Adex or not?

[Skyblob]

Hey guys im about 2 weeks in my cycle:

100 test P EOD 1-8
90 Tren A EOD 1-8
HCG 500 UI EW 1-8

Ive been doing Adex 1mg EOD cause i have an existing gyno since my teenage years, puffy nipples and the gland is still underneath.. So just to prevent it to aggravate and also to prevent bloat ( since its summer i want 0 water or fat from estrogen ) ... I followed Gustavo's advice to use it 1mg EOD but i started too see strength decreasing and i had hard time to gain muscle and I became sick... so i stopped taking Adex and now i just gained 5 pounds ( must be because of carb load i did on weekend ... about 600g/day ) and also my strength is up, but im seeing bit more water on me and im less defined... also my nipples are starting to be more puffy ( maybe its just in my head ) .. but should i continue adex or not? or wait for more signs .. I only have capsules of 1mg so its hard to split the powder in half :S.... Also my skin is more oily and one button just popped ooo :P

[baza]

Wait for signs. Was gonna say 1mg EOD is a little high, but then just read it's capsules.
Note: dont' buy capsules next time lol

[Skyblob]

Wait for signs. Was gonna say 1mg EOD is a little high, but then just read it's capsules.
Note: dont' buy capsules next time lol

kinda hard lol cause the human grade adex is very expensive... so from ug labs its all caps

[nitrous]

Wait for signs. Was gonna say 1mg EOD is a little high, but then just read it's capsules.
Note: dont' buy capsules next time lol

whats wrong with capsules?

[nitrous]

also it is hard to cut them in half.. but you can do it.. it might not be a perfect 50/50 but with a 3 day half life i think it should be fine getting it close enough... i'd cut them in half and do them that way.. try 0.5mg EOD and see how that works..

problem is i think most of it ends up on one side due to the way capsules are capped but i could be wrong on that part..

[gustavo77]

Bro, that 5 pounds you gained is all water....plus now you have tons of excess estrogen in your body causing puffy nips, increasing SHBG and lowering free testosterone levels.

I said it before and i will say it again, you only need a very small amount of estrogen to produce IGF-1 in the body and 1mg of adex eod is not going to limit all estrogen in your body when you are taking as much testosterone as you are. Other than IGF-1 production, estrogen is useless for building muscle. I do not understand why everyone thinks you need tons of estrogen to build muscle. If that was true woman would hold more mass then men no??

[Skyblob]

Nitrous : Yes all the powder is placed in one half of the capsule.. so to split it i have to split the powder it self... lol nah not for me !

Gus : Yeah ive gained water i noticed that.. but im just scared that 1 mg eod will inhibit my gains and ill gain like 0 muscle during this cycle, also estro is good for immune system no?

[trainharder]

Bro, that 5 pounds you gained is all water....plus now you have tons of excess estrogen in your body causing puffy nips, increasing SHBG and lowering free testosterone levels.

I said it before and i will say it again, you only need a very small amount of estrogen to produce IGF-1 in the body and 1mg of adex eod is not going to limit all estrogen in your body when you are taking as much testosterone as you are. Other than IGF-1 production, estrogen is useless for building muscle. I do not understand why everyone thinks you need tons of estrogen to build muscle. If that was true woman would hold more mass then men no??

Great info.

So do you recommend 1mg of adex as a general guideline? (For the average cycle consisting of 500mg/wk of testosterone, is 0.5mg eod sufficient?)

[gustavo77]

Nitrous : Yes all the powder is placed in one half of the capsule.. so to split it i have to split the powder it self... lol nah not for me !

Gus : Yeah ive gained water i noticed that.. but im just scared that 1 mg eod will inhibit my gains and ill gain like 0 muscle during this cycle, also estro is good for immune system no?

So you think because you limit some excess estrogen, you will not gain any muscle on cycle?? That's ridiculous bro, sorry but it is.

1mg of adex per day will suppress 80% of natural estrogen production. You estrogen levels on cycle are far more than normal...now you are only taking 1mg of adex eod...so you are suppressing mabe 40% of your very elevated estrogen levels....you still have more than enough estrogen to take care of immunity and igf-1 production.

Listen bro, these people that think using an AI on cycle will decrease gains have no idea what they are talking about. Proper AI use on cycle will not only keep estrogen down and sides at bay but IMO will increase gains by lowering SHBG and increasing free test...free test is where it is at, that's the hormone that makes you grow...

[natenator]

Nitrous : Yes all the powder is placed in one half of the capsule.. so to split it i have to split the powder it self... lol nah not for me !

