bunk xxx

[phatkid77]

Haha, just kidding
Gunna bake a couple bottles here and hope it fixes the pain...4 day post inject is getting rediculous and old...so I hear :)

[AlbertaBeef]

I used a fair bit of grape seed oil with my xxx, it was all good!

[MikeyFXD35]

Haha, just kidding
Gunna bake a couple bottles here and hope it fixes the pain...4 day post inject is getting rediculous and old...so I hear :)

You have a few more days to go yet, tried cutting mine with some 5**** test e and its better but still a bit of a lump and pain for 4 days but nothing like it was before. At least I can sit down...LOL

[phatkid77]

Tell me about it!! Thought ass would be better since shoulder felt like a sledge hammer hit it...nope..now it feels like a 3" gold ball there...cack

Phats

[MikeyFXD35]

Tell me about it!! Thought ass would be better since shoulder felt like a sledge hammer hit it...nope..now it feels like a 3" gold ball there...cack

Phats

Your lucky, mine felt like a softball.

[phatkid77]

Just a few more mins and my cake should be done!

[Big D]

time to use a good lab























:p

[nisser]

Cut it with 10% BB and try that. I have a hunch that it will work.

[Jmany]

Running 5* T400, weird thing is started with only glutes, and never hurt the slightest bit till like week 5. now after every shot its defenetly hurting a bit, bearable (yaaa im tough) but still hurts.

Tried pinnin left delt first time yesterday and holy ****, same thing. hurt.. but i trained about a hour later and didnt feel it at all untill today there is defenetly a bit of bruising.

[Jmany]

ran the xxx t400 for first cycle actually, it was waaaayy underdosed but still absolutely hurt like a SOB.

[swole44]

ran the xxx t400 for first cycle actually, it was waaaayy underdosed but still absolutely hurt like a SOB.

yeah underdosed for sure and still hurts 5 days after lol

the viagra is pure crap too

[Beachmuscle]

yeah underdosed for sure and still hurts 5 days after lol

the viagra is pure crap too

Never liked the viagra as well or the T400, but the rest of the line up, particularily the tbol and Test Susp was great back in the day.

Mind you I haven't used xxx for well over a year so times may have changed.

[cdnsoldier]

time to use a good lab :p


Ohh noooooooooooooo you did'int........
....

[phatkid77]

Now its nice and dark like tren.....lol

[tex]

whats this about xxx being crap?? ive only heard good things til recent.....weird shit!!

[L3]

stupid ass thread title

[Mr Ontario]

Mixed it with .5cc of Human grade and see how that works :)

[vegan_hunter]

There should be no need to dilute a finished product to get rid of pain and lumps..... throw it in the garbage!

[wan2lrn]

There should be no need to dilute a finished product to get rid of pain and lumps..... throw it in the garbage!

You took the words right out of my mouth.

[manfreakca]

cause it painfull why does it have to be crap???as long as im getin results i want i dont mind pain!!

[Jmany]

to a certain point im willing to take a bit of pain for results, but than i think why when you could have the same results without the hurting.

[phatkid77]

I was just jokin in the title, knew it would get some views......
I like xxx gear, but baffled as to why this one hurts, other 2 didn't

Phats

[Solo59]

ran the xxx t400 for first cycle actually, it was waaaayy underdosed but still absolutely hurt like a SOB.

My Testothate 400 does not hurt at all but I agree that it's probably underdosed. I'd know if I were really running 800 mgs EW.

Solo

[IronRobi]

I laugh everytime I see somebody just randomly spitting out a product is "underdosed" using the excuse they would "feel" the difference. Say the t400 is underdosed by 50mg and you run 2cc/week. Are you going to pin and the next day go "damn, that was really only 700mg not 800mg because my boner only lasted 5 minutes instead of 6". If youre going to make underdosed claims, back it up.

BTW, for those that think running t400 is really going to give you 400mg of pure test, don't forget you still need to take the weight of the ester into account. So if you're going to compare 400mg of a long estered test to maybe 400mg of suspension... ya there's going to be a difference.

[Mr Ontario]

Are you mad big boy :)


I laugh everytime I see somebody just randomly spitting out a product is "underdosed" using the excuse they would "feel" the difference. Say the t400 is underdosed by 50mg and you run 2cc/week. Are you going to pin and the next day go "damn, that was really only 700mg not 800mg because my boner only lasted 5 minutes instead of 6". If youre going to make underdosed claims, back it up.

