Shocking Surprise...

[gustavo77]

So i started tren A two weeks ago (125mg prop/100mg of tren eod) and had been somewhat reluctant to check my blood pressure, cause of course if it is was high i gotta toss the Ace. Anyways went to the walk in clinic today cause i gotta a lingering cough and got my blood pressure taken while i was there. It was 118/78, low normal. I am thinking how is this possible, could the tren underdosed perhaps?? I took BD tren depot last march and was sweating my ass off every night, hardly any night sweats with this tren. When i take any more than 30mg of d-bol my blood pressure goes out of wack and 100mg of tren A eod did not elevate it at all?? I mean I am happy that it is that low/normal, it is just that it was a shocking surprise. Anyone have similar experience??

[shithead]

Whats diet, training and gains like? any other drugs?

[BloodRage]

does it FEEL like you are on tren?

[gustavo77]

Whats diet, training and gains like? any other drugs?

Diet is pretty good, getting better by the day...just getting used to eating again after being sick for a month. Training is intense and the intensity i have during my workouts is great. Gains, well no weight gains (i am cool with that), but I am starting to feel stronger, so it is doing it's job i suppose. The only drugs i am taking other than the tren are test prop (125mg eod), Aromasin (25mg eod) and Cabaser (0.5mg 2x per week).

[gustavo77]

some of the bp issues are from water retnetion. My bp is nice and low even on grams of test as im a cardio freak.

Ya i do not get very much water retention even on 1cc/ml of Omnadren eod...it is because i either run adex or Aromasin during my whole cycle. Never any libido problems, water retention or gyno.

[gustavo77]

does it FEEL like you are on tren?

Ya I suppose but this is only my second run of tren so I am still getting a feel for it. My first run as i said was BD tren depot and i was anxious from time to time and had the night sweats from hell. This time night sweats are mild to none-existent but the aggression is definitely noticeable. Strength is climbing, so ya i guess the tren is on...lol.

[gustavo77]

BP, is only a POSSIBLE side bro.. some dont' even get high bp.. some get threw roof.. but ya i wouldnt' count gear strenght on that man. As Japanes Musican said, some will be normal... he'll mine is little higher when on or off... Now colestral might be diffrent story

Your right, the gear is fine. It is just that you hear all the horror stories of tren and for some people that is the case i suppose, i just thought my BP would be up on tren cause it goes up on d-bol.

[St]

Ya i do not get very much water retention even on 1cc/ml of Omnadren eod...it is because i either run adex or Aromasin during my whole cycle. Never any libido problems, water retention or gyno.

You know what i friend at the guy was on A's and tnt-400,and was on Femara,and his BP was great,but as soon as he stopped it,the bp just went up like crazy,i think Aromasin is doing its job of keeping the water retention under control.

[R.F.S.]

Usually i get high bp at the start of a cycle but then my body for some reason seems to adjust itself back to normal.

[gustavo77]

You know what i friend at the guy was on A's and tnt-400,and was on Femara,and his BP was great,but as soon as he stopped it,the bp just went up like crazy,i think Aromasin is doing its job of keeping the water retention under control.

F**kin A bro. I am a firm believer in keeping estrogen under control. I know you sometimes hear people say that letro, or another A.I. killed their libido but it has the opposite effect on me.

During my first cycle (500mg of test E), after the initial libido boost the first few weeks, i started to have performance problems. I was even taken nolva and proviron at one point, it helped some but not entirely. During my second cycle it happened again. A good friend of mine and a kind of guru to me, told me that i should try an A.I. because excess estrogen significantly raises SHBG, basically killing free test and libido/performance. I also told him that i was on proviron and that this should not be happening because proviron lowers SHBG. He told me that proviron is not effective if estrogen levels are extremely high because of course proviron does not directly lower estrogen only competes with it at binding at the receptor. Proviron may be enough for some but ultimately it does not reduce estrogen.

In any case (kinda went off there...lol), during my second cycle i started taking arimidex and within 3-4 days there was a significant difference in libido and performance....if you don't believe me ask my girlfriend..haha. Bottom line: high test with normal/low-normal estrogen levels equals fantastic libido, great mood, nice lean gains and most importantly lower health risks.

[gustavo77]

i asked your gf, she said still kinda sucked bro??? ;)

Like i said in that other thread, you asked the wrong GF. You got to ask the current one, not the one from last week. She's been kicked to the curb, what do you think she is gonna say??

[faller]

F**kin A bro. I am a firm believer in keeping estrogen under control. I know you sometimes hear people say that letro, or another A.I. killed their libido but it has the opposite effect on me.

During my first cycle (500mg of test E), after the initial libido boost the first few weeks, i started to have performance problems. I was even taken nolva and proviron at one point, it helped some but not entirely. During my second cycle it happened again. A good friend of mine and a kind of guru to me, told me that i should try an A.I. because excess estrogen significantly raises SHBG, basically killing free test and libido/performance. I also told him that i was on proviron and that this should not be happening because proviron lowers SHBG. He told me that proviron is not effective if estrogen levels are extremely high because of course proviron does not directly lower estrogen only competes with it at binding at the receptor. Proviron may be enough for some but ultimately it does not reduce estrogen.

In any case (kinda went off there...lol), during my second cycle i started taking arimidex and within 3-4 days there was a significant difference in libido and performance....if you don't believe me ask my girlfriend..haha. Bottom line: high test with normal/low-normal estrogen levels equals fantastic libido, great mood, nice lean gains and most importantly lower health risks.


Damn, thanks gustova77... Very helpful info for me...

[Sniven]

Usually i get high bp at the start of a cycle but then my body for some reason seems to adjust itself back to normal.

Me too...up until week 4 or so my BP is pretty high and then it levels off...glad I'm not the only one:)

[gustavo77]

hehe, my bad. ;)

No worries bro, it is an easy mistake to make cause Lord knows i can;t keep track on all my GF either sometimes...lmao. J/K of course, if my finance read this she chop off my nuts..haha.

[St]

i asked your gf, she said still kinda sucked bro??? ;)

lol.