My first cycle

[cprom185]

1-6 weeks 30mg/day Dbol
1-8 weeks 500mg/week Test E or Test Cyp not sure yet
Will have Arimidex just incase
PCT:Going to start the PCT 2 weeks after last injection

40/40/40/20/20 Nolvadex
100/100/50/50/50 Clomid
HCG 5 1000IU's injections over a 2 week period starting week 7 after the last dbol dose is taken.



Does that look decent? What should I change or add or even take away?

Also I was going to use Teragon labs but i heard they got shut down so is there stuff legit still? or crap?

[Staffie111]

Run your test E for at least 12 weeks , you ll be much happier. Takes about 6 weeks to start seeing results with test Enanthate.

[cprom185]

Run your test E for at least 12 weeks , you ll be much happier. Takes about 6 weeks to start seeing results with test Enanthate.
Do you recommend any certain brand to go with?

[GYMBRAT]

whats your age, stats, goals, diet like?

.......switch out your long ester Enan with some short ester Prop, or as S111 said push the Enan out to 12+ wks, and shorten up the d-bol to around 4-5 wks
I'd also run either 1 or the other of the Nolv/Clomid, depends on how you'll react with either one, I prefer to just keep Nolva on hand in case.

....what did I leave out, any other ideas?

[Retics]

I used test-400 an was very happy with the results

[cprom185]

whats your age, stats, goals, diet like?

.......switch out your long ester Enan with some short ester Prop, or as S111 said push the Enan out to 12+ wks, and shorten up the d-bol to around 4-5 wks
I'd also run either 1 or the other of the Nolv/Clomid, depends on how you'll react with either one, I prefer to just keep Nolva on hand in case.

....what did I leave out, any other ideas?

23 almost 24 in 2 months
Weight: 202lbs
Arms 18.5" flexed
Chest 49"
Legs 28"
Waist 36"

My goals right now are just to bulk up another 30 pounds over 2 years. My diet is pretty clean I have some junk on occasion maybe once a week.

I have read on many forums and threads that its better to run nolva and clomid together. Shorten the Dbol to 4-5 weeks? 30mg is a mild dose it shouldnt bo to toxic on the liver should it?

[cprom185]

So are they back to producing the high quality stuff they did before? On a few threads on other sites people have been saying to avoid using

[JonnyO]

I'd run in the range of 8-12 weeks, if your still making progress after 8 weeks Id keep going until the gains have either stopped or 12 weeks is up. 6 weeks on Dbol is good, esp at 30mg a day. PCT plan looks solid too, looks like youve done your homework and are ready to rock.

Those are some pretty good stats as well considering your weight is only 202lbs...how tall are you?

[cprom185]

I'd run in the range of 8-12 weeks, if your still making progress after 8 weeks Id keep going until the gains have either stopped or 12 weeks is up. 6 weeks on Dbol is good, esp at 30mg a day. PCT plan looks solid too, looks like youve done your homework and are ready to rock.

Those are some pretty good stats as well considering your weight is only 202lbs...how tall are you?



I am 5'9 and i measured my chest today its actually 48 inches lol i ****ed up on that. What brand do you recommend going with? I am finding that most of the stuff that is in Edmonton

[JonnyO]

Go with whatever brand you feel comfortable with.

[GYMBRAT]

23 almost 24 in 2 months
Weight: 202lbs
Arms 18.5" flexed
Chest 49"
Legs 28"
Waist 36"

My goals right now are just to bulk up another 30 pounds over 2 years. My diet is pretty clean I have some junk on occasion maybe once a week.

I have read on many forums and threads that its better to run nolva and clomid together. Shorten the Dbol to 4-5 weeks? 30mg is a mild dose it shouldnt bo to toxic on the liver should it?

sounds like you've done well, good work bro and good luck..

[marcman77]

wheres the deca or eq in that cycle?

[cprom185]

wheres the deca or eq in that cycle?

If this one goes well and I react well without many side effects I was planning on running 12 weeks of deca and sus with anavar down the road.

[gsxr750]

Good to see you've done your research! I would not blast 1000iu of HCG in each shot, split it up 350iu 3x a week... this is what my endo has prescribed me personally and it's worked well.

