Scammers

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Seems like it's becoming a serious issue out there. I will have to address this soon but I also want everyone to understand that cbb is not here to police transactions gone wrong during illegal activity.

But scammers are the bane of the earth and need to be dealth with.


I'm deciding how to approach this without putting the site, myself or the members at risk. If anyone has any ideas, please share them.

[RagingRandy]

If the info was kept generic and not disclosed what was supposed to pass hands during the transaction I do not think there would be an issue. For instance you can have a LOSER or POS section and list them there. The problem lies in people slagging the competition. I think that, like the pics area, there should be a post minimum and the offending party would need more than one strike to make the list.

[8heyzeus4]

I think the above post is a perfect solution.

[LIVEHARD]

If the info was kept generic and not disclosed what was supposed to pass hands during the transaction I do not think there would be an issue. For instance you can have a LOSER or POS section and list them there. The problem lies in people slagging the competition. I think that, like the pics area, there should be a post minimum and the offending party would need more than one strike to make the list.

I think Randy has a great idea. Like anything it will need fine tuning to be fair to all.

I came to this sight i think it's the best form out there. Some of the other forms have way too many scams and salesmen

I hope you can keep it safe good luck

[trainharder]

I think that, like the pics area, there should be a post minimum and the offending party would need more than one strike to make the list.

I agree.

Only problem is that the majority of people that get scammed are newbies..that will have low post counts. (The vets usually have good sources so aren't prone to getting scammed).

As a result, it's possible that the majority of those who do get scammed wouldn't have enough posts to report it.

[Drummer]

When you have a section on scammers you are blatently saying that we are dealing with illegal transactions. Ive only seen such forums in places where there is open sourcing. I would not recommend such a section. No matter what, there will always be scammers, and its up to the individual to privately report it to an Admin if there is a scammers trolling this board. Out of the public eye. Just my HO.

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[theboss]

i have to agree with Drummer on this....i dont think it will end in a good way.

[cdnsoldier]

It's either a "source" board or it isn't a "source" board. Once you have a scammer section you tell the world you're a "source" board. No different than Outlaw Muscle or others.

If people are getting scammed via PM, tough. You aren't supposed to buying via PM anyways right?

[canadianmuscle0803]

proper information and good referrals for the supplier and consumer.. one needs to be educated in how to approach a situation when trying to find a good source.. dont trust just anyone out there.. make sure they have a solid rep..

i can't stand scammers........ scum of the earth in my opinion.

[cdnsoldier]

How are people getting scammed anyways? Is it being done through PM's? If that is the case have a "disputes" area where you can call the scammer out. That way you don't have to waste time getting involved and people know a member may be a shady ****.

But getting involved in this stuff reeks of stuff going on behind the scenes that shouldn't. It's a tough spot you are in.

[Kronis]

I'm with canadianmuscle and Drummer, I think people will just have to do their own leg work to avoid scammers. By having a "scammer section" it basically outs all those involved in the transaction and there's bound to be a couple "Person X scammed me..." then 3 days later a follow up post of "My bad, everything went through, he's great!" which basically tells everyone reading that person X is a source.

You're buying drugs; make small purchases and build up a rapport with your source. If you don't want to lose thousands of dollars then make more orders for smaller amounts.

[deleteduser0002]

I think there obviously needs more than just one persons say so to declare someone a scammer. There needs to be some kind of proof....or multiple complaints from different people to admin/mods. But I do think if it can be verified that someone is scamming people they should be publicly outed. The last thing we need are scumbag scammers operating on this board and ripping people off at will because no one knows they're scamming people...thus almost endless supply of victims.

[tiramisu]

Options that I can see:
1. Banned / ip and user name
2. Informed clearly that they are engaged in a felony (pretending to sell drugs is no different from selling them.
3. It should be made clear to them that their contact information / ip information could be posted or forwarded to either their local police or the rcmp as the case may be.
4. Publicly identified as banned for breaking rule #X,
5. Clubbed like a baby seal

While item #3 is harsh it should be made clear the cbb doesn't aid or abet this behavior and the consequences of being caught continuing could be very real for those individuals who are found to be abusing this board and its users.