BTW, for those that think running t400 is really going to give you 400mg of pure test, don't forget you still need to take the weight of the ester into account. So if you're going to compare 400mg of a long estered test to maybe 400mg of suspension... ya there's going to be a difference.

[wolverine]

I laugh everytime I see somebody just randomly spitting out a product is "underdosed" using the excuse they would "feel" the difference. Say the t400 is underdosed by 50mg and you run 2cc/week. Are you going to pin and the next day go "damn, that was really only 700mg not 800mg because my boner only lasted 5 minutes instead of 6". If youre going to make underdosed claims, back it up.

BTW, for those that think running t400 is really going to give you 400mg of pure test, don't forget you still need to take the weight of the ester into account. So if you're going to compare 400mg of a long estered test to maybe 400mg of suspension... ya there's going to be a difference.

As much as I would like to comment on your post, I'm not going to. I will let Solo explain his case and run medieval on your ass. We aren't talking about a 50 mg difference here!!!

[tex]

and the plot thickens(ominous organ music).....i think solo knows the diff between t400 and suspension.....i saw a diff between 100mg of another labs test susp and 125mg of xxx test suspension (in eo of course)......and that was no ester to no ester and 25mg less of the national chain brand anabolic steroid ;) of course I dont like eo and since its not really approved for use by health canada or the fda in compounded medications i try to shy away.....

[cdnsoldier]

Here's my litmus test with any UGL. I usually check out the pills and see how they are made. If I see poorly made "caps" or I break pills and test them using basic chemisty and they don't check out I can pretty much guarentee the vials aren't made properly.

Although it's not rocket science making vials from powder it's time consuming and pain staking (espceically if you filter a few times to make it silky smooth). I fail to believe UGL take all proper precautions in making them.

So if the pills suck you can count on it the vials will suck too. I have not seen on "capped" UGL product made properly and if you can accomplsh that then making vails shouldn't even be attempted.

[marcman77]

what about the freezer test.........lol

[MikeyFXD35]

UGL are a business like any other business, they need to sell there products to make money. If their product is crap then they are not going to stay around. Since it is UG then we can't count on the government to test their product for us, that's is why boards like this are important. If there is bogas or bad gear out there we need to spread the word. Having never seen a lab I sure it safe to say that they don't have a QC division watching over their production so odds are every lab will produce a "bad" batch every now and then. I don't believe this is done intentionally but still its not good business. Raising these concern on discussion boards I'm sure gets back to the producer and they will look at why it happen, so even those its a not cool getting bad gear you have to take into account that these are not state of the art facilitates and our feedback will hopefully make for a better product. This coming from someone who's first experiences was not very good but I don't think I would write the lab off yet.

[cdnsoldier]

UGL are a business like any other business, they need to sell there products to make money. If their product is crap then they are not going to stay around. Since it is UG then we can't count on the government to test their product for us, that's is why boards like this are important. If there is bogas or bad gear out there we need to spread the word. Having never seen a lab I sure it safe to say that they don't have a QC division watching over their production so odds are every lab will produce a "bad" batch every now and then. I don't believe this is done intentionally but still its not good business. Raising these concern on discussion boards I'm sure gets back to the producer and they will look at why it happen, so even those its a not cool getting bad gear you have to take into account that these are not state of the art facilitates and our feedback will hopefully make for a better product. This coming from someone who's first experiences was not very good but I don't think I would write the lab off yet.


I disagree. Some stuff is done on purpose. Right now a lot of labs are substituting expensive products (anavar,turnibol) with cheaper products to make their prices more attractive. This is a conscious decision by the lab. I haven't seen real anavar for a while now. Right now people are buying less due to the recession. Their are tons of labs and despite what they tell you sales for UGL have slowed down.

On the other hand I can pull out 2,000 threads on various boards where individuals (most likely connected to the UGL) make bold statements that their gear is a good, if not better than HG gear.

IMO, UGL are their worst enemies due to the stuff they boast about. They set expectations at 100 and can only deliver at 60.

