View Full Version : Bodybuilder-Civil Engineer Fined for Importing Large Quantity of Steroids Into Canada
Tiamat
27-06-2009, 09:59 AM
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/2009/06/26/bodybuilder-civil-engineer-fined-for-importing-steroids-into-canada/
Anabolic steroid possession for personal use is technically legal in Canada although a steroid user lacking a medical prescription could have the drug seized. Only steroid trafficking, steroid manufacturing and steroid importation are illegal under Canadian law. The penalties for steroid importation, apparently even with large quantities of steroids, are not always particularly severe in the absence of evidence of distribution.
A civil engineer and top amateur bodybuilder, was fined $1000 after he pleaded guilty to one charge of “failing to report imported goods” in May 2009. The Crown dropped one charge of “smuggling prohibited goods” as part of the plea agreement.
The engineer was caught in possession of approximately 26,000 tablets consisting of six different types of steroids and five different bodybuilding ancillary drugs on February 4, 2009. Customs officials at the Halifax Stanfield International Airport discovered the drugs repackaged in supplement bottles and a wooden backgammon set in the engineer's luggage. He was returning home to Canada on a flight from the United States after visiting Turkey for two months (”Bodybuilder fined $1,000 for trying to bring steroids, other pills into country,” May 27).
He told investigators that he had purchased the drugs in Turkey for $2,000.
“He advised that he had obtained the pills for his own personal use, and the Crown has no evidence to the contrary,” federal prosecutor Suhanya Edwards told the court.
The Crown agreed to recommend the $1,000 fine because Mr. Satir entered a guilty plea at the first opportunity, co-operated with the authorities and has no criminal record.
Judge Bill MacDonald pointed out that it isn’t against the law in Canada to possess steroids but it is illegal to bring them into the country.
In return for the guilty plea, the Crown withdrew a charge of smuggling prohibited goods.
He has earned master and doctoral degrees in civil engineering and has had considerable success as a competitive bodybuilding winning the titles of Mr. Turkey and Mr. New Brunswick in national and international competition.
He won the title of Mr. Turkey as a junior bodybuilder and placed ninth and 15th at the world junior championships.
After becoming a Canadian citizen, He was named Mr. New Brunswick in 2005, when he won the heavyweight and overall titles at that province’s bodybuilding championships.
He finished fourth in the heavyweight division at the 2007 Canadian championships and fifth at the 2008 nationals.
He has founded two companies to reflect his professional interests as an engineer (xxx Holdings Inc) and his personal interests as a bodybuilder (xxx).
ubcpower
27-06-2009, 10:17 AM
Where do they draw the line with possession for personal use and intent to distribute/ sell? is there a weight quantity or number amount?
nisser
27-06-2009, 10:27 AM
It's a totally grey area.
daande
27-06-2009, 10:36 AM
You might have to be caught selling them or have a ridiculously high amount.
varking
27-06-2009, 10:40 AM
**** I didnt know that.... now I dont feel soo bad buying juice ahhaha
Where do they draw the line with possession for personal use and intent to distribute/ sell? is there a weight quantity or number amount?
They have to decide if they want to pursue it.
They would then more than likely set up a 12month+ investigation to collect evidence of trafficking.
Wow, if I met him in person, I would have NEVER thought he had an undergrad in engineering nevermind a masters or PHd. Just goes to show you how looks are deceiving. About time we saw some large academics :yeah
ironwill
27-06-2009, 11:40 AM
interesting.....
Where do they draw the line with possession for personal use and intent to distribute/ sell? is there a weight quantity or number amount?
The burden of proof lies with the Crown. In other words they must prove intent to traffic or trafficking itself. Proof requires evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. It used to be that if an individual was in possession of a certain quantity of illegal substances the Crown could infer intent to traffic, thereby placing a reverse onus on the accused to prove no intent to traffic. Then came 11 (d) of the Charter and the Supreme Court's ruling in R. v. Oakes, [1986] 1 S.C.R. 103, which concluded that the reverse onus violated the presumption of innocence protection in 11 (d).
cappybye
27-06-2009, 12:24 PM
If you ever get caught don't EVER sign a statement under any circumstances, no matter what they tell you. Nothing you put on paper is going to help you, trust me. Tell them verbally that they are for personal use and NOTHING ELSE.
ubcpower
27-06-2009, 12:50 PM
so one basically has to be caught in the act of trafficking by a law enforcement officer ....