[BritishColumbian]

Call me paranoid but I was thinking that someone(the law) would make up two user accounts and then report one as a scammer to get a source from someone that feels sorry for the person getting scammed. Also I think its iether an open source board or Not there cant be any middle ground. I have been getting alot of PM's from people with 1 or 2 posts fishing lately. I honestly dont know, this is a tuff one. Scammers should be drug behind my pickuptruck with a logging chain and then clubbed like a baby seal.

[BAM]

Ultimately, if somene gets scammed when purchasing Protein etc by a member of this board, whos responsibility is it? Somebody has to deal with it. It can't be ignored.

[Danger]

I'm with canadianmuscle and Drummer, I think people will just have to do their own leg work to avoid scammers. By having a "scammer section" it basically outs all those involved in the transaction and there's bound to be a couple "Person X scammed me..." then 3 days later a follow up post of "My bad, everything went through, he's great!" which basically tells everyone reading that person X is a source.


I agree, at most post up a warning sticky to remind people that following the rules of the forums is the best way to avoid being scammed, if they dont want to follow the rules then they know the risks and its their problem.

[rob66679]

You def have good intentions, but like most here have said its very hard to say who the scamming sources are without becoming a source board. Most source boards are also very biased IMHO, because most are being funded by on side or the other. If you said one side was a scam, the reps for side two will be here trolling and spamming. Thats how things go, and thats part of why this board is so much better than flame fests like BOS.

My HO is everybody should do their research, and draw their own conclusions. It takes time, but in the end you can find the truth.

Maybe you could do a checklist for signs that a source is GTG?
Just give out the big red flag warning signs, what to stay away from.
Totally generic terms.
Just my noob 2 cents.

[mikeok]

Well considering that this is a board for info only i don't really think theres anything we can really do. If someone wants to send money to someone he just met on a new board he just joined well tough shit.
Scammers will always be here. Its just the way it is. We try to confront the issue then we become a source board and then the rcmp crawls into our asses instead of just sniffing them
Its real simple!
IF YOU ARE NEW TO THIS BOARD NO LEGITIMATE SOURCE WILL TOUCH YOU OR CONTACT YOU. ITS THE TRUTH NO MATTER HOW CONVINCING THE PM YOU RECEIVE IS YOU ARE GETTING SCAMMED. WE DONT SELL DRUGS HERE WE GIVE AWAY INFORMATION FOR FREE!!! end of story

[Drummer]

there is a lot of fishing going on lately. That means that people are getting the impression that they can create an account and get steroids here. This will eventually cause CBB to get the wrong attention, and id hate to see musclephreak start having to answer questions from law enforcers. The steroid section itself should be kept to general questions about compounds, and advice on cycling in general. Im not even a fan of the pictures section. I think that should go too. All of this type of thing should take place on people private chat accounts eslewhere. Its just that things are ramping up a bit around here, and no one can be sure who all these people are that are wanting cycle advice on the first post, or the hilarious PM's asking for sources or source checks.

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[nisser]

I think the best solution is to stick a thread telling people how to prevent being scammed. I know it seems silly but the people getting scammed obviously don't get it. That's really the best hands-off solution that you can do.

[Drummer]

That may be a decent idea.

[Kronis]

I think the best solution is to stick a thread telling people how to prevent being scammed. I know it seems silly but the people getting scammed obviously don't get it. That's really the best hands-off solution that you can do.

I think that's a good idea.

