Proposed new law

[dinosaur]

hmmm

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_35432.aspx

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/government-of-canada-introduces-legislation-to-fight-crime-in-the-21st-century-20096181130330

[LIVEHARD]

That is so F'Ked it will close forms

[LIVEHARD]

hmmm

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_35432.aspx

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/government-of-canada-introduces-legislation-to-fight-crime-in-the-21st-century-20096181130330

They use excuses like crime to invade peoples privacy

i see copers walk by assaults & drug offenses daily :wtf

[ubcpower]

you think they are not already doing this?

[waderow]

^^^ with warrants... the key here is warrantless searches. bad news for freedom

[marino]

not good, innocent until proven guilty out the window. Makes me think about any joke or comment about drugs, sex, religion or race will now be investigated and I will be considered a criminal. Look through some of these threads and realize how many of us would be in the gun sights. Freedom of speech is gone.....

[baza]

We are trying to be the US.

[Tiamat]

That is why everyone must only discuss sensitive issues in a secure email. Preferably with an ip that isn't your house.

[RagingRandy]

The second article says warrants are still required.

[simone]

Our freedoms are slowly being ripped from us day by day...

People need to starve the government off...

Police have WAY to much power as is.

[waderow]

what is the best way to mask IP?

see new forum thread for discussion
http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?p=208812#post208812

[CBB loves Japan]

what is the best way to mask IP?

see new forum thread for discussion
http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?p=208812#post208812

Hey waderow, the best is to download something called he vidalia bundle which includes TOR, the onion router and it masks ip very well.

[SmallieBigs]

what is the best way to mask IP?

see new forum thread for discussion
http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?p=208812#post208812


Hey waderow, the best is to download something called he vidalia bundle which includes TOR, the onion router and it masks ip very well.

I have no f'n clue what either of you are talkin' about... but I am cpu retarded... so no surprise, would be interested in this stuff too if I had even the slightest what all that shit meant.... :puff

[theboss]

Hey waderow, the best is to download something called he vidalia bundle which includes TOR, the onion router and it masks ip very well.

i found it annoyingly slow....so i uninstalled....was going to give it another go but when i install it cant find tor.exe..is that not part of the bundle install? every use easy-hide-IP ?

[BritishColumbian]

I dont give a **** what they do anymore, they will have to pry my keyboard from my cold dead fingers.

[tiramisu]

hm, "pry my gun from my cold dead fingers"... I'm pretty sure moses is dead.

There is already enough abuse of "cause" both in issuing warrants and in avoiding them.
"May I come in" is not an invitation to search.
... and "No" is not a suspicious activity.

I underestand the policeman's zeal but they need to uphold the law rather than abuse it.
On the plus side they are mostly pretty good and thank goodness we aren't american.

While some city police have gotten out of hand the rcmp/opp still try very hard to maintain a level of professionalism that keeps them (IMHO) in the ranks of the good guys.

While I may not like the laws around aas I tend to appreciate our police forces over the american model.

[macka]

What the government is banking on is the sheeple complying with these new regulations when they are passed. I cannot believe that they would go after the rights of many to get a few extra arrests. I don't think my grandparents fought to see this country become a communist or fascist state with no rights of privacy.

[nii]

If people think their traffic isn't being scanned already, then they live in a bubble :p


Hey waderow, the best is to download something called he vidalia bundle which includes TOR, the onion router and it masks ip very well.

You only need this kind of protection if you're running a high amount of product lol.

[MikeyFXD35]

I like how they throw in the "terrorism" comment. Getting tried of that excuse to go after everything.

[nitrous]

if i want to do something anonymously i can.. i majored in network security when i got my bachelors and i can say there is always a way...

simplest and easiest way (although additional redunancies would be put in place for additional anonymity) is using proxies.

the problem is that at this point it is quite a bit slower.. but in the future when laws may become more strict bandwidth will have already increased enough to compensate

[jsv22]

i heard this on the news, this is ****ing outrageous...

****ing politicians are worthless pieces of shit. Of course, the US just passed a similar law, so now we're following suit like everything else..

damnit i just deleted my proxy software b/c it's so damn slow....i'm going to dl it again if this passes

[RagingRandy]

Here is a list of available web proxy servers. No software install required.
http://www.stayinvisible.com/web_proxy_list.html

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Just because your ip is different, doesn't mean someone with access to the site you are going on can't find the original ip. Do not trust proxies imo.

[dinosaur]

Just because your ip is different, doesn't mean someone with access to the site you are going on can't find the original ip. Do not trust proxies imo.


agreed... there are all these ways to mask your IP etc, but at the end of the day, if you're doing something 'bad' enough that the police want to see what you're doing, they'll getcha...

if somebody is smart enough to make a program to hide you, there is somebody smart enough to find you.

