Cycle 2

[daande]

So I want to start planning a cycle for october or november. I want to run some test E with something else I want to stay fairly lean but also put on some more size. I was thinking about running something like this please post your thoughts or changes or recommendations:

Weeks 1-12: 500mg Test E a week
Weeks 1-10: 400mg Deca a week
Weeks 1-4: 20mg Dbol ED
Weeks 1-12: 250iu hcg E3D

Also recommend a PCT protocol.

[monkey]

Never tried EQ, but based on the feedback and your goals it seems as if it might be a nice choice. Deca didn't really help me stay lean ( most likely my diet, i know). Deca and test worked great for me in terms of mass gains, but **** was I shut down when compared to a test+ oral cycle.

[daande]

Did you run HCG?

[St]

I would go with t-bol over d-bol if you want to stay fairly lean,just to much water from d-bol.Eq would be a better pick than deca as some get Progesterone side from deca,but maybe you won't so you can give deca a shot if you like.

[daande]

I am currently running tren and the only side is some more than normal hair in my hands when showering. Also, the only reason for me running the dbol is I have some BD Anabols from like 3 years ago when I was gunna do my first cycle lol.

[theboss]

start the orals @ week 4

[Vitamin S]

i agree start the orals at week for or even six so that receptors are not saturated, almost kind of where you would plateau in a cycle (mid way) then throw the dbol to kick it up again.

i would up the dbol to atleast 30 or even 40mg per day if your going to take it. split your dose into am and pm 8 hours apart.

you might bloat on that cycle but its temp and water so no biggie, but i would still recommend you take arimidex 1mg EOD, it will keep bloat down, give you more accurate apperance and leaner gains, and also having lower levels of estrogen floating around means higher 1GF-1 levels which mean more growth.

leave hcg for the end.

for pct i would recommend dave palumbos protocol tried and tested.

Week 1 2,000 IU HCG Mon/Thur
Week 2 2,000 IU HCG Mon/Thur
Week 3 2,000 IU HCG Tues & 100mg/day Clomid
Week 4 100mg/day Clomid
Week 5 - Week 10 1mg Adex EOD

[nisser]

Extend your injectables by at least 2 weeks.

[daande]

i agree start the orals at week for or even six so that receptors are not saturated, almost kind of where you would plateau in a cycle (mid way) then throw the dbol to kick it up again.

i would up the dbol to atleast 30 or even 40mg per day if your going to take it. split your dose into am and pm 8 hours apart.

you might bloat on that cycle but its temp and water so no biggie, but i would still recommend you take arimidex 1mg EOD, it will keep bloat down, give you more accurate apperance and leaner gains, and also having lower levels of estrogen floating around means higher 1GF-1 levels which mean more growth.

leave hcg for the end.

for pct i would recommend dave palumbos protocol tried and tested.

Week 1 2,000 IU HCG Mon/Thur
Week 2 2,000 IU HCG Mon/Thur
Week 3 2,000 IU HCG Tues & 100mg/day Clomid
Week 4 100mg/day Clomid
Week 5 - Week 10 1mg Adex EOD

I thought you were supposed to run HCG at small doses throughout cycle?

[theboss]

I thought you were supposed to run HCG at small doses throughout cycle?

thats what i would do.....300iu E3D

[daande]

thats what i would do.....300iu E3D

I am currently running 250iu E3D and my balls are that size except for after I nut off they get noticeably smaller but my loads are gigantic.

[daande]

So what would you guys recommend running deca or eq?

[deleteduser0002]

I prefer Eq myself, good vascularity and solid lean gains. Deca made me "pudgy".

[Vitamin S]

yes run test atleast a week longer then deca/eq as they exist the body a bit slower so you don't mess up your pct when you start it.

there is no such thing as 1+ 1 = 2 in bodybuilding, diet, aas etc. but one thing is that you can go by majority decision and what works best for you. most will run hcg at the end and dave's protocol is follwed by pros and others very great sucess as it has all that is needed to bring the hpta axis fast and closest possible to natural secretion.

just doesn't make sense to suppress it and keep boosting it up e3d thru out the cycle let it be and at the end run it properly.

deca and eq are both great. there is a place for deca if run properly very good for bulking and remember certain types of aas really work great if protein is greatly increased such as deca, dbol, and test, where as others such as eq, primo, tren will work great even on lower calorie diets, but deca really shines on heavy protien intake to increase positive nitrogen balance .

[Avitoholis]

Run HCG E3D throughout entire cycle. I don't understand why you would opt to have your balls shrink for several weeks and then try to recover them post cycle when you could prevent atrophy from the beginning...

[daande]

Run HCG E3D throughout entire cycle. I don't understand why you would opt to have your balls shrink for several weeks and then try to recover them post cycle when you could prevent atrophy from the beginning...

Thats what I thought. Why would you not just prevent it in the first place? I would imagion there would be less side effects taking a low dose throughout instead of taking massive doses just after your cycle.

[deleteduser0002]

Thats what I thought. Why would you not just prevent it in the first place? I would imagion there would be less side effects taking a low dose throughout instead of taking massive doses just after your cycle.

Because your HPTA is STILL suppressed regardless. So your testes remain the same size... that really doesn't mean very much, just a waste of HCG IMO......

[ironwill]

So I want to start planning a cycle for october or november. I want to run some test E with something else I want to stay fairly lean but also put on some more size. I was thinking about running something like this please post your thoughts or changes or recommendations:

Weeks 1-12: 500mg Test E a week
Weeks 1-10: 400mg Deca a week
Weeks 1-4: 20mg Dbol ED
Weeks 1-12: 250iu hcg E3D

Also recommend a PCT protocol.
now that is a nice cycle.........except as others stated, run the dbol about 6 weeks in for 4 weeks and watch the goodness unfold, otherwise just as your long esther test kicks in, your dbol ends, not maximum use of all hormones IMO, makes a huge difference, i also taper off the dbol down to 20 mgs at week 5, then 10 at week 6 and then done....i dont go over 40 as a max for dbols...I also run hcg throughout and at end of cycle to bounce back with ease...
I dont do chlomids, but aromasin at 12.5 mcg/day works well with no crash at the end, like nolva, and even a-dex to a point...

[ironwill]

I am currently running 250iu E3D and my balls are that size except for after I nut off they get noticeably smaller but my loads are gigantic.
weird because loads dont come from testes..........

[ironwill]

Because your HPTA is STILL suppressed regardless. So your testes remain the same size... that really doesn't mean very much, just a waste of HCG IMO......

not true, you will have the testes stimulated via exogenous means...which means by introducing hcg your balls will think the HPTA is producing lh and fsh and therefore will be larger, i do this always now...And libido and function are much better with hcg as well, especially on longer cycles....and they are more supple and plump with hcg present...true story
:)