[boosting350z]

i think a section should be made, but dont put personal info. jsut the online name of the scammer. any personal info posted by anyone gets a ban. the pigs cant press charges from an internet name, they need to have solid proof thats the person. and if the person came out and said his name anyways, it would never hold through in court, since its the internet... and u can easily argue it was some1 else not you. im pretty sure nothing would happen cop wise. and im also pretty sure cops have better things to investigate than a litle steroid transaction going bad, that they read on the internet.

[rob66679]

i think a section should be made, but dont put personal info. jsut the online name of the scammer. any personal info posted by anyone gets a ban. the pigs cant press charges from an internet name, they need to have solid proof thats the person. and if the person came out and said his name anyways, it would never hold through in court, since its the internet... and u can easily argue it was some1 else not you. im pretty sure nothing would happen cop wise. and im also pretty sure cops have better things to investigate than a litle steroid transaction going bad, that they read on the internet.

A lot of that depends on if LE wants to make a nice telegenic bust prior to the olympics. They milked the hell out of the illusion case, and ORD went down around the net, and boards in particular. Mr. Harper likes to look tough on crime, and he would love to portray Canada as steroid free.

As soon as you name a scammer, or accuse one, the reps will become involved. Then the flaming will start. Go look at the underground section at BOS, it goes nowhere good.

I like that we can talk about specific brands, cycles, even things like LE. This is the best board going. But naming scammers is going down a bad road.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

in my humble noob opinion.

[CBB loves Japan]

some people lose big money to scamming for legal things lik protein and computer parts from well known members. Imagine you just lost 60K to a friend you'd kno, .wn for years probably wouldn't taste very good

[Kronis]

some people lose big money to scamming for legal things like protein and computer parts from well known members. Imagine you just lost 60K to a friend you'd known for years probably wouldn't taste very good

Number six: that god damn credit, dead it
You think a crackhead payin you back, shit forget it - Notorious B.I.G.

Seriously, never front anybody anything, ever. There's absolutely no reason for it. People that need fronts and credit are typically always in debt to somebody.

[BDH]

I think the simple reporting of the alleged scammer to Admin/Mods is enough... people that have been around long enough are aware of things and those in question can be dealt with appropriately... no need to get people in trouble in other aspects... that only brings us all grief...

[BAM]

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[punkrock]

I think a section with to warn against getting scammed as well as another with known scammer email addresses or and websites would also prevent others from getting scammed and to help put scammers out of business. The only thing is, there has to be confirmation or two or more incidents. Just my opinion.

[monkey]

This is not a source site and we shoul keep it that way. We can turn it whatever way we want but in the en, a lot of the openly discussed things are illegal and can be proscecuted. I don't think that we should indirectly admit and of that stuff by starting to warn people from being scammed while pursuing and illegal act.
Any such site, sticky note etc would sorta admit that this site knowingly tolerates those acts versus simply being an information and discussion forum.

Substance overr form... If we have board rule that say, no source fishing/ posting I would then think that we probably should not contradict this by warning people about being scammed if they do get contacted about this.

ANyways, just my opinion


At last... well I don't understand the big deal. If I decide to engage in an illegal act and purchase stuff from the black market, well I then should be aware that I am partially dealing with crooks ( the scammers) and that there are risks involved in it. BUYER BEWARE.
Its like me going to a crack dealer or a whore and getting ripped off...everybody would agree that it was my risk and my fault since I engaged in it..

THis is a great board.. lets make sure it stays around :)

[pseclint]

I think the simple reporting of the alleged scammer to Admin/Mods is enough... people that have been around long enough are aware of things and those in question can be dealt with appropriately... no need to get people in trouble in other aspects... that only brings us all grief...

bingo!

[canadianmuscle0803]

Number six: that god damn credit, dead it
You think a crackhead payin you back, shit forget it - Notorious B.I.G.

Seriously, never front anybody anything, ever. There's absolutely no reason for it. People that need fronts and credit are typically always in debt to somebody.

