejudging with lunch and 6oz water
P

[St]

Dyazide is Triamterene and HCTZ yes. Triazide is the Canadian generic brand but yes the same.
1/2 tab 6pm friday (drink water till 8pm)
1/2 tab 11:30 pm friday before bed
1/2 tab 5am sat
1/2 tab saturday after prejudging with lunch and 6oz water
P

Best Diuretic i ever used,no cramp water comes out steady,not like most all at once then nothing after that.
Aldactone was okay looked soft,but not for me.
Lasix was great,but the cramps were just bad,ate Potato like mad.The second time i took Lasix on a hot June show 30 degress,and i was Nausea,and was close to Vomiting.Shit Even Laura Benetti came up to me and asked if i was okay,and she told me to grab a water out of the Cooler and drinks some,nice lady.
Next show will be Dyazide again.

[natenator]

Blitz: maybe you should tell this guy to hire someone with specific knowledge on contest prep. I'd be very concerned to learn that guy who is helping me is getting his info second hand through a bodybuilding forum...

[Blitz-Test]

Blitz: maybe you should tell this guy to hire someone with specific knowledge on contest prep. I'd be very concerned to learn that guy who is helping me is getting his info second hand through a bodybuilding forum...

I did, I told him that I wasnt really qualified, he told me he trusted my opinion so I said I would ask other people, and this would all be done for free... I am definately not charging him when P has done most of the work...

I definately have the training and diet down for him, however just a little rough about the cycling... Anyways the cycle is only going to enhance the diet and training program I have designed

[Praetorian]

Best Diuretic i ever used,no cramp water comes out steady,not like most all at once then nothing after that.
Aldactone was okay looked soft,but not for me.
Lasix was great,but the cramps were just bad,ate Potato like mad.The second time i took Lasix on a hot June show 30 degress,and i was Nausea,and was close to Vomiting.Shit Even Laura Benetti came up to me and asked if i was okay,and she told me to grab a water out of the Cooler and drinks some,nice lady.
Next show will be Dyazide again.

What you should do is ask yourself the question why...did these effects occur. Heres the kicker...guys will take a diuretic with no Fu**ing clue as to how or what it does...and then blame their condition on something like lack of carbs, holding water or some BS like that.
Learn why things work as they do and youll then understand why NOT to use either Lasix or Aldactone.
P

[drdnj]

What you should do is ask yourself the question why...did these effects occur. Heres the kicker...guys will take a diuretic with no Fu**ing clue as to how or what it does...and then blame their condition on something like lack of carbs, holding water or some BS like that.
Learn why things work as they do and youll then understand why NOT to use either Lasix or Aldactone.
P

And Kudos to you P, GREAT ADVICE! ......thats exactly why I am working with you right now! I have had some pretty sketchy experiences on stage after taking Lasix.

[ironwill]

T3 WORKS WELL WITH CLEN...START AT 25MCG ED AND INCREASE BY 12.5 MCG EVERY TWO WEEKS UNTIL YOU HIT 75MCG ED (SPLIT THE DOSE) THEN LEAVE IT THERE THROUGH THE SHOW

NEVER, EVER, USE ALDACTONE....HUGE MISTAKE...IT WILL LEAVE YOU FLAT AND LOOKING LIKE HELL...GET DYAZIDE 2 TABS IS ALL U NEED
aldactone flattened me right out and couldnt carb up or fill out for 3 days after ether...he is right about the aldactone and warned me also, i didnt have anything else and the warning came to late to change it up, so i learned and will agree with Prae wholeheartedly...dont use aldactone....
i researched the shit out of it and had a bunch of opinions on different types to use, and i had a prescription for aldactone and drs advice how to use, he was way wrong and didnt even understand it made salt leave the body, and hard to get bach in and was an aldesterone inhibitor as well....i learned and gagged, and dry heaved backstage and freaked myself out, and never, ever again, and im hiring aq guy with a tonne of experience to help me next yr, not gym guy with a good eye...lolol...

[JonnyO]

Yup Aldactone is the worst choice but so many guys still use it hell knows why. Diazides all one needs and it does a hell of a job.

[Praetorian]

Aldactone or Spironolactone inhibits the effect of aldosterone by competing for intracellular aldosterone receptors in the distal tubule cells (it actually works on aldosterone receptors in the collecting duct). This increases the excretion of water and sodium, while decreasing the excretion of potassium. Spironolactone has a fairly slow onset of action, taking several days to develop, and similarly the effect diminishes slowly. This is why it has to be run for several day prior to a show and the very reason you flatten out because of the amount of sodium lost and the inability to reabsorb it. By not being able to reabsorb sodium you are left with flat, deflated muscles, the inability to properly carb up (requires sodium)and little to no vascularity. Not what you want for a BB show.
P

[jaws]

Aldactone or Spironolactone inhibits the effect of aldosterone by competing for intracellular aldosterone receptors in the distal tubule cells (it actually works on aldosterone receptors in the collecting duct). This increases the excretion of water and sodium, while decreasing the excretion of potassium. Spironolactone has a fairly slow onset of action, taking several days to develop, and similarly the effect diminishes slowly. This is why it has to be run for several day prior to a show and the very reason you flatten out because of the amount of sodium lost and the inability to reabsorb it. By not being able to reabsorb sodium you are left with flat, deflated muscles, the inability to properly carb up (requires sodium)and little to no vascularity. Not what you want for a BB show.
P


BUMP!

I like the replys about how people found dyazide better over aldactone, Lasix is harsh and dangerous if you don't know how to administer it properly..

[jaws]

Just wondering how will sodium intake while taking dyz affect things should you go as low as you can with sodium intake when or would it depend on how smooth/flat you are looking?