Alot, different than in the states where if a cop stumbles upon a teen with 5-10 baggies packaged a certain way its immediately trafficking
MikeyFXD35
27-06-2009, 12:56 PM
The question here is way risk importing when there is a domestic supply?
GYMBRAT
27-06-2009, 12:59 PM
The question here is way risk importing when there is a domestic supply?
I agree 100%...just not worth the risk
ironwill
27-06-2009, 01:03 PM
so one basically has to be caught in the act of trafficking by a law enforcement officer ....
Alot, different than in the states where if a cop stumbles upon a teen with 5-10 baggies packaged a certain way its immediately trafficking
if they were packaged in packets that looked to be distributed and the amount seized was hi enough, be assured you would be looked at for trafficking, and most likely charged....Especially after they confiscate hard drives etc....let us not kid ourselves...This is from personal experiences watching a good friend go down.....
if they were packaged in packets that looked to be distributed and the amount seized was hi enough, be assured you would be looked at for trafficking, and most likely charged....Especially after they confiscate hard drives etc....let us not kid ourselves...This is from personal experiences watching a good friend go down.....
In what context exactly? The way I read your post, they came in with a search warrant, then seized product and hard drives. If they have enough evidence to obtain a search warrant, they have enough evidence to charge. Therefore, your friend was on their radar for a while.
That notwithstanding, the Crown must still prove 'beyond a reasonable doubt' that there was intent to traffic or trafficking itself. Obviously, detailed hard drive records will make the Crown's job easier.
nisser
27-06-2009, 02:22 PM
If you are holding more gear than one could possibly use in more than 5 years, the intent is pretty easy to prove. Don't kid yourself.
gicantor
27-06-2009, 02:27 PM
The question here is way risk importing when there is a domestic supply?
Not everyone has a domestic hook up.
Tiamat
27-06-2009, 03:03 PM
Gyms are full of them. Just look for young jacked kids with expensive cars :D
I think i know who that is.
What the news missed was that the total amount of steroids was for about 2 months of therapeutic use and all the steroids were very mild steroids (not typically used for bodybuilding purposes) - they were to help heal after surgery for a total bicep rupture that had happened just a week before coming back to Canada. Apparently a 3-week supply of steroids with prescriptions is permitted but they have to be reported. Considering that , a fine of even 1000$ is stupid. I know, because the article is about me!
Knuckles28
27-06-2009, 06:06 PM
What the news missed was that the total amount of steroids was for about 2 months of therapeutic use and all the steroids were very mild steroids (not typically used for bodybuilding purposes) - they were to help heal after surgery for a total bicep rupture that had happened just a week before coming back to Canada. Apparently a 3-week supply of steroids with prescriptions is permitted but they have to be reported. Considering that , a fine of even 1000$ is stupid. I know, because the article is about me!
I live in Halifax and heard the news of this "bust", they the media/po po made it sound a lot worse than it was. ssd if i can ask, was it only a fine? any probation or record at all?
I live in Halifax and heard the news of this "bust", they the media/po po made it sound a lot worse than it was. ssd if i can ask, was it only a fine? any probation or record at all?
Yes it was just a $1000 fine, nothing else. I could have gone to court to fight for it but it would have cost me probably 5-10K in lawyer fees. The lawyer I talked to told me that I had a great chance of winning the case had it gone to court but even that consulting cost me $400!
The Media does exaggerate or hand pick only certain bits of info so that the story will sound sensational.
Kronis
27-06-2009, 06:24 PM
What the news missed was that the total amount of steroids was for about 2 months of therapeutic use and all the steroids were very mild steroids (not typically used for bodybuilding purposes) - they were to help heal after surgery for a total bicep rupture that had happened just a week before coming back to Canada. Apparently a 3-week supply of steroids with prescriptions is permitted but they have to be reported. Considering that , a fine of even 1000$ is stupid. I know, because the article is about me!