I also used to have this mind set once upon a time until i got older and realized sometimes in this game you need to put aside some of the shady shit that happens and pull out the guns and trust someone, in the end i know sometimes it can bite you in the ass but if the one your trusting turns out to be solid then you have something magical.. just sayin.

[champcar99]

some people lose big money to scamming for legal things lik protein and computer parts from well known members. Imagine you just lost 60K to a friend you'd kno, .wn for years probably wouldn't taste very good

ouch that would hurt alot...

[canadianmuscle0803]

ouch that would hurt alot...

scammers like this deserve nothing but shit in their lives.. what goes around comes around, in the end the scammers WILL burn.

[L3]

I decide to engage in an illegal act and purchase stuff from the black market, well I then should be aware that I am partially dealing with crooks ( the scammers) and that there are risks involved in it.


caveat emptor

just because we kindly refer to them as "sources" for our own piece of mind, in the end they are still drug dealers. the onus falls on YOU to distinguish between the 'good' ones and the 'bad' ones.

[theboss]

scammers like this deserve nothing but shit in their lives.. what goes around comes around, in the end the scammers WILL burn.


karma :flagC

[tripleA]

something should be done. we cannot allow these douches to operate here.

[kyle]

Its the nature of the buisness that people are going to get scammed when dealing with these sort of things. I think most of the people getting scammed are newbies and have not been around long enough to know how everything works. If you are openly asking around for sources there is a very good chance your gonnna get scammed because.

1. You have money
2. You want to spend it
3. Theres gonna be someone who will take it

Its doesnt matter what you want to buy there is always going to be a line up of people ready to take your $$ weather your buying a TV a car or Roids and you will get ripped off and scammed if you don't use your head.

[gicantor]

:beer I agree. It's time to get rid of these douchbags.

something should be done. we cannot allow these douches to operate here.

[Mr Ontario]

I third that, if you happened to get scammed , said person will get banned etc. Never send more then your willing to lose :)


bingo!

[rob66679]

something should be done. we cannot allow these douches to operate here.

I didn't think anyone was allowed to operate here, scammer or not.

[Drummer]

I didn't think anyone was allowed to operate here, scammer or not.

^^^ yep

[MikeyFXD35]

No one is "operating" here, just offering fictional advice on purely hypothetical situations. Now if someone was to act upon this thinking it was true and loss money then the guilty party be kick off the board.

[rob66679]

No one is "operating" here, just offering fictional advice on purely hypothetical situations. Now if someone was to act upon this thinking it was true and loss money then the guilty party be kick off the board.

As soon as someone is accused of being a scammer, its no longer hypothetical. At that point its about an illegal transaction gone bad.
And since theres no one "operating" on this board anyway, how can a scammer be kicked off?
If you're gonna name scammers, might as well do source checks too.
Opening up a big ****ing can of worms with a scammer section.

[BritishColumbian]

As soon as someone is accused of being a scammer, its no longer hypothetical. At that point its about an illegal transaction gone bad.
And since theres no one "operating" on this board anyway, how can a scammer be kicked off?
If you're gonna name scammers, might as well do source checks too.
Opening up a big ****ing can of worms with a scammer section.

you dont need a scammer section to kick off a ****in scammer.

[shithead]

Anyone stupid enough to buy anything over the internet, not from a legit company deserves to lose their money. You ppl must be smarter!

[Mr Ontario]

Okay Jerk off...thanks for the tip :)


Anyone stupid enough to buy anything over the internet, not from a legit company deserves to lose their money. You ppl must be smarter!

[cdnsoldier]

No one is "operating" here, just offering fictional advice on purely hypothetical situations. Now if someone was to act upon this thinking it was true and loss money then the guilty party be kick off the board.



Do you really think LEO is that dumb? Come on man give them some credit.In fact you better give them a lot of credit. The last big shot who used to talk in "hypotheticals" is in jail right now (Gymace used to talk shit like that). He didn't go to a 'hypothetical" jail though. He went to a real one.

