everything you want to know about ghrp6, cjc-1295, etc...

[ironwill]

Here is a list of anything you want to know about many peptides....pls read and there is a wealth of info from datbtrue...
I see some guys go over there and read and bring back some info parroted through their interpretation of what studies they have read.....
some is correct, some is whacked out i see on CBB...so here it is right from an expert...IMO..

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37381

if not enough there, search the authors name, way more available...

you are welcome in advance, and green works for thanks....;)
cheap bastidges...
You see i share my info because i truly want us all to succeed, hence i share a lot of my info, im not mr. cloak and dagger guy, hiding shit from my brothers and sisters...this is what the boards are about....teaching, and learning in harmony.....
so kick back and read if this topic interests you..

[daande]

Here is a list of anything you want to know about many peptides....pls read and there is a wealth of info from datbtrue...
I see some guys go over there and read and bring back some info parroted through their interpretation of what studies they have read.....
some is correct, some is whacked out i see on CBB...so here it is right from an expert...IMO..

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37381

if not enough there, search the authors name, way more available...

you are welcome in advance, and green works for thanks....;)
cheap bastidges...
You see i share my info because i truly want us all to succeed, hence i share a lot of my info, im not mr. cloak and dagger guy, hiding shit from my brothers and sisters...this is what the boards are about....teaching, and learning in harmony.....
so kick back and read if this topic interests you..

I was looking for just this thanks alot man. respect.

EDIT: I have skimmed through some of it and there is lots of information there. I may attempt to summarize it once I am done studying for a test I have thursday.

[Skyblob]

Thanks bro! Very interesting read!

[giannos]

Good Stuff !!!

Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[ironwill]

I mam very stoked about this being available therough canadian med supplies............I cant wait to try it out, ive been watching the posts over a yr now and it seems very, very positive so far....im givin it a whirl here asap.....
hopefully we see some CJC1295 as well...

[Ritch]

I`m on page 17. Do the recommendations still stay the same to do 100mg of cjc and ghrp-6 together 3x`s a day of max results?

[Baconbits]

I`m on page 17. Do the recommendations still stay the same to do 100mg of cjc and ghrp-6 together 3x`s a day of max results?

That's what I've been running for a little over six weeks now. I'm up 5lbs and my waistline is shrinking. The only problem I have is dealing with the hunger pains right after a shot. It's tough while trying to cut.

[ironwill]

I`m on page 17. Do the recommendations still stay the same to do 100mg of cjc and ghrp-6 together 3x`s a day of max results?

Im going to do my own thing from what im learning from datbtrue....I have a view like this....I am cheap for one, and concientious for 2...
I start at the lowest dose possible and then tune up a bit until i get my desired results......I dont believe in taking maximum doses posted that people get results from...i always , always seem to be more sensitive to anything i take.....aas, fat burners, meds in general, and i believe this will be the same.....
i will find out and i will keep you posted to what i feel as i go on........

[daande]

Im going to do my own thing from what im learning from datbtrue....I have a view like this....I am cheap for one, and concientious for 2...
I start at the lowest dose possible and then tune up a bit until i get my desired results......I dont believe in taking maximum doses posted that people get results from...i always , always seem to be more sensitive to anything i take.....aas, fat burners, meds in general, and i believe this will be the same.....
i will find out and i will keep you posted to what i feel as i go on........

I would love to see you put up a log of this stuff including what you ran with it, diet, etc.

[Blitz-Test]

Are these gh releasers really as scary as read to be...

I have heard of ncaa athletes getting the pituitary gland to swell to the size of a golf ball, while using these things...

[Skyblob]

Are these gh releasers really as scary as read to be...

I have heard of ncaa athletes getting the pituitary gland to swell to the size of a golf ball, while using these things..

Heard this too

[ironwill]

i am not sure about their safeness.....im pretty sure I HEARD that roids will make you kill your family....im still not at that point, i dont have a family, so i cant comment.....

you guys are funny...

i heard you can get aids from toilet seats......
If you have studies, please do post them.....
there are lots of studies provided that show its safe, and been run by some for well over a yr straight...no issues, but really who knows...I dont listen to I HEARDS.....