I'm glad you got out relatively unscathed but did the story overstate the amount of tabs? 26000 tabs over 2 months is 43 tabs a day. Did you have a lot of 2mg anavar?
I'm glad you got out relatively unscathed but did the story overstate the amount of tabs? 26000 tabs over 2 months is 43 tabs a day. Did you have a lot of 2mg anavar?
That is part of the problem. People reading the article will assume that there were 26000 tabs of steroids. Not only was that total number exaggerated, the total steroids were a very small percentage - around 2,000 tabs in total. and yes most of them were 2mg (among them anavar 2mg would be one of the strongest). very hard to find pharma grade with high dose anyways.
rob66679
27-06-2009, 08:34 PM
What the news missed was that the total amount of steroids was for about 2 months of therapeutic use and all the steroids were very mild steroids (not typically used for bodybuilding purposes) - they were to help heal after surgery for a total bicep rupture that had happened just a week before coming back to Canada. Apparently a 3-week supply of steroids with prescriptions is permitted but they have to be reported. Considering that , a fine of even 1000$ is stupid. I know, because the article is about me!
So you had a script from a doctor in Turkey?
What was the total amount of tabs, if you don't mind me asking?
So you had a script from a doctor in Turkey?
What was the total amount of tabs, if you don't mind me asking?
5 or 6 different steroids totalling around 2000 and yes the prescription was from a doctor in Turkey. But the main problem in my case was that only a 3 week supply of steroids can be imported into Canada, even for theraputic use.
sierra1
28-06-2009, 02:50 AM
If they were from Turkey why did you get a prescription? Steroids are OTC there. It's great.
rob66679
28-06-2009, 05:47 AM
5 or 6 different steroids totalling around 2000 and yes the prescription was from a doctor in Turkey. But the main problem in my case was that only a 3 week supply of steroids can be imported into Canada, even for theraputic use.
If you tried to hide them you must have known you were doing something wrong?
I mean come on man.... I can understand why a professional such as yourself would try to minimize the situation, this could adversely affect your career.
But your doc in Turkey just happened to prescribe you 5 or 6 steroids for your muscle tear, even though AAS is OTC in Turkey, and you were a Champion BB prior to all of this....... I suppose you won a natural title?
Thats a good story for your Lawyer to run with, worked out pretty good for you too.
Knuckles28
28-06-2009, 08:20 AM
you need a script to bring them back, im assuming ssd knew this and just didnt know how much of a supply he could bring back?
rob6679 your post makes you seem like a dick. really who cares if its a natty title or not. im sure all natty competitors dont use something for a edge, ya right. dick
nisser
28-06-2009, 10:34 AM
Do they even recognize scripts from foreign doctors? They certainly won't let a Turkish doctor get near a Canadian patient, so why would they recognize the prescription?
Do they even recognize scripts from foreign doctors? They certainly won't let a Turkish doctor get near a Canadian patient, so why would they recognize the prescription?
I have to say I am glad that when I had the rupture, it didn't happen here in Canada. When it happens, you need the surgery as soon as possible so to muscle deformation would be minimized and you can potentially recover close to 100%. I had the operation next day when I was over there and the doctors couldn't be any better.
When you are hospitalized outside the country, you cannot request or expect to find a Canadian doctor to serve you. Indeed Canadian doctors wouldn't have the licence over there to operate on you, and vice versa. in any case prescriptions would be valid but for steroid types maximum 3 weeks and other prescription meds which are schedule F max 3 months. I don't believe there is a limit for supplements.
MikeyFXD35
28-06-2009, 02:12 PM
The only way you could get in for surgery that quickly here is if it happened at work and WCB was picking up the tab.
rob66679
28-06-2009, 06:01 PM
you need a script to bring them back, im assuming ssd knew this and just didnt know how much of a supply he could bring back?
rob6679 your post makes you seem like a dick. really who cares if its a natty title or not. im sure all natty competitors dont use something for a edge, ya right. dick
Your a stupid gullible dick.
If he took steps to HIDE the aas then OBVIOUSLY he knew what he was doing was illegal.
The point is as a Champion BB chances are he is no stranger to aas, and why didn't he just get a doc in NS to get him a script? I don't give a **** if he uses or not, I do, most of the people on this board do, but how dumb does he really think we are here?