You start naming names then it's on. It's simple as that. It should be done via PM's and the mods should take care ofthe scammer ASAP. It doesn't need to be public. It can be done quietly.

[BAM]

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[Drummer]

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hey bam, why do you keep dotting out your responses?

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[kloan]

He's thinking........................

[Body By Balco]

You are going to be a busy muther ****er MP if you start mediating unlawful transactions, transactions that are not supposed to have anything to do with the board or occur on the any part of the board (aka via PM).

If you are going to kick the supposed scammer off for 'selling' on the board, then you have to kick the dipshit buyer off as well, for 'buying' on the board. There are two sides to every transaction and neither side is supposed to occur within the confines of the board. Don't cater to these cry baby suck ass wanna be's who are not man enough to suck up a financial loss for an illegal transaction. This will soon end many of your headaches. Seller goes and buyer goes...period.

All transactions must be kept off the board, therefore the board has zero responbility, regardless of where the parties met. You have no business policing private e-mail transactions.



B3

[kyle]

You are going to be a busy muther ****er MP if you start mediating unlawful transactions, transactions that are not supposed to have anything to do with the board or occur on the any part of the board (aka via PM).

If you are going to kick the supposed scammer off you 'selling' on the board, then you HAVE kick the dipshit buyer off as well for 'buying' on the board. There are TWO sides to every transaction and neither side is supposed to occur within the confines of the board. Don't cater to these cry baby suck ass wanna be's who are not man enough to suck up a financial loss for an illegal transaction. This will soon end many of you headaches. Seller goes and buyer goes...period.

All transactions must be kept off the board, therefore the board has zero responbility, regardless of where the parties met each other. You have no business policing private e-mail transactions.



B3

Great post. The best idea anyone has had so far. Nobody could poilce this type of thing without putting the board and themselves at risk. This is ment to be a place to share our experiances not for anything else.

[Tiamat]

You are going to be a busy muther ****er MP if you start mediating unlawful transactions, transactions that are not supposed to have anything to do with the board or occur on the any part of the board (aka via PM).

If you are going to kick the supposed scammer off for 'selling' on the board, then you have to kick the dipshit buyer off as well, for 'buying' on the board. There are two sides to every transaction and neither side is supposed to occur within the confines of the board. Don't cater to these cry baby suck ass wanna be's who are not man enough to suck up a financial loss for an illegal transaction. This will soon end many of your headaches. Seller goes and buyer goes...period.

All transactions must be kept off the board, therefore the board has zero responbility, regardless of where the parties met. You have no business policing private e-mail transactions.



B3

I agree with this too. Keep yourself and the board safe first. That is priority cause in turn, it keeps us all safe.

No one should be using this site to buy or sell anything illegal, thus you have no responsibility to mediate anything. This is by far one of the best forums I know of, I would really like to keep it that way.

[force]

unfortunately, scamming has always been a part of the game. I dont see any easy solution to this, hell if there was one someone would have come up with it long ago!

Ppl who are new to the online thing really need to listen to the advice of others on the boards, read the stickies etc about buying online.

No matter what we do, theres always going to be scammers out there.

F.

[Drummer]

You are going to be a busy muther ****er MP if you start mediating unlawful transactions, transactions that are not supposed to have anything to do with the board or occur on the any part of the board (aka via PM).

If you are going to kick the supposed scammer off for 'selling' on the board, then you have to kick the dipshit buyer off as well, for 'buying' on the board. There are two sides to every transaction and neither side is supposed to occur within the confines of the board. Don't cater to these cry baby suck ass wanna be's who are not man enough to suck up a financial loss for an illegal transaction. This will soon end many of your headaches. Seller goes and buyer goes...period.

All transactions must be kept off the board, therefore the board has zero responbility, regardless of where the parties met. You have no business policing private e-mail transactions.