Gus : Yeah ive gained water i noticed that.. but im just scared that 1 mg eod will inhibit my gains and ill gain like 0 muscle during this cycle, also estro is good for immune system no?
eat more than if you are worried about gains lol

[gustavo77]

Great info.

So do you recommend 1mg of adex as a general guideline? (For the average cycle consisting of 500mg/wk of testosterone, is 0.5mg eod sufficient?)

If one is very sensitive to estrogen, which generally means they produce more naturally, then yes, 1mg eod is a good starting point. Some may even need 1mg ed but that all depends on the individual. If one can get away with 0.5mg eod though, with no sides and libido/performance intact, then by all means stick with that dose.

[Skyblob]

Alright Gustavo youve convinced me :P Thanks bro i beleive in what you say! Good advice and thank you for your help ! and thanks to everyone else also... Lol nate if i eat to much , it will transform in fat :S ... Even excess of proteins. Im keeping myself to 300g prots 150-200g carbs and 50-80g fat ( on training days ) ... on rest days i do 300g prots 50-80g carbs and 50-80g fat.

[natenator]

Alright Gustavo youve convinced me :P Thanks bro i beleive in what you say! Good advice and thank you for your help ! and thanks to everyone else also... Lol nate if i eat to much , it will transform in fat :S ... Even excess of proteins. Im keeping myself to 300g prots 150-200g carbs and 50-80g fat ( on training days ) ... on rest days i do 300g prots 50-80g carbs and 50-80g fat.
even on the high side of your carbs and fats that a tad over 2700 calories.

Dunno but doesn't seem like growing calories to me but I guess everyone is different.

[baza]

also it is hard to cut them in half.. but you can do it.. it might not be a perfect 50/50 but with a 3 day half life i think it should be fine getting it close enough... i'd cut them in half and do them that way.. try 0.5mg EOD and see how that works..

problem is i think most of it ends up on one side due to the way capsules are capped but i could be wrong on that part..

capsule and tablet are two different things.

[nitrous]

ya i was gonna say i take in way more carbs and fat and i'm only trying to do a lean bulk..

a buddy of mine told me that if you are doing like a gram of test a week 1mg adex EOD.. so if half that (500mg of test a week) then 0.5mg adec EOD.. if double then double the adex... you could always use that as a rough guideline..

Skyblob you are using like 665mg a week so going by that guideline .5mg adex is even on the low side.. not to mention the extra test produced since you are on HCG... so in the end 1mg EOD doesnt sound like it is out of question.... i say give it a try for a bit and see how YOU deal with it.. but give it a fair chance

[nitrous]

capsule and tablet are two different things.

really i thought they were the same? :lick

jokin.. but seriously so what if it is capsules or tablets.. they both carry the same thing that will end up in you..

[Skyblob]

Yeah i just popped my adex, will pop another one in 2 days, but howmuch time it takes for it to have full effect?
Nate , im 18% bf, i have a metabolism if i eat too much i will get fat and if i eat ok i can get very ripped. But im guessing in adding more prots and lowering carbs to 100 and upping prots to 350.. will see

[baza]

really i thought they were the same? :lick

jokin.. but seriously so what if it is capsules or tablets.. they both carry the same thing that will end up in you..

I dunno, I wouldn't really feel like emptying the powder and trying to eyeball half. Guess it wouldn't be a big deal though.

[Skyblob]

well its just taking out the powder... splitting it, then putting the half of the powder back in the capsule, it gets odd lol so nah. :P will do 1mg eod

[Ritch]

well its just taking out the powder... splitting it, then putting the half of the powder back in the capsule, it gets odd lol so nah. :P will do 1mg eod

I`ve got some 5* arimidex and those caps are so small I don`t see how you could do that. Was going to do what you`re saying at first, but it would take some steady hands to do pull it off. I`m guessing an electronic scale and some lab type spoons will be needed.

[nitrous]

I`ve got some 5* arimidex and those caps are so small I don`t see how you could do that. Was going to do what you`re saying at first, but it would take some steady hands to do pull it off. I`m guessing an electronic scale and some lab type spoons will be needed.

i've done it with their pills.. not their adex but other stuff and i just guessed it lol

have some adex and i might throw in some with the cycle i'm on if i feel like it..

[Skyblob]

I`ve got some 5* arimidex and those caps are so small I don`t see how you could do that. Was going to do what you`re saying at first, but it would take some steady hands to do pull it off. I`m guessing an electronic scale and some lab type spoons will be needed.

Lol... get out the cash then :P