Tried Crapp

[tiramisu]

I did a Dogg Crapp style workout this evening.

Other than the occasional desire to pass out me like.

I like the exercise variety although it's costing me a gym membership at the Y.

The AB split and the 8 days between weight rep increases seems like it will let me progress more effectively than I have been.

I'm not sure whether the RP sets, Widow Makers, Static Holds, Slow Negatives and Extreme Stretching really add to the workout or are just a gimmick but I'll give them a try and see.

The basic structure and focus on big compounds seems very good.

[O-Train]

No gimmicks. It may sound gimmicky and the way Dante explains it may not be 100% accurate but there are concrete reasons why it works.

Try to keep to how the program is laid out. I'm a hypocrite in that respect because I modify everything but I only did it after I tried the program. You also really have to understand why you are doing something and/or why it is effective/ineffective before you change it.

If you figure out what works for you it is hands down the best style of training for bodybuilders. (Not specifically Dog Crapp, just the overall methodology). There are fundamental reasons why people grow bigger and stronger. This type of program does a very good job of addressing those aspects.

[Avitoholis]

DC training has been my favorite training program to date....Is it the best?? Who knows, it has definately worked for me though. I would suggest sticking to Dante's outline as closely as possible and make sure all workouts are logged, this I feel is a key element to your success.

[tiramisu]

I'm going to give it a try for a while. It certainly stimulates the appetite. Shortly after I got home I found myself eating 250ml's of cottage cheese, 2 chicken breasts, a protein bar, 2 apples, 2 oranges, a tomato juice and about half a gallon of water ... Essentially anything that wasn't nailed down that I could eat without waking she who must be obeyed.

[buildinthaskinnys]

I feel the stretching is very gimmicky, and the reasons why it may work are unclear, and in my opinion the way its been explained is wrong. Also Its based on the studys down on birds, in where they stretched out a chicken wing for an hour or something 4 times a day these birds were probably destroyed afterwards, so I can bet we will never know how ****ed up they were afterwards only that they gained muscle from it.

Heres another question, Long term effects and gains? I guess my main problem is that you can never duplicate the labs conditions of this study.

[O-Train]

I feel the stretching is very gimmicky, and the reasons why it may work are unclear, and in my opinion the way its been explained is wrong. Also Its based on the studys down on birds, in where they stretched out a chicken wing for an hour or something 4 times a day these birds were probably destroyed afterwards, so I can bet we will never know how ****ed up they were afterwards only that they gained muscle from it.

Heres another question, Long term effects and gains? I guess my main problem is that you can never duplicate the labs conditions of this study.

I'm not sure in what post but I've explained my take on extreme stretching. I don't completely buy into the idea of fascial stretching. I like to think of it more as a weighted isometric (static) contraction in a deep range of motion. Basically ripping the shit out of the muscle at the cellular level. From a scientific perspective it makes more sense, but it's just my opinion.

In laymans terms, it gives the muscle that extra little incentive to grow.

[tiramisu]

I'm going to try it as advertised through to christmas and see how it plays out. At a minimum I see no reason why the stretching would be detrimental. My calories and umm, supplementation will likely need to be adequate to avoid overtraining. I've started during pct and I'm having some challenges walking down stairs and getting out of the car 2 days after leg day.

[tex]

I feel the stretching is very gimmicky, and the reasons why it may work are unclear, and in my opinion the way its been explained is wrong. Also Its based on the studys down on birds, in where they stretched out a chicken wing for an hour or something 4 times a day these birds were probably destroyed afterwards, so I can bet we will never know how ****ed up they were afterwards only that they gained muscle from it.

Heres another question, Long term effects and gains? I guess my main problem is that you can never duplicate the labs conditions of this study. I gained 50+lbs in 18 months using strict dc training methods including the extreme stretching......increased my lifts 2x etc.....stretching works....i recovered faster.....

[buildinthaskinnys]

I'm not sure in what post but I've explained my take on extreme stretching. I don't completely buy into the idea of fascial stretching. I like to think of it more as a weighted isometric (static) contraction in a deep range of motion. Basically ripping the shit out of the muscle at the cellular level. From a scientific perspective it makes more sense, but it's just my opinion.

In laymans terms, it gives the muscle that extra little incentive to grow.

Thats kinda the way I look at it 2, because I dont think you can stretch out your muscle without contracting it, but I could be wrong.

[buildinthaskinnys]

I gained 50+lbs in 18 months using strict dc training methods including the extreme stretching......increased my lifts 2x etc.....stretching works....i recovered faster.....

Pics?

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[O-Train]

Pics?

:popc2

I believe him. Not 50lbs of muscle but if you eat a ton of food and train hard the sky is the limit. With gear thrown into the mix...gains would be huge. I went from 160lbs in contest shape to a fairly soft 220lbs 12 months later. I still wasn't over 20% bf though so I put on a lot of muscle. When I diet down for the show in November I'll post pics from all my shows. I compete every 2 years at roughly the same time of year. That should be the best way of showing gains.

[tiramisu]

I went from 200 @ 20+ % BF to 220 @ 12% BF ~160 lean to ~193 lean in 12 months (33 pounds of meat)

on the starting strength program
16 weeks
3 litres of milk a day plus food ( ~3500 cal's per day)
with a top weight of about 249
on 500 mg of test e
(Maxed out at 249 pounds)

then pct then

16 weeks
Abbreviated 5x5
palumbo cutting diet (didn't count calories just followed the diet)
1750 mg test e, 700 mg of tren

It was actually more like 11 months plus a month of flailing around at the end where I ran out of dieting steam and energy to lift.

This was starting from couch potato status. I'm sure I won't be able to pull this off again in year 2 but I'm going to try.