B3

holy shit can i get an AMEN!!! this is surely a cut-the-shit post. I like it. +1 rep

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[Beachmuscle]

You are going to be a busy muther ****er MP if you start mediating unlawful transactions, transactions that are not supposed to have anything to do with the board or occur on the any part of the board (aka via PM).

If you are going to kick the supposed scammer off for 'selling' on the board, then you have to kick the dipshit buyer off as well, for 'buying' on the board. There are two sides to every transaction and neither side is supposed to occur within the confines of the board. Don't cater to these cry baby suck ass wanna be's who are not man enough to suck up a financial loss for an illegal transaction. This will soon end many of your headaches. Seller goes and buyer goes...period.

All transactions must be kept off the board, therefore the board has zero responbility, regardless of where the parties met. You have no business policing private e-mail transactions.



B3


Awesome post.

[BAM]

[this post was edited based on the fact that it was too Extreme for the eyes of mere mortals]

[Tiamat]

Probably taking it to email is the proper way to do this. Taking everything questionable off the board is probably in the best interest of all.

[kloan]

If someone gets scammed by someone here, pm me so I know about the piece of shite.

thx
who, the scammer or the one who got scammed?

[BAM]

lol

[grifter]

What about the person who is trying to make the purchase ask the seller for referals. Contact some of the referals for advice and make sure that the seller is gtg.

Whatever your buying, a used car, an older home or whatever...before you make the purchase you go through the effort and inspect the product. Take the car to your mechanic, touch base with someone who may have more knowledge than you do. If the credentials aren't there, no one knows the seller that should be a big sign to let it go.

Many of the members have been around the industry for awhile and have heard of almost all the brands out there. Do your research before you decide. You are potentially putting your life at risk. Make sure you know what's in the product.

[theboss]

What about the person who is trying to make the purchase ask the seller for referals. Contact some of the referals for advice and make sure that the seller is gtg.

i would be worried about peoples privacy if someone was asking for or giving referrals...

[nisser]

haha referrals oh how times have changed.

2-3 years ago YOU needed referrals to get on a list, not the source

[deleteduser0001]

i would be worried about peoples privacy if someone was asking for or giving referrals...

I am more worried about sending cash to someone who has no one who steps up for him and nothing more than an email from a secure account to verify how legit he is.

[HeavyD]

i am very surprised to see that the mods are letting us speak this openly on this.

scammers list very bad idea as openly says that something is going on. but even banning a so called scammer, could i just not say that i was scammed several times just to get a source gone and have more clients for myself.

i think all you can do is leave this as a closed source board, but its not even a source board.

if people want to try a product from someone then it should be done by email, this completely removes the board from anything negative.

yes scammers should be shot, but they have always been here and always will be.
im not saying that it should be ignored but if the mods have to get involved then do what they need to do, but not publicly.

[JoeDiggX]

It's all a catch 22 ... you need to try to make connections and in turn most newbs get scammed then learn from it and in time find some good reps and move on ... I think it's called earning paying your dues or something ... Sucks but that's they way it's been and the way it will continue to go ... Hell Triedia had a few solid guys turn scammer back in the day took me for A LOT ... I heard about it, it's happened to me and now I know how not to let it happen again ...

IMHO Only thing we can do is educate on what people shouldn't do and let everything else fall into place.

JDx

[gicantor]

BUMP for this thead. What is the progress of this? Has anyone thought of a solution yet and is anything in the works?

[Seth]

I personally like risk management. You break up your order into smaller parts. If the guy rips you off for a couple hundreds, so what? It's not like you list a grand

[cobra10142]

juz be str8 its easy to tell if they r cops im in the army for mp and i juice

[deleteduser0001]

juz be str8 its easy to tell if they r cops im in the army for mp and i juice

when did this board become msn chat?

full complete words help everyone.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

The solution, unfortunately, will be that all this stuff will have to be kept off CBB.

With the new law passing, times will be changing dramatically. I will make an annoucement soon as some people may not understand how serious it is.