I live in NS too, and I know natty competitors. They do drug testing and lie detectors so I'm told, so chances of getting away with it are slim, IMHO.
This is why I don't like to write on forums. some people in particular feel they can say anything they want and obviously can get away with it.
I do not believe anything I have done was wrong. If I did, I would not have done it. I only wanted to post a correction so that people don't think they can bring tons of stuff and will not get into trouble. Thats why I mentioned that I had 2 months supply and they were prescription. They were not hidden by any means. Anyone could see them. The reason they asked me to pay the fine was bcoz they were more than 3 weeks supply and I had no idea about that rule.
Since I had the surgery there, I had the prescription from the doctor there. However since I could only keep a 3-week supply, I also have prescriptions from here. In reference to an earlier post, I did not have a lawyer since the matter was resolved with the fine and there was no trial.
I do not believe using aas is wrong (if you do it right), even most nattys use it and cut it at the right time. I think it is a very important tool especially when you have a real condition (need for it).
MuSuLPhReAk
28-06-2009, 07:17 PM
Welcome to the forum ssd. The info you brought here can help people in the future from not running into the same problem.
For the rest, please let's keep the bashing to a minimum, it's not like we get this kind of info every day. ssd has first hand experience and is just educating us on the laws.
Not calling you a liar, but as far as I know, there is no law that will allow you to import drugs under a foreign script. Maybe other drugs, which aren't controlled, but for steroids, I have not heard of anything like this. If there is, I would love to be able to read it.
If this is the case, we can go to Mexico or other a third world country and get scripts for 2,500mgs of test a week for 3 weeks and bring back enough for a cycle.
MikeyFXD35
28-06-2009, 11:21 PM
Not calling you a liar, but as far as I know, there is no law that will allow you to import drugs under a foreign script. Maybe other drugs, which aren't controlled, but for steroids, I have not heard of anything like this. If there is, I would love to be able to read it.
If this is the case, we can go to Mexico or other a third world country and get scripts for 2,500mgs of test a week for 3 weeks and bring back enough for a cycle.
I have to have a prescription. If you have a prescription you can have it couriered to you, but you have to submit the doctors note and script to customs. See it all the time.
CAN script or other country script?
Kronis
28-06-2009, 11:49 PM
Why did the article say you hid it in supplement bottles and in a wooden backgammon game?
Not bashing, just bringing up a discrepancy.
MikeyFXD35
28-06-2009, 11:57 PM
either, no different if you were on vacation and something happened to you like this guy. But usually you need the script for a doctor in the country you are buying from to buy the drugs. This is how 1000's of Americans come up here to get there drugs. Now if you look at AAS as if it was any other drug it makes scene but yes there is a limit and the 3 week thing sounds about right. Now getting a foreign doctor to write you a bogus script would be the hard part. Mexico is a but different, if you take you Canadian prescription with you, you can buy the drug there and bring it back. Many seniors do this. But you would need to get the AAS script and the UGL gear is cheaper. My 5 CC 200/ml test-e was 39.90 before my drug plan
rob66679
29-06-2009, 01:32 AM
so one basically has to be caught in the act of trafficking by a law enforcement officer ....
Alot, different than in the states where if a cop stumbles upon a teen with 5-10 baggies packaged a certain way its immediately trafficking
Its two different charges, trafficking would be if you actually sold to an undercover officer or such.
Posession for the purpose of trafficking is much more common, and would happen if you got caught with a large amount + baggies, cash, scales ETC.
If they raid your house and find lots of evidence of trafficking, thats what the charge will be.
Unless you help them out.
either, no different if you were on vacation and something happened to you like this guy. But usually you need the script for a doctor in the country you are buying from to buy the drugs. This is how 1000's of Americans come up here to get there drugs. Now if you look at AAS as if it was any other drug it makes scene but yes there is a limit and the 3 week thing sounds about right. Now getting a foreign doctor to write you a bogus script would be the hard part. Mexico is a but different, if you take you Canadian prescription with you, you can buy the drug there and bring it back. Many seniors do this. But you would need to get the AAS script and the UGL gear is cheaper. My 5 CC 200/ml test-e was 39.90 before my drug plan
Yes 1000s of Americans come up here, but they have their OWN script from the US. That is the key. And that is what I'm talking about, getting a script in a foreign country from a foreign DR. And getting a foreign DR to write a script is fairly easy.