[natenator]

I disagree. Some stuff is done on purpose. Right now a lot of labs are substituting expensive products (anavar,turnibol) with cheaper products to make their prices more attractive. This is a conscious decision by the lab. I haven't seen real anavar for a while now. Right now people are buying less due to the recession. Their are tons of labs and despite what they tell you sales for UGL have slowed down.

On the other hand I can pull out 2,000 threads on various boards where individuals (most likely connected to the UGL) make bold statements that their gear is a good, if not better than HG gear.

IMO, UGL are their worst enemies due to the stuff they boast about. They set expectations at 100 and can only deliver at 60.
I normally homebrew my own gear and I still have plenty of powder available to do so but I put my prep drugs in the hands of the only lab that I trust and that's based on the fact that this lab DOESN'T want their name flying around on the net.

If a lab doesn't want their products advertised but have been in business for several years (6 as I'm aware) that tells me something...

[Drummer]

damn... my 5* was painless

[Houstonbc]

I disagree. Some stuff is done on purpose. Right now a lot of labs are substituting expensive products (anavar,turnibol) with cheaper products to make their prices more attractive. This is a conscious decision by the lab. I haven't seen real anavar for a while now. Right now people are buying less due to the recession. Their are tons of labs and despite what they tell you sales for UGL have slowed down.

On the other hand I can pull out 2,000 threads on various boards where individuals (most likely connected to the UGL) make bold statements that their gear is a good, if not better than HG gear.

IMO, UGL are their worst enemies due to the stuff they boast about. They set expectations at 100 and can only deliver at 60.

Just wondering how do you know this? and can you back any of these wild claims you make about UGL up? You seem to make some pretty bold statements against UG gear and I dont think its warranted at all. Canada has some of the best UG in the world, are you just generalizing about one bad experience you had with one lab? Not trying to be a dick, just seems like you're assuming most of your information.

[cdnsoldier]

Just wondering how do you know this? and can you back any of these wild claims you make about UGL up? You seem to make some pretty bold statements against UG gear and I dont think its warranted at all. Canada has some of the best UG in the world, are you just generalizing about one bad experience you had with one lab? Not trying to be a dick, just seems like you're assuming most of your information.


Oh gee I don't know- Maybe I back it by ...ahhh I don't know- Buying said Pumped up product, trying it and knowing it's not what it's advertised as? Maybe?

My first anabolic injection was human grade Cypionate and that 50ml Winny Vet stuff made in Bolton Ont in 1990. I have been using for 18 years and I although I am no expert I like to think I know the difference between anavar and stanzolol. I like to think I know the difference between Tbol and Dbol. Ilike to think I know that in my years of doing anavr I never got one pimple, bloat, or puffy niples but yet when I hear or try UGL Anavar it acts and behaves exactly like something else I know it's something else despite the 19 year old reps. running around telling people "Hey dummy anavar causes gyno and bloat ". But yeah I guess we are all idiotts and the UGL know their shit so yeah Anavar does cause bloat. I guess all those 2.5mg Anavar I have been getting throghthe years from publicly traded pharmaceuticals were all fake. Thank God these UGL in Canada have brought inthe real. top shelf stuff huh?

And based on "one" bad experience? I have right now in my shelf , gathering dust at least 3K worth of Canadian UGL from 5 different companies that I wouldn't even inject or give to my dog. It's not based on one bad experience. It based on a too many bad experiences. If these UGL "are one of teh best inteh world" I would hate to see the mediocreones, or the bad ones.Because it can't get much worse than what I have seen in the last year.


By the way you notice I don't mention names right? That's for a reason.


Don't take my word for it though. Buy a mg scale (they are pretty cheap) and weigh your pills. Learn some basic chemistry and run a few simple chemistry test on what you got in your hand. Compare it with the stats on what is supposed to be inside.

You'll be suprised at the results. If you can't make simple caps that take a few simple mathamatical equations correct am I supposed to trust these "best UGL labs inteh world' to make the vials properly?

You keep telling me how great they are. When I finally get a properly capped, properly dosed and REAL bottle of CDN UGL Turniol or Anavar I'll send it to you. If I talk I don't pull shit from my ass or listen to 'internet chatter".I speak from personal experience.

[BAM]

:popc

[cdnsoldier]

:popc



Nah I won't get sucked into that. I said my side and I leave it at that. I don't have a horse in this race since I don't rep nor will I ever be customer again so It's no sweat to me.