:flowers

[Skyblob]

What do you think bro if i do a cycle of cjc-1295 and GHRP-6 for pct and also for my winter bulk with some test , 500-750 EW idk yet? Im 18 y/o but if i read well.. im producing 2ui per day of GH and if i run that cycle at saturation doses 3x day at 100mcg evershot.. it is like if im shooting 15ui of exogenous GH, correct? Please give me your thoughts ! Thanks ! :)

[ironwill]

What do you think bro if i do a cycle of cjc-1295 and GHRP-6 for pct and also for my winter bulk with some test , 500-750 EW idk yet? Im 18 y/o but if i read well.. im producing 2ui per day of GH and if i run that cycle at saturation doses 3x day at 100mcg evershot.. it is like if im shooting 15ui of exogenous GH, correct? Please give me your thoughts ! Thanks ! :)

Honestly imo, if you are 18, you have lots of gh in your system now......I am not the expert in this subject, i am just learning as well, there is a tonne of info that compares cjc and ghrp to synthetic gh, and the experts opinion on how much is required to mimick the introduction of exogenous synthetic gh into the body...neat stuff, im very interested, and it doesnt appear to be illegal...so far...
hope this helps you out....click on the link i posted in page 1 of this thread...

[ironwill]

heres another link to a different thread bros and hoes....lolol..:ilu

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48806

[Skyblob]

Thanks ;)!

[Ritch]

What do you think bro if i do a cycle of cjc-1295 and GHRP-6 for pct and also for my winter bulk with some test , 500-750 EW idk yet? Im 18 y/o but if i read well.. im producing 2ui per day of GH and if i run that cycle at saturation doses 3x day at 100mcg evershot.. it is like if im shooting 15ui of exogenous GH, correct? Please give me your thoughts ! Thanks ! :)

From what I`ve read it`s like 3-5 iu`s of GH. Not like it you`re doing 15, lol.

[Mastagon]

well thats a motherload of info. Thanks

[Skyblob]

In comparison to synthetic GH administration we find that:

22iu of synthetic GH results in 495 - 585 ng/ml
Saturation doses of GHRH & GHRP results in 130 - 170 ng/ml

These results indicate that 22iu is between 3.8 and 3.4 more efficacious then a single administration of GHRH & GHRP which means that a single dose of GHRH & GHRP has the potential to produce better then the equivalent of 5iu of GH in plasma.

A dosing protocol of GHRH + GHRP at saturation dose, administered 3 times per day has the potential to exceed the equivalent of 15iu.




im going to shoot 3x a day

[mxer_kx]

heres another link to a different thread bros and hoes....lolol..:ilu

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48806

Damn it! you beat me to it lol , but amazing amount of info in there, and for those who dont understand the indepth scientific answers, the simplified thread is where you can ask questions and dat will answer them for you...

[Blitz-Test]

i am not sure about their safeness.....im pretty sure I HEARD that roids will make you kill your family....im still not at that point, i dont have a family, so i cant comment.....

you guys are funny...

i heard you can get aids from toilet seats......
If you have studies, please do post them.....
there are lots of studies provided that show its safe, and been run by some for well over a yr straight...no issues, but really who knows...I dont listen to I HEARDS.....

:flowers

Thats not a good thought process at all... The media dishing out a messed up story is completely different than someone posting on a board in a log sayig they are starting these things, then they die...

Lots of studies showing this stuff is safe? Can I see lots, because most of these things haven't been passed for human use...

I am not saying if you use these you are going to die, but thinking these things are as simple as steroids or gh, is way off...


I think we all remember the log of the guy who started using all these to get around testing, he had a catscan for a concussion at the beginning of the log and everything was normal, a pea size pituitary gland was there...

6 Weeks later he got another concussion and got another scan and his pituitary gland was the size of a tennis ball... He didnt blame it on these substances but put two and two together...

He then posted the day he went in for surgery to get the gland removed... Then he never posted again.

[ironwill]

Thats not a good thought process at all... The media dishing out a messed up story is completely different than someone posting on a board in a log sayig they are starting these things, then they die...

Lots of studies showing this stuff is safe? Can I see lots, because most of these things haven't been passed for human use...

I am not saying if you use these you are going to die, but thinking these things are as simple as steroids or gh, is way off...


I think we all remember the log of the guy who started using all these to get around testing, he had a catscan for a concussion at the beginning of the log and everything was normal, a pea size pituitary gland was there...

6 Weeks later he got another concussion and got another scan and his pituitary gland was the size of a tennis ball... He didnt blame it on these substances but put two and two together...

He then posted the day he went in for surgery to get the gland removed... Then he never posted again.

thats cool to each their own...i dont agree with you, but hey...as i said, i dont claim to be an expert and if you read through the links i posted, there is a wealth of info from the expert...im just trying to help out...so dont be jumping on my thought process......mmmkay...
do your thing, ill do mine...have fun

[Ritch]

just finished reading all 73 pages. I skipped the graphs, DHEA and most training talk, but a very good read. There actually is alot of documents showing the safety of these peptides. Didn`t see any studies using bodybuilders, but still much better than nothing. The problem still lies with the cjc-1295 and getting it with dac or doc with the purity claimed and the pricing. For now this stuff is out of arms reach for me. For sure in the future the price will go down.