MikeyFXD35
29-06-2009, 10:59 AM
Actually they don't have a foreign script. If you took a out of country script to LD they wouldn't will it. There is a "service" where they can have a Canadian doctor write on for you but its a little shady Here is a quote form one of them
"Manitoba pharmacists are not permitted to fill US physicians' prescriptions. The can only fill prescriptions issued by a physician licensed in a province or territory of Canada. M.Ph.A takes the position that it may be contrary to professional standards for a pharmacist to fill prescriptions by a physician, licensed in a province or territory of Canada, who has not established an acceptable patient physician relationship with you."
My gf forgot her drugs last year when we went to Vegas. We had to go to a drop in clinic and get a US doctor to write one for $175, so you could try and go to the US and tell them you are on TRT and buy 3 weeks worth but is it worth it?
nisser
29-06-2009, 12:16 PM
Actually they don't have a foreign script. If you took a out of country script to LD they wouldn't will it. There is a "service" where they can have a Canadian doctor write on for you but its a little shady Here is a quote form one of them
"Manitoba pharmacists are not permitted to fill US physicians' prescriptions. The can only fill prescriptions issued by a physician licensed in a province or territory of Canada. M.Ph.A takes the position that it may be contrary to professional standards for a pharmacist to fill prescriptions by a physician, licensed in a province or territory of Canada, who has not established an acceptable patient physician relationship with you."
My gf forgot her drugs last year when we went to Vegas. We had to go to a drop in clinic and get a US doctor to write one for $175, so you could try and go to the US and tell them you are on TRT and buy 3 weeks worth but is it worth it?
No but I'm sure you could go to Turkey or Mexico and get it written for 2$ then buy enough gear for a fraction of the cost. Can you see the problem with this when it comes to bringing it back into Canada?
Actually they don't have a foreign script. If you took a out of country script to LD they wouldn't will it. There is a "service" where they can have a Canadian doctor write on for you but its a little shady Here is a quote form one of them
"Manitoba pharmacists are not permitted to fill US physicians' prescriptions. The can only fill prescriptions issued by a physician licensed in a province or territory of Canada. M.Ph.A takes the position that it may be contrary to professional standards for a pharmacist to fill prescriptions by a physician, licensed in a province or territory of Canada, who has not established an acceptable patient physician relationship with you."
My gf forgot her drugs last year when we went to Vegas. We had to go to a drop in clinic and get a US doctor to write one for $175, so you could try and go to the US and tell them you are on TRT and buy 3 weeks worth but is it worth it?
This is what I'm saying lol.
I think you were just mistaking what I was saying.
My original post I said unless I somehow missed the law, you can't go to say Mexico, get a Mexican script for steroids, and bring it back to Canada.
You would need a CAN script to bring it back.
And sssd made it sound like they said it was okay to bring back 3 weeks of a prescription drug, using the foreign (ie Mexican) script.
Not calling you a liar, but as far as I know, there is no law that will allow you to import drugs under a foreign script. Maybe other drugs, which aren't controlled, but for steroids, I have not heard of anything like this. If there is, I would love to be able to read it.
If this is the case, we can go to Mexico or other a third world country and get scripts for 2,500mgs of test a week for 3 weeks and bring back enough for a cycle.
I don't know all the tech. details but there are several ways to import a precription med. One you can have a prescription here and if the drug is not available in Canada, there are certain paper work and you can import..and the limit for aas is 2 to 3 weeks at a time and for other meds 3-month.
Apparently when you are importing in person, when you are under a treatment, they still let you have 2 to 3 weeks of ass so that the treatment is not interrupted (I read CBSA importation rules after the incident and it does not say it has to be issued by a Canadian doctor). But you should have a letter from the doctor explaining your treatment, you should have the meds in your carry-on and declare to customs.
My take it if you can find it other ways.. it is not worth it!