[champcar99]

this is justed ****ed...what next ? if this bill passes it will lead too more bills like this...the only thing i can think of but I don't know if it's possible is pay as you go phone and do buisness by phone...no names will be used to set up the pay as you go phone .. LE trying to bust the buyer on a buy would be very hard to do if not impossible , how is LE going to know you want to buy some gear ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE unless the buyer tells a friend and the friend calls the LE..If by chance you are a REP and I don't think anyone here on this forum is to my knowledge.. give out your pay as you go phone number to your friends and wait for the calls or texts that way they will need a warrant to listen to your calls and hope no one rats you out... if in fact that this bill pass'es you will be SCREWED if you are doing business online..

[Tiamat]

There are tracking devices on phones. Not so safe.

[champcar99]

correct bro, but if they have no knowledge of you being a rep in the first place how are they even going to know also how are they to know if you bought a pay as you go phone.. you dont have to register it in your name....the only problem will be a informant that I can see

[LIVEHARD]

correct bro, but if they have no knowledge of you being a rep in the first place how are they even going to know also how are they to know if you bought a pay as you go phone.. you don't have to register it in your name....the only problem will be a informant that I can see

So you know part of the law proposed law is all pay as you go must be activated with a valid id

i guess its back to carrier pigeons

[LIVEHARD]

Just because your ip is different, doesn't mean someone with access to the site you are going on can't find the original ip. Do not trust proxies imo.

Thank you

[champcar99]

So you know part of the law proposed law is all pay as you go must be activated with a valid id

i guess its back to carrier pigeons

jeezez...

[rob66679]

This hasn't passed yet. Just because a bill is introduced doesn't mean it will pass. Especially in a minority government.
Remember the bill to de-criminalize marijuana a few years back? Never passed because they stalled long enough for all the suits to go on vacation. Bills have a shelf life.
This is just political bullshit, conservatives trying to look good by looking tough on crime, same as always.

Even if it does pass, is LE really going after everybody trying to obtain a personal amount? About 3 weeks ago in Halifax, a guy was caught at the Airport trying to bring 26k pills back from Turkey. He got a 1k fine, and the judge noted that posession isn't illegal.
I don't think the user is the target here, LE doesn't have the resources to do it, just like they don't bother to charge anybody for pot posession anymore.

[monkey]

Even if it does pass, is LE really going after everybody trying to obtain a personal amount? About 3 weeks ago in Halifax, a guy was caught at the Airport trying to bring 26k pills back from Turkey. He got a 1k fine, and the judge noted that posession isn't illegal.
I don't think the user is the target here, LE doesn't have the resources to do it, just like they don't bother to charge anybody for pot posession anymore.[/QUOTE]

Valid points.... but still, do you wanna find out the hard way?? They will have to start somewhere if they want to bring down UG labs. In the end, they might not be after end users... but I prefer not being caught up in that shit.
Wonder how comfortable people will feel posting gear pics if this goes through

I am not too worried when it comes to obtaining gear. There is a profit to be made and somebody will find a way to make it, no matter what happens. I guess it's just the fundamental idea of loosing the current rights.

The danger is that usually once a bill is passed, new regulations follow that further deepen the topic. It's like opening a door. Once this is passed, the initial outcry will pass and further, more restricitve bills can be passed without much public outcry. You give them the litte finger, they will take your whole hand.

[cdnsoldier]

Hey waderow, the best is to download something called he vidalia bundle which includes TOR, the onion router and it masks ip very well.

You do realize that about 50% of TOR exit nodes are government institutuions right? The other 50% are God knows who.

Don't use TOR. Everyone inthe security biz knows that. It's free for a reason.

[cdnsoldier]

Even if it does pass, is LE really going after everybody trying to obtain a personal amount? About 3 weeks ago in Halifax, a guy was caught at the Airport trying to bring 26k pills back from Turkey. He got a 1k fine, and the judge noted that posession isn't illegal.
I don't think the user is the target here, LE doesn't have the resources to do it, just like they don't bother to charge anybody for pot posession anymore.



Canadian Law being Canadian Law that same dude could have been caught in Toronto and received 2 years. Don't think because person A got sentence A, person B wil get Sentence A. Doesn't work that way.


Cops are messed up. If they want to make an example of you and can pull your ISP records at will they will make a moehill look like a mountain. They always do.

[L3]

Don't think because person A got sentence A, person B wil get Sentence A. Doesn't work that way.

:puff
cause precedents do not apply in candian law???

[cdnsoldier]

:puff
cause precedents do not apply in candian law???

In Canadian Criminal Law? You're kidding right? There are 'guidelines' that vary from house arrest-25 years.

