steroid free slin use

[waderow]

Is the desired effects from slin when not on AAS still evident?

[JonnyO]

Depends on body type.

[waderow]

Mesomorph
33yo
12% BF
230 pounds

on pct


wondering about slin use during pct....

[ironwill]

Depends on body type.
and diet etc....definitley can be used sucessfully for pct purposes if you are logical and know the best timing etc.....yes....
Im going to run gh and a tiny wee bit of slin for my whole pct.....
tiny as in 3-4 ius maybe 2 times per day, some days only once...

[Houstonbc]

im on pct and doing 5iu pwo with my gh

[baldsamson]

slin? pct? aas? pwo? please clarify. I only know natural so these abbreviations are just confusing. I can only assume gh=growth hormones:wtf

[waderow]

slin is insulin
pct is post cycle therapy
pwo is post work out
gh is growth hormone

I am going all natty for a few months and using only slin, GH, and pct drugs

[L3]

I am going all natty for a few months and using only slin, GH, and pct drugs

a little self contradictory...no? :p

[waderow]

lol
actually, I am natty right now I bet... If I got piss tested I think I would be good.

[Praetorian]

Is the desired effects from slin when not on AAS still evident?

Slin without GH or aas = FAT...not a good idea. Slin is only reqired if the body stops gaining from aas as well as GH...most guys have no need for slin.
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[waderow]

Slin without GH or aas = FAT...not a good idea. Slin is only reqired if the body stops gaining from aas as well as GH...most guys have no need for slin.
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I have never packed more muscle on before then when I began slin use while on AAS.
Have I reached my genetic potential while on AAS? No

Slin is an important part of thew equation.



But with out aas of gh you are saying it will only put on fat?

[baldsamson]

slin is insulin
pct is post cycle therapy
pwo is post work out
gh is growth hormone

I am going all natty for a few months and using only slin, GH, and pct drugs

thankyou very much, that clarifies alot for me.

[JonnyO]

But with out aas of gh you are saying it will only put on fat?

More chances of it. That synergy of slin and aas is what makes it powerful, take one out of the equation and its totally different.

[dremen]

I have never packed more muscle on before then when I began slin use while on AAS.
Have I reached my genetic potential while on AAS? No

Slin is an important part of thew equation.



But with out aas of gh you are saying it will only put on fat?


If you eat VERY clean you should be GTG with the slin use. Try it out and see how it goes man. It may work well for you and not others and vice versa.

You have to experiment to find out what works best for YOU.

[Praetorian]

Again...insulin is only necessary if you stopped gaining on aas and gh. As well if running gh for an extended time it can help if you are becoming insulin resistant. Slin during PCT is unnecessary...you arent building muscle during PCT you shoudl be giving your body a break as well. Intensity and volume of training should be lowered due to higher cortisol output. A small amount of gh and clenbuterol is a much better idea. Without aas or gh slin is a sure fire way to get fat.
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[tex]

i am wondering why this is in the natty section.......

[canadianmuscle0803]

Slin without GH or aas = FAT...not a good idea. Slin is only reqired if the body stops gaining from aas as well as GH...most guys have no need for slin.
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fully agree... great post once again P!!

[canadianmuscle0803]

Again...insulin is only necessary if you stopped gaining on aas and gh. As well if running gh for an extended time it can help if you are becoming insulin resistant. Slin during PCT is unnecessary...you arent building muscle during PCT you shoudl be giving your body a break as well. Intensity and volume of training should be lowered due to higher cortisol output. A small amount of gh and clenbuterol is a much better idea. Without aas or gh slin is a sure fire way to get fat.
P

once again.. a very smart and logical post..

[tiramisu]

Insulin is anabolic but it's not choosy. It helps push nutrients to fat and muscle cells alike. I'm pretty sure the focus on perfect nutrition somehow reducing the anabolism to fat is pretty much a myth. Insulin is going to shuttle glucose to the cells and you will pretty much get what you get.

So does it work? Certainly. Are you going to grow fat as well as muscle? Certainly.
I don't think this should really shock anyone as it's pretty difficult to add muscle without fat under most circumstances.

Ignoring the immediate hypoglycemic risks what I would like to know is what are the down sides of speeding up this process by consuming exogenous insulin in the medium to long term?

[pseclint]

Slin without GH or aas = FAT...not a good idea. Slin is only reqired if the body stops gaining from aas as well as GH...most guys have no need for slin.
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agreed, I think this is good advice considering the dangers involved in using slin....

[Ritch]

I can`t help but wonder how it would work if just taken pre workout. Apparantly it`s one hell of an ergogenic aid. And I take high amounts of carbs, during and after my training anyway`s. Wouldn`t I just be using those carbs in a more efficient way? So I`d be saying insuling workout days only, preworkout. Starting with 2 iu`s slowly going to up... Thoughts?

[tiramisu]

I can`t help but wonder how it would work if just taken pre workout. Apparantly it`s one hell of an ergogenic aid. And I take high amounts of carbs, during and after my training anyway`s. Wouldn`t I just be using those carbs in a more efficient way? So I`d be saying insuling workout days only, preworkout. Starting with 2 iu`s slowly going to up... Thoughts?


I think you are adding an uncontrolled variable (exercise) where it's going to be really easy to go hypo. and even if not bad enough to be directly dangerous, confused and lifting seems like a pretty good combination for injury.

[tex]

why not use glucophage/metformin?

[Praetorian]

I can`t help but wonder how it would work if just taken pre workout. Apparantly it`s one hell of an ergogenic aid. And I take high amounts of carbs, during and after my training anyway`s. Wouldn`t I just be using those carbs in a more efficient way? So I`d be saying insuling workout days only, preworkout. Starting with 2 iu`s slowly going to up... Thoughts?

Your body can only utilize so many carbs...ie energy required for your training...any more will be stored...ie triglycerides...fat! People tend to forget you are already producing insulin every time you eat.
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[Shane]

who is the girl in your avatar waderow