Tbol vs. Winny; Strength

[Bowlcut]

Looking to hear some input as to people who have ran BOTH and what they found was better for strength increases?
I have used dbol but with an AI I found the strength increases insignificant where as with winny nice pumps and good strength.

My buddy is looking to start a second cycle and we haven't decided if he should run winny or tbol with some prop. He is after mass mostly, but he wouldn't mind hardening up.

[tarnow]

I've tried winny at 50mg/day with russian sust 500mg/week and t-bol at 40mg alongside test e 600mg/week. I think the t-bol was far better. Nice strength gains and vascularity. I tried it 60mg for a couple of days, but all I got was more acne and heartburn.

[Bowlcut]

I've tried winny at 50mg/day with russian sust 500mg/week and t-bol at 40mg alongside test e 600mg/week. I think the t-bol was far better. Nice strength gains and vascularity. I tried it 60mg for a couple of days, but all I got was more acne and heartburn.

Did you find the acne went away quickly? My friend is concerned about it but I told him that it is such a short cycle that even if he does get some he can go to his doc and get a script for a topical cream or something like that.
This is he 2nd cycle and I suggested 40mg/day for 4 weeks? Sound pretty decent along with 150mg of prop EoD?

[tarnow]

Did you find the acne went away quickly? My friend is concerned about it but I told him that it is such a short cycle that even if he does get some he can go to his doc and get a script for a topical cream or something like that.
This is he 2nd cycle and I suggested 40mg/day for 4 weeks? Sound pretty decent along with 150mg of prop EoD?

It didn't totally go away, but it was a marked improvement. I would run it for 6 weeks it's not that harsh of an oral.


bro was the tbol and win together?

No, 2 seperate cycles.

[Bowlcut]

That does seem to be the consensus of running tbol for 6 weeks, but as acne is of a concern for him I am not too sure he would be down.

Personally the only acne I have ever gotten was some minor on my shoulders and that was from nandrolone. Test never makes me break out so from now on my cycles (depending on whether or not I end up on HRT) are going to be basically just test. Maybe something else, but test is best!

What's your next cycle looking like Tarnow?

[tarnow]

That does seem to be the consensus of running tbol for 6 weeks, but as acne is of a concern for him I am not too sure he would be down.

Personally the only acne I have ever gotten was some minor on my shoulders and that was from nandrolone. Test never makes me break out so from now on my cycles (depending on whether or not I end up on HRT) are going to be basically just test. Maybe something else, but test is best!

What's your next cycle looking like Tarnow?

My next one will be Test P, t-bol and either TrenA or NPP. Planning on running a short one, maybe 6-8 weeks, to gauge how I react to either Tren or NPP so I can run the Enenthate ester of either one in the summer.

[oster]

My next one will be Test P, t-bol and either TrenA or NPP. Planning on running a short one, maybe 6-8 weeks, to gauge how I react to either Tren or NPP so I can run the Enenthate ester of either one in the summer.

Thats a good idea, I'm planning out my next cycle and wanted to add some tren in there to try it out, heard to many good things about it.


Also, my previous cycle I ran some winny and got really bad joint pain from it so I cut it short, it differs for everyone but I wont run it again.

[Bowlcut]

My next one will be Test P, t-bol and either TrenA or NPP. Planning on running a short one, maybe 6-8 weeks, to gauge how I react to either Tren or NPP so I can run the Enenthate ester of either one in the summer.

In my opinion I found deca over rated. That is just mine. Didn't gain too well off of it even though diet was solid ( I had a union job which meant I had lots of time to eat and shit)

Have you ever run abombs?
I like the idea of a short cycle with crop. Quicker rebound time, less bloat, and better strength gains than longer esters.

[Bowlcut]

What about Abombs vs. Tbol?
50mg of drol vs 40mg of tbol?

[bigdaddydrew123]

im lucky ive been running winnie for about 8 weeks with no joint pain, some guys escape that. i like winnie with test. but havent tried tbol.

[Bowlcut]

strength goes to abombs hands down...as does water retention, toxicity and difficulty to maintain those gains.

I guess for my friend I am going to suggest some tbol, as for me I might also suggest some tbol.

Jap what dose of abombs have you ran?

[Bowlcut]

You got big bloat from the drol eh?
Have you ran superdrol/superjunk? Some guys sweat by it while other detest its existence.

[ergie]

150mg of drol, wow Jap you musta felt like crap hey?

[ergie]

I just wanted to call you Jap lol

[ergie]

You got big bloat from the drol eh?
Have you ran superdrol/superjunk? Some guys sweat by it while other detest its existence.

Superdrol, thats just methyl-drostanolone right?

[Bowlcut]

Superdrol, thats just methyl-drostanolone right?

Yeah that is the stuff. Some say they get huge gains but lethargy like no other. I think with test the lethargy should be minimalized.

[ergie]

I've got a couple hundred laying around, maybe I"ll give em a try. Anybody have exp with them?

[Mr.Freeze]

kind of like m1t but less side!

[Bowlcut]

kind of like m1t but less side!

What you run the stuff again? It is toxic on the liver and hard on lipids for some people so one has to wonder if something like tbol is a better bet.

[bigdaddydrew123]

Looking to hear some input as to people who have ran BOTH and what they found was better for strength increases?
I have used dbol but with an AI I found the strength increases insignificant where as with winny nice pumps and good strength.

My buddy is looking to start a second cycle and we haven't decided if he should run winny or tbol with some prop. He is after mass mostly, but he wouldn't mind hardening up.
prop and winnie was one of my fav cycles , i got friggin strong. just dont do too many low reps keep reps arround 8 to 12 and joint pain is tollerable although it wasnt an issue at all for me

[Bowlcut]

prop and winnie was one of my fav cycles , i got friggin strong. just dont do too many low reps keep reps arround 8 to 12 and joint pain is tollerable although it wasnt an issue at all for me

I never had any joint pain from the cycle you mentioned. I personally think if a person wouldn't get source joints than this is THE cycle to use. 6 week is a good time because you are not shut down for as long as one would be in a 14 week cycle, so the recovery can be easier.

Prop too is the best form of test because it "kicks in" faster and unlike suspension doesn't have any issues injecting it.

[bigdaddydrew123]

I never had any joint pain from the cycle you mentioned. I personally think if a person wouldn't get source joints than this is THE cycle to use. 6 week is a good time because you are not shut down for as long as one would be in a 14 week cycle, so the recovery can be easier.

Prop too is the best form of test because it "kicks in" faster and unlike suspension doesn't have any issues injecting it.
imo id go a little longer on this cycle. its his second , try 8 or 10 weeks , i feel gains are more maitainable on longer cycles, that my experience anyway.

[rated_rko]

hey ferg...i used the drol...back in the day gaing 10lbs in 3 weeks with good diet lethargy was non existant

[spiderman7]

Superdrol worked extremely well at increasing strength and the gains I attained were dry lean ones. It did make me feel like shit,tired and endurance was shot when doing cardio.

[Mr.Freeze]

any pain in the lower back?

[spiderman7]

any pain in the lower back?

Yep.Lower back cramps.Some say it could be avoided with Taurine supplementation. To be honest the shit really worked.I think strength
shot up quick,looked more defined......but felt like sleeping alot.

[gustavo77]

Yep.Lower back cramps.Some say it could be avoided with Taurine supplementation. To be honest the shit really worked.I think strength
shot up quick,looked more defined......but felt like sleeping alot.

Where you running any test with it??

[Mr.Freeze]

i dont think so zzzzsleepy!

[spiderman7]

Where you running any test with it??

Yes 400mg/week at 200mg shot twice a week.