For example you get convicted for importing the guidlines is "up to life in prison". Others have "upto 5 years in prison". Go look at the varying sentences for manslaughter (especially DUI ones). Some guys get house arrest, other's get 5 years, other's get suspecnded sentence. It's all over the place.

So the judge can give you one year or life. He doesn't care about precedent. He gives what he feels are right under the broad and vast guidelines to sentencing.


go sit in criminal court for a day and you'll make no ryhme or reasoning nehind what happens.

[L3]

So the judge can give you one year or life. He doesn't care about precedent. He gives what he feels are right under the broad and vast guidelines to sentencing.


true, but i think you may be overlooking one variable:

spending $$$ on a good lawyer


PS. the last time i took a class about law was about 7 years ago, so only take my comments with a grain of salt

[cdnsoldier]

true, but i think you may be overlooking one variable:

spending $$$ on a good lawyer


PS. the last time i took a class about law was about 7 years ago, so only take my comments with a grain of salt


A good lawyer is all the difference. Since 70% of all cases end up in plea bargain you need a good lawyer. It's all about getting a good joint submission to the judge. BUt a good lawyer who can turn water into wine can only get you so far if they hard evidence against you and in canada the cops are pretty good at that.

[bigZ241]

Ok I'm coming out of left field on this one, so here we go!

Who gives a shit if this passes? look at all the laws in the states, look at operation raw deal, look at whatever you want. Has the steroid game slowed at all in the states? I'd almost say it's "better" than ever. You can get raw powder to the states in 6 business days with a %100 resend guarantee.

The only thing Canada has the states doesn't is the Vancouver border. But even that, why should that matter, google the border between the states and Canada... big aint it... how many people go through it un-searched a day?!

This will change the game, nothing can kill it, try as they might. I'll say it once, and i'll say it a billion times, look at prohibition... Illegal substances used by the MASSES regardless of the law. Lets not kid ourselves, there's a lot of steroids out there. This is going to be an ongoing fight until the government realizes this is an opportunity to profit from and to regulate steroids, same as alcohol. Better yet the mortality rate of alcohol compared to steroids, why not tax this stuff....

This all being said, if this passes it'll catch child porn and molesters, not people with lab rats they do experiments on with hormones. i once read a statistic that 1 in 4 people at ANY given gym use illegal performance enhancers. How can government ever stop that...?

Yes, things might get ugly in the transition period, but time will pass, and things will probably get more efficient in terms of steroids. necessity is the mother of all invention, and UGLs will always find a way. ****, how many cop friends do you know who use steroids...? I got a few

I'm ending my rant here. flame away

Ok, one more point. The only thing that has slowed the steroid game was having the Olympics in china, and that was a slowing, nothing stopped completely

[rob66679]

In Canadian Criminal Law? You're kidding right? There are 'guidelines' that vary from house arrest-25 years.

For example you get convicted for importing the guidlines is "up to life in prison". Others have "upto 5 years in prison". Go look at the varying sentences for manslaughter (especially DUI ones). Some guys get house arrest, other's get 5 years, other's get suspecnded sentence. It's all over the place.

So the judge can give you one year or life. He doesn't care about precedent. He gives what he feels are right under the broad and vast guidelines to sentencing.


go sit in criminal court for a day and you'll make no ryhme or reasoning nehind what happens.

The sticky said 3 years max if its indictable, one year for summary. And thats for trafficking or importation, there is no offence of posession.
The appeals court does care about the precedent, and prior convictions are taken into account. If customs doesn't always seize opened packages containing aas, that tells me its not a priority.
Whats the maximum for growing or selling weed? how often does someone actually go to prison for it? The possibilitys always there, but that doesn't mean its happening. The maximum for breaking and entering is life, it doesn't happen though. And if it did it would be overturned by the appeal.
The liberals tabled a very similar bill and it died. This one probably will too.

[Body By Balco]

And these are the kind of stand up ****ers that will be investigating YOU!




Newly disclosed RCMP email drops bombshell on Taser inquiry
'I am obviously appalled,' Braidwood inquiry head says in delaying probe
Last Updated: Friday, June 19, 2009 | 1:34 PM PT Comments352Recommend252.
CBC News
The unexpected disclosure of a key email between senior RCMP officers has raised questions about officers' testimony at the Braidwood inquiry into the death of Robert Dziekanski, resulting in a delay of the probe in Vancouver until September.

The email between two senior RCMP supervisors suggests that the four Mounties who responded to a call at the airport discussed a plan to use a Taser against the Polish immigrant before they arrived.

The four officers had already stated under oath at the inquiry that they had not discussed using the stun gun before arriving at the airport.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2009/06/19/bc-braidwood-inquiry-delay-rcmp-email.html

[Body By Balco]

From the Toronto Star.