Keep your head in the game, keep the test-ego out of the gym.. don't push yourself too fast, an injury is the last thing you want.

Even though you're on, your gains 'quality' will rely quite a bit on your diet. You eat like a slob, you'll look like a big round slob. Eat clean you'll be happy you did!!

Enjoy! Make a log for us

[hulkster]

very true^^^ there's a fine like between looking big and looking round, and eating has quite a bit o do with it

[cprom185]

Good to see you've done your research! I would not blast 1000iu of HCG in each shot, split it up 350iu 3x a week... this is what my endo has prescribed me personally and it's worked well.

Keep your head in the game, keep the test-ego out of the gym.. don't push yourself too fast, an injury is the last thing you want.

Even though you're on, your gains 'quality' will rely quite a bit on your diet. You eat like a slob, you'll look like a big round slob. Eat clean you'll be happy you did!!

Enjoy! Make a log for us

Yeah I have started eating pretty clean. As for the ego thing I am pretty tame when it comes to a ego.

[cprom185]

Good to see you've done your research! I would not blast 1000iu of HCG in each shot, split it up 350iu 3x a week... this is what my endo has prescribed me personally and it's worked well.

Keep your head in the game, keep the test-ego out of the gym.. don't push yourself too fast, an injury is the last thing you want.

Even though you're on, your gains 'quality' will rely quite a bit on your diet. You eat like a slob, you'll look like a big round slob. Eat clean you'll be happy you did!!

Enjoy! Make a log for us

I have a question. How do you keep the majority of your gains after you finish the dbol cycle? is it with a proper PCT? or anything specific other than the diet and training like a mad man.

[theboss]

I have a question. How do you keep the majority of your gains after you finish the dbol cycle? is it with a proper PCT? or anything specific other than the diet and training like a mad man.

if its just dbol you wont keep the majority of gains...since gains associated with dbol are typically water weight...now if you were using Test & Dbol you have a better chance using a good pct protocol....clomid/nolvadex and perhaps some HCG prior to ending your cycle.

[cprom185]

if its just dbol you wont keep the majority of gains...since gains associated with dbol are typically water weight...now if you were using Test & Dbol you have a better chance using a good pct protocol....clomid/nolvadex and perhaps some HCG prior to ending your cycle.

Yeah I will be running Test cyp or Test enan with it. Wasn't going to run .25mg of Arimidex E3D but I think I will start 2 weeks in.

[hulkster]

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[cprom185]

whats your age, stats, goals, diet like?

.......switch out your long ester Enan with some short ester Prop, or as S111 said push the Enan out to 12+ wks, and shorten up the d-bol to around 4-5 wks
I'd also run either 1 or the other of the Nolv/Clomid, depends on how you'll react with either one, I prefer to just keep Nolva on hand in case.

....what did I leave out, any other ideas?

I forgot to ask. Would 6 weeks be good for the test prop?

[rob66679]

Run your test E for at least 12 weeks , you ll be much happier. Takes about 6 weeks to start seeing results with test Enanthate.

^^^^
Yep
I'm almost 4 weeks in, test e only 500/week and I'm only up about 5 pounds.
I was starting to think my gear was shit.
Maybe it is lol, I'll know in about 8 more weeks I guess.

[GYMBRAT]

I forgot to ask. Would 6 weeks be good for the test prop?

Id run it for 8 wks for sure.....if you choose to run a short ester like prop/susp then yes you could run it through out your entire cycle 12 wks as one would with a long ester like enan/cyp but the ed/eod injecting gets to suck very shortly after..imo

[GYMBRAT]

^^^^
Yep
I'm almost 4 weeks in, test e only 500/week and I'm only up about 5 pounds.
I was starting to think my gear was shit.
Maybe it is lol, I'll know in about 8 more weeks I guess.

sounds ok, that's why allot of ppl would prefer to kick off their cycles with d-bol etc.. keep us posted bro and best of luck

[rob66679]

sounds ok, that's why allot of ppl would prefer to kick off their cycles with d-bol etc.. keep us posted bro and best of luck

In hindsight I likely should have jump started it, but its my first cycle so I figured I'd play it safe, see how I responded to just test.
Sorry for highjacking OP...