[tex]

bold statements indeed! good thing they took away the neg karma or you'd be on fire right now!!

[mersanary]

:popc

Keep the opinions and experiences coming. I learn something new everytime I come on this board.

[Houstonbc]

Nah I won't get sucked into that. I said my side and I leave it at that. I don't have a horse in this race since I don't rep nor will I ever be customer again so It's no sweat to me.

Its all good man, i was seriously just wondering because you threw some bombs out there. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I was just wondering what made you so against UGL.

Unfortunately i still do believe you are generalizing a bit too much as not every lab is producing shit gear, unless you know something more than the rest of the 98% of us on the board that use all UG stuff. You've obviously had some bad experiences and that sucks but you cant lump all the labs into the same group saying they are all shit and the var isnt var etc. Im done in this thread.:yeah

[manfreakca]

Are you mad big boy :)

lol @ mad big boy

[IronRobi]

Are you mad big boy :)

Not mad, just annoyed at seeing claims without anything to back it up. If they got the gear tested and can prove that it's underdosed... great. Just don't say it is bad because it "feels" different. There are too many factors that can contribute to how gear hits you, not just dosage.

[theboss]

Haha, just kidding
Gunna bake a couple bottles here and hope it fixes the pain...4 day post inject is getting rediculous and old...so I hear :)

i wouldnt want gear that i couldnt use straight out of the bottle....like come on..you are baking it and mixing it with other stuff in hopes it wont hurt ? i think that should tell you something about the product. Not bashing xxx..but I hear so much good and bad about them lately, not sure why people want it.

[Jmany]

Not mad, just annoyed at seeing claims without anything to back it up. If they got the gear tested and can prove that it's underdosed... great. Just don't say it is bad because it "feels" different. There are too many factors that can contribute to how gear hits you, not just dosage.

This xxx T400 in particular i dont mean it was under dosed as in 350mgs... it was more along the lines of 150-200mgs or lower im not 100% sure. and this was my first cycle so i was not even doing 2cc's.
So in all reality i was on a HRT dose.... Didnt jump off the boat until actually got an email from the xxx rep saying it is highly underdosed and we will have some free credit on next shipment haha.

[Big D]

ya that T400 worked great for cooking oil

[gsxr750]

Meal 5 - Fatty Protein Meal ( 6oz steak, green salad in T400 and vinegar/soy sauce )

[Big D]

Meal 5 - Fatty Protein Meal ( 6oz steak, green salad in T400 and vinegar/soy sauce )

LOL !!! nice

[tex]

Meal 5 - Fatty Protein Meal ( 6oz steak, green salad in T400 and vinegar/soy sauce ) lol! expensive salad dressing!

[z83]

I had that batch during my first cycle, sux :(

[Jmany]

lol! expensive salad dressing!

Thats how ronnie did it, no one said BBing' was easy

[Jmany]

I had that batch during my first cycle, sux :(

yea overal i would say xxx is G2G, it was just that whole batch. Me and DK both got it, ironically all three of our first cycles.

[vegan_hunter]

yea overal i would say xxx is G2G, it was just that whole batch. Me and DK both got it, ironically all three of our first cycles.

So the very 1st time you ever tried steroids, you had poor results from xxx. But yet they're still good to go??

Give me a break!

[ergie]

ya thats what I was thinking.......

[marcman77]

ditch them, there days of being a good ug lab are done@@@

[gsxr750]

Haters!!

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1083/slaterq.jpg

[marcman77]

whats the reason behind this...labs seem to start out good , then they start to be hit and miss........is it greed ........?

[marcman77]

slaters looking like hes holiding a 100ml jug of eq...lol

[nisser]

ditch them, there days of being a good ug lab are done@@@

thanks new guy. How are those 1 inch needles working for you?

[marcman77]

i have yet to start my cycle ....in a couple days......jsut tryign to get ready 100%mentally

[Jmany]

So the very 1st time you ever tried steroids, you had poor results from SA. But yet they're still good to go??

Give me a break!

well yea i see the whole thing kinda contradicts itself, but i really think it was just a batch **** up which they did apologize for and said i can have a bunch of freebees.

although yea im never going with xxx again obviously unless i really had to

[tex]

^^ id recommend you stay away since you've been dissing on them pretty hard.....next batch they make special for you t400 will be 400mg of dog semen dissolved in some sink water ;)