[daande]

just finished reading all 73 pages. I skipped the graphs, DHEA and most training talk, but a very good read. There actually is alot of documents showing the safety of these peptides. Didn`t see any studies using bodybuilders, but still much better than nothing. The problem still lies with the cjc-1295 and getting it with dac or doc with the purity claimed and the pricing. For now this stuff is out of arms reach for me. For sure in the future the price will go down.

The cjc-1295 is expensive but the GHRP-6 is not so bad. Even if running it at a low dose I am sure you will still see good effects.

[Skyblob]

Have you read what ive said ritch? for the 15ui

[Blitz-Test]

thats cool to each their own...i dont agree with you, but hey...as i said, i dont claim to be an expert and if you read through the links i posted, there is a wealth of info from the expert...im just trying to help out...so dont be jumping on my thought process......mmmkay...
do your thing, ill do mine...have fun

I didnt really make a statement, so you cant really not agree with me, I am not trying to start an arguement...

However your expert, has very very very vested interest in the selling of these peptides....

Its like talking to the owner of SA and him raving about how good, sterile and well made the SA products are...

I like to see write ups by someone who does hear cha ching everytime someone buys one of these peptides

[Ritch]

Have you read what ive said ritch? for the 15ui

That the stack is the equivalent of 15 iu`s of GH. Don`t know where you read that! Isn`t it more like 2-5?

[Skyblob]

Go to page 2 of this thread ive made a post bro

[Ritch]

What do you think bro if i do a cycle of cjc-1295 and GHRP-6 for pct and also for my winter bulk with some test , 500-750 EW idk yet? Im 18 y/o but if i read well.. im producing 2ui per day of GH and if i run that cycle at saturation doses 3x day at 100mcg evershot.. it is like if im shooting 15ui of exogenous GH, correct? Please give me your thoughts ! Thanks ! :)

Yes I remember reading that, and I don`t know where you get these numbers from, lol. Go on the link provided by ironwill and ask that question there to see what the guru thinks about the 15 units hypothesis. I`m no guru but really don`t think so.

[ironwill]

I didnt really make a statement, so you cant really not agree with me, I am not trying to start an arguement...

However your expert, has very very very vested interest in the selling of these peptides....

Its like talking to the owner of SA and him raving about how good, sterile and well made the SA products are...

I like to see write ups by someone who does hear cha ching everytime someone buys one of these peptides
i was disagreeing with the statement of my thought process....

he wasnt originally involved, ive been following him for a long tiome.....he was involved after someone saw his knowledge on the subject.....
i have no involvement in the product, so basically if you dont like it, dont buy it......im just trying to help out some that really are interested in the products mentioned...and its available in many places, not just him...
quit arguing...lol:ne

[Skyblob]

In comparison to synthetic GH administration we find that:

22iu of synthetic GH results in 495 - 585 ng/ml
Saturation doses of GHRH & GHRP results in 130 - 170 ng/ml

These results indicate that 22iu is between 3.8 and 3.4 more efficacious then a single administration of GHRH & GHRP which means that a single dose of GHRH & GHRP has the potential to produce better then the equivalent of 5iu of GH in plasma.

A dosing protocol of GHRH + GHRP at saturation dose, administered 3 times per day has the potential to exceed the equivalent of 15iu.




im going to shoot 3x a day



there reposted it

[Ritch]

Well I`ll admit I read quickly and didnt`see that. But it says, "has the potential to be as effective". The guy ran this stack for months on end. He never stated the results were dynamic or magical. Seems to me 15 iu`s of GH would be. And if it did have the potential to be as effective as 15 iu`s which is an enormous amount, why wouldn`t somebody then take half the recommended amount of the peptides 50mcg of each to get the equivalent of 7.5 iu`s of GH, a very worthy bodybuilding dose. Plus some people even dosed more, so they were doing the equivaltent of 20-25 iu`s? I don`t think so.

Did you read the whole 73 pages? Or when you saw that, said " Holy shit 15 iu`s!, I`m gonna get me some of this, lol...

[Skyblob]

No because when you do more than 1mcg/kg .. it will only be like 20% more effective , dont have exact numbers but i remember . Like if you weight 100kg you should take 100mcg of GHRP-6 per injection ( saturated dose ) in order to get its full effect .. if someone of 100kg takes 200mcg of GHRP-6 per injection he will only notice like 20% more effect.. not 100% more. But yes your right it has the potential to be as effective .. but i think its worth a try dont you think ? :P It is sure more than 5ui of GH if you take that dose tho !

[Ritch]

Alright, I`m gunning through the thread and here`s a quote on p.7 guestimating the info we`re looking for. But as the thread goes on the info tends to change a bit, just to keep in mind...