Actually they don't have a foreign script. If you took a out of country script to LD they wouldn't will it. There is a "service" where they can have a Canadian doctor write on for you but its a little shady Here is a quote form one of them
"Manitoba pharmacists are not permitted to fill US physicians' prescriptions. The can only fill prescriptions issued by a physician licensed in a province or territory of Canada. M.Ph.A takes the position that it may be contrary to professional standards for a pharmacist to fill prescriptions by a physician, licensed in a province or territory of Canada, who has not established an acceptable patient physician relationship with you."
My gf forgot her drugs last year when we went to Vegas. We had to go to a drop in clinic and get a US doctor to write one for $175, so you could try and go to the US and tell them you are on TRT and buy 3 weeks worth but is it worth it?
Yes you are right. Even a Canadian doctor's prescription is ONLY valid in the doctor's province. You can not get a prescription form a doctor in Alberta and get it from a pharmacy from BC.
Why did the article say you hid it in supplement bottles and in a wooden backgammon game?
Not bashing, just bringing up a discrepancy.
I have a lot of natural supplements but no aas wasnot in those boxes. Some of them were in a game board box but the box wasn't sealed or it couldn't be locked. I think I threw some in there because of lack of room and so that they don't get busted. It is not a good idea to hide even a prescription. If the officials dealt with it believed that they were hidden, they would charge with smuggling at minimum.
This is what I'm saying lol.
I think you were just mistaking what I was saying.
My original post I said unless I somehow missed the law, you can't go to say Mexico, get a Mexican script for steroids, and bring it back to Canada.
You would need a CAN script to bring it back.
And sssd made it sound like they said it was okay to bring back 3 weeks of a prescription drug, using the foreign (ie Mexican) script.
Well, I don't wanna misinform anyone. All I can say it was never an issue in my case. Maybe because they could see I had a surgery. But again CBSA importation rules doesnt specify if it has to be a Canadian script. I think if it is legitimate reason, they cannot refuse any doctors script. That is why they have 2 or 3 weeks max rule.
But more importantly you cannot get overdosed stuff with prescription. Therapeutic use for test for instance is around 100mg (0.1g) a week (max is 200mg).
Again it would not worth!
But more importantly you cannot get overdosed stuff with prescription. Therapeutic use for test for instance is around 100mg (0.1g) a week (max is 200mg).
Again it would not worth!
Yeah, but there is nothing in stone really, so it could be pushed if they wanted.
Yeah, but there is nothing in stone really, so it could be pushed if they wanted.
Good point. But if you declare to the customs, they cannot punish you. All they can do it is to take stuff if they think it is not by the book. And in that case you can appeal to ministry if you think they should have let you keep it.
Did you guys know that you can not even give aas to your friend (even as a gift)? If they want and if they can prove it, they can charge you for it.
Basically buying or giving aas is not legal. Possession on the other hand is legal.
Even talking about selling is illegal.
Time to close this thread now.
Kronis
29-06-2009, 10:18 PM
I have a lot of natural supplements but no aas wasnot in those boxes. Some of them were in a game board box but the box wasn't sealed or it couldn't be locked. I think I threw some in there because of lack of room and so that they don't get busted. It is not a good idea to hide even a prescription. If the officials dealt with it believed that they were hidden, they would charge with smuggling at minimum.
Thanks for answering. That makes sense, I pack little stuff like that all the time when I fly.
Tiamat
29-06-2009, 10:21 PM
Even talking about selling is illegal.
This is why most forums don't allow talking about buying or selling (source posts and asking for sources). The charge is called conspiracy to traffic. The rules are in place to protect us all and to protect the board.
God help us if they resort to hunting down people and charging them for talking about selling/buying steroids.
Tiamat
29-06-2009, 10:54 PM
God help us if they resort to hunting down people and charging them for talking about selling/buying steroids.
Ya, we can probably say we live in a police state if it comes to that. It's already borderline now as is. The gov't and police have way to much power over our lives and yearn to get more. Kinda 1984 feeling.
MikeyFXD35
30-06-2009, 05:37 PM
God help us if they resort to hunting down people and charging them for talking about selling/buying steroids.
I don't think they would hunt down the members, they would just force the site to close.
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