Read them, ponder them and then phone you overpaid MP and make you opinion known.


Toronto Star reader comments

For the protection of children, information is already given!! Therefore, that is a bogus argument! For me, my worry is that the government could request the "police" to gather information about persons who have been critical about the government! I am very critical of this Con government and I really am distrustful of this government because I really do think that they would every tool they could to stay in power!!

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This is NOT about the children...
That excuse has been used to make opposition seem indefensible. This is about the police and government being able to monitor and undermine critics and disidents. If this goes through, you better not comment on the corruption in the police or government anymore.

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your right! This is bad news for everyone. There is no such thing as "well, so long as I am not behaving badly, it won't effect me" but that is simply not the case. This allows for everyone to be under scrutiny and it is very very McCarthian. They will also track every activist group that may attempt to rally against this McCarthy government! It is B-Shit! Iran? China? Here we come!

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Orwell works in Ottawa
You have got to be kidding? Whats next, they want 24 hr a day access to our webcams? This get tough on criminals stance they (conservatives) have.. which seems is the only one they got.. It's just gone too far, we've been stripped of our constitutional rights and dont even know it, its making criminals out of common people. People make verbal blunders online all the time, now our injustice industry wants to capitolize on that too? Am I the only one who finds this scarey as hell?

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Protect yourself!
Why should the police be able to do this without a court order. They need one to tap your phone, so why should this be any different? Will they also start requiring the phone companies to record your phone calls? One thing you can do to protect yourself, is to use encryption. You can encrypt your email, by using PGP, a free encryption program or readily available X.509 certificates. You can get a free, personal use, email certificate from www.thawte.com, which works with many email programs to encrypt your email. You can also use PGP to encrypt files stored on your computer or removable media.

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must be stopped!
If you think for a second that the government and the cops are not going to abuse this, you are sadly mistaken! This is a total violation of our rights to privacy. Once it's in it will never be taken out! The Government will always be spying on you. Don't be fooled, this is NOT in your best interest! They already have technology in place to nab the child pornographers, in fact Canada has the most advanced system in the world. Now they are trying to step way over the line and violate ALL of our rights to privacy. Harper must be stopped! Summer Election Iggy!!! Don't be fools, fight this!

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IRANADA
The government of Canada has no right to snoop through my private e-mail correspondence without a judicial warrant. Anything less is an erosion of hardfought rights won to secure information about our private lives. Does any Canadian actually TRUST either the RCMP or this government with their private on-line information? Ah, an qualified NO!Get a warrant and don't be so frakking lazy. If you don't have enough information then too bad. Everyone wants to protect children but not at the loss of civil liberties.

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R.C.M.P. already invade privacy
Our internet service provider released my husband's name, address, and telephone number to the R.C.M.P. because our url showed that we looked at a R.C.M.P. tip site three times. I had a threatening phone call in which it was suggested my husband could be a terrorist because he had looked at the tip site and at that time the police stated we had no right to expect privacy if we looked at a tip site. So much for anonymous tips right?

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Here we go again
This is a disgrace. The police are asking for a level of intrusion that goes far beyond what they describe. To have access to such a broad range of person information is in no way justified. We live in a free and democratic society and as a law abiding citizen I am entitled to my privacy.

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Good News for Canada Post
So it's back to writing with pens and licking stamps, is it? Let's all have a look at who votes for and who against and take appropriate action. The `Wars' on terrorism, drugs, and whatever else comes up are no excuses for massive invasions of privacy. We have so little left.

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Sure & they'd be accountable - H Ha
If the p0olice, read RCMP & CSIS were held accountable for their actions rather than permitted to simply cover up, this sounds excellent AS ONE STEP CLOSER TO A POLICE STATE. Mr. Harper FINALLY obeyed the orders of our HIGH COURTS. 12 young people are still in jail over coffee in Coldwater Ontario. 2 years now 3 ?? and no actual legal proceedings = a police state for if they were actually guilty of anything but talk, they would have been charged formally and been on trial LONG AGO. DON'T TALK ON YOUR EMAIL TO A FRIEND OR IN COMMENTS ON THE NEWSPAPER; ESPECIALLY DON'T TALK IF YOU HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE IN YOUR HAND thqt's an automatic jail sentence of years without trial. Snip by tiny snip we give up our basic values.

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Big Brother
Harpers latest move "Lets spy on all Canadians, & turn Canada into a police state". I'm all for national security, but this is disgusting. Next, there will be cameras on every corner, not to catch speeders. but to spy on us. Harper & his goons Nicholson & Van Loan, are attempting to destroy Canada & the Canadian way of life. Puleeze, we need an election to remove these control freaks, before they take away more of our freedom.

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Orwell would be proud
since most canadians are spineless wimps, they will let this bill pass without a fight.