I attempted to make that comparison in post #6 of this thread: Growth Hormone Administration vs. CJC-1295/GHRP-6

Based on that & feedback that I am getting (in addition to tests on my own lab rat) I'd say it is higher than a 4iu GH equivalency.

If you want to know what I have discovered on my own cycle of test/slin/CJC/GHRP-6 it is that:

2.1mg of CJC-1296 + 2.1mcg of GHRP-6 (dosed at 100mcg 3x a day each) is outstanding at helping build muscle in that kind of environment. I ran it at that level for 6 weeks and have stepped it down by 2/3rds to make a comparison.

2mgs is equivalent to a high dose of GH
1mgs is equivalent to a moderate dose of GH
700mcgs is still (I think) a moderate dose equivalent of GH.

Synthetic GH is different then the group of GH forms your body produces so the two can not be exactly compared.

Here`s a quote from another member:

Some updates:

I've been using 100mcg cjc+200mcg GHRP6 2x daily 6days per week the past 6weeks or so. I would compare results to a low dose GH cycle. Around 3iu's. Thats what I was using before and switched to this protocol and resluts stayed the same. I'll be going back to GH soon for 3-6months then give the cjc/ghrp6 another run, but go from 1.2mg cjc per week to 2mg per week.

Another quote from the same guy who wrote the ^^^

To be %100 honest i'd have to give CJC/GHRP a few more cycles. As of now I think good ol GH is best. BUT I just recenetly bumped my cjc up to 2mg per week opposed to 1.2mg and am noticing a diff. Much fuller and leaner and my diet has been terrible lately. I think using both is best. GH for around 6-8months, then go off for 8-12weeks and use ghrp/cjc then back to GH,etc.. I do however feel that cjc/ghrp6 is being a little too drastically compared to gh. For example, i dont feel that 2mg cjc and normal GHRP6 dosing can compare to 10iu's go of GH daily. I've used 6iu's GH in the past you could tell a diff. If I had to give a comparison, i'd say 2mg cjc per week and 200mcg ghrp6 2x daily is equal to around 4iu's GH daily, which is still pretty damn good.

Another update from the same guy:

Just an update, 2mg of cjc per week is far far far better than the 1.2mg I was using with ghrp6. Shots before were done pwo and before bed at 100mcg cjc+200mcg ghrp6 6days per week. Recently I switched it to 150mcg cjc+200mcg ghrp6 same 2x per day, everyday and results got much better(non training days pwo shot is replaced with morning shot). Ever since Dat thought I was using the GFR i split my shots into 3 per day to get more outta the GFR(if thats even what im using, who's knows with china) but I havent noticed much more since doing this but its only been a week. But i wanted to say that the 2mg mark is where the cjc should be. I still dont think this protcol can compare to high doses of gh like 8-10iu's per day, but im definately staying much leaner while under lots of stess and a poor diet. I would compare this to around 4-5iu's GH everday which is great in my opinion.

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[Ritch]

here`s something posted by DatBtrue that may interest some people:

The DHEA must significantly add to the GH if you are only taking GHRP-6 because a poster on AM first noted it by subjective feel. He was only taking GHRP-6 and added the DHEA and noticed enough of a difference to ask me about it.

Yeah I know, the science is just messin`with you... But if you`re like me and can`t afford cjc-1295, this can be interesting...

[Skyblob]

Good read thanks ;)

[mxer_kx]

I didnt really make a statement, so you cant really not agree with me, I am not trying to start an arguement...

However your expert, has very very very vested interest in the selling of these peptides....

Its like talking to the owner of SA and him raving about how good, sterile and well made the SA products are...

I like to see write ups by someone who does hear cha ching everytime someone buys one of these peptides

I have to respectfuly disagree

Ive yet to see him push any specific site sponsers, or suppliers, he always just mentions the compound not so much a brand . for example when he talks about the article he wrote on l-carnitine , he says (item from a board sponser) or sterile l-canitine as opposed to pushing items from a sponser. or when he spoke about using sterile caprylic acid he could have said syntherol (which is from a board sponser) but didnt and when referring to the peptides them selves he never has promoted a specific site sponser unless questioned about which only gets a there good type response...

just my opinion thats all

forgot to add: he also is part of several other boards that arnt affiliated with big a and his sponsers

[Baconbits]

I have to respectfuly disagree

Ive yet to see him push any specific site sponsers, or suppliers, he always just mentions the compound not so much a brand . for example when he talks about the article he wrote on l-carnitine , he says (item from a board sponser) or sterile l-canitine as opposed to pushing items from a sponser. or when he spoke about using sterile caprylic acid he could have said syntherol (which is from a board sponser) but didnt and when referring to the peptides them selves he never has promoted a specific site sponser unless questioned about which only gets a there good type response...

just my opinion thats all

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