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wmk
10-06-2009, 12:33 AM
Whom not to marry.

Be Selfish Now
It's amazing how many people think that a guy looking for a good woman should do what's "fair" or what's socially responsible. **** that. It's each guy's responsibility to find a woman that's the best possible choice for HIM. Who will make HIM happy. This one time, when he's choosing his future wife, he needs to focus exclusively on his own needs and making sure they are satisfied.

Trust us, nobody else in the world, least of all your wife, is worrying about your needs or wants. So you should worry about your own.

And this is the last chance you'll get. Once you're actually married, you'll find that everything about marriage, legal, financial, and emotional, will be about HER and the kids. Your needs will be dead last, or even more likely, not even recognized. You will be just a provider, a mechanic, or whatever type of worker bee the woman and children happen to require at the moment.

So, take this one chance, young man, to make sure that the woman you are looking for satisfies YOUR needs and wants.

So forget about what's politically correct or socially responsible. Be selfish. That's the best thing you can do for yourself, and for your future wife.


Look for Wifely Qualities, Not Just Girlfriend Qualities. Women have been encouraged to chase relentlessly after personal fulfillment...being well-educated, physically fit, interesting, and financially secure. All these things are really great, and make for a wife who is nice to be around. BUT there are a whole other set of qualities that modern women have ignored...and even, avoided. These are the skills and habits that make them a good wife.
Of course, many people pooh-pooh this idea...many people think that marriage just "happens" when two people love each other. Au contrair. A happy marriage takes skill. There are a whole set of attitudes and habits that each partner needs to bring.

The "wifely" skills are those that the woman needs to have, or learn darned quick, if she's going to make you happy. In fact, the woman's "wifely" skills are probably the most important single factor in the success of the marriage. The woman, with her better emotional strength, and her vastly superior ability to track and manage the health of the relationship, is the key to long term success.

Of course, in the past 50 years, women have disavowed those wifely skills, as well as their natural responsibility for the relationship. No wonder that so many marriages are miserable, and the rate of divorce is sky-high!

So here's a practical tip for all you intrepid wife-hunters. Remember that the qualities that make a woman a good wife may be quite different from those that make her a good girlfriend. As the saying goes "American women are great for easy casual sex, but make terrible wives".

Don't assume that a woman, just because she's a hot girlfriend, will make a good wife for you. When you're really (really!) serious about finding a wife and mate, prove your seriousness by changing your aim. Look for a woman who may *not* make a great girlfriend, but *will* make a fantastic wife!


What are good wifey skills?
Cooking, cleaning, mothering, nurturing, wants kids, loves kids, loyal, trustworthy.
What is important is that the wife does not have a real negative attitude towards doing those things. Any trace of snobbery at doing traditional female tasks is a bad sign of a princess.

Marrige is a case where both partners need to give up something to get somthing different and greater in return. If anyone is selfish about the realtionship then it won't work.

And a marrige except for a few cases needs someone to be a provider, and someone to be a domestic.


No woman with strong feminist leanings will EVER be happy with the breakdown of tasks in the household. They will ALWAYS be preoccupied with fairness and feel they are being taken advantage of. They never realize that a marriage is letting your guard down and mutually trusting the other person!

Also, not with one who has a drunk daddy. Always check out the mom today to see your honey tomorrow. Is mom fat?

Never Marry a Woman Who has the Same Career Ambitions in a Similar Industry as You Do.
If you're not that agressive about your career, it's ok to marry a woman who is.

If you are agressive about your career, then it's not OK to marry a woman who is also agressive about her career...

unless it's a career in an industry that is very different from yours.

Basically, marriage doesn't work all that well when you have two driven, ambitious people. Clashing egos for 40 years...uh-uh. Ain't gonna work.


I would rephrase "success in career" as just some sort of success in an organization, with the definition of success left broad. so as opposed to just being a party girl who's irresponsible and can't hold a job for more than six months (and usually just sees work as a means to party), you'd want a chick who has managed to be successful in a job or as a volunteer in an organization or as an artist or whatever. Just SOMETHING that requires some level of fiscal responsibility, organizational skills, professional interpersonal skills along with taking the "good and the bad" for some higher goal. Not someone who walks away as soon as some level of disomfort approaches, or is afrait to persue ANY goal.

Never marry a woman whose father took off or was abusive to her mother UNLESS she got the right lesson from it ... the right lesson being that responsible men are to be adored and valued and their eccentricities and (mild, occasional) irresponsibilities tolerated. You need to have clear evidence that she took the right lesson -- if not, you're going to have a nightmare marriage dominated by her suspicion, paranoia, and total inability to please.

Never marry a woman who, while you are dating, is even SLIGHTLY open to other men's flirtation, who even occasionally tells you she's going out clubbing with the girls, who has any significant relationship with an ex (unless you know the ex, are included whenever your girl sees the ex socially, and can personally validate that it is purely "just friends" and trust that with your gut.) Marriagable women are totally loyal and have NO interest whatsoever in any other man or any interest whatsoever in having any other man pay them attention.

Never marry a woman who complains about your appearance, or even cares to much about it, beyond a "you aren't going to go to my mother's house in that wrinkly shirt." Let's face it: you're going to working hard to support her and the kids, and if you pack on some lbs or go gray, you don't want to worry about her deciding that it merits her having an affair.

Never marry a woman who is sexually demanding in terms of your performance, who withholds sex on a regular basis on the grounds of headache or disinclination, or thinks she has a "right" to anything in particular sexually -- who, for example, will refuse you sex or make you keep doing things in bed on the grounds that you didn't get her off the last time. You are going to get older and fatter and her libido is going to go off a cliff as she gets older and has kids. If she is even slightly hard to deal with sexually now (in terms of giving it up, or in terms of demanding things from you now) she is going to be IMPOSSIBLE to deal with five years after marriage. You WILL have a marriage which is nearly sexless.

Never marry a woman who's habitually late. If she can't get there on time when she's single, she'll never be there on time to pick up your kids from daycare or baseball practice. It will never get better.
Can be generalized to "all bad habits will persist and worsen."


Here is one of the most important tips: ignore what women say, and watch what they do. Your post reminded me of a female co-worker of mine who used to say she'd never date anyone from work. I liked her, so I waited till I quit to ask her out...whereupon, of course, I discovered she'd been ****ing the guy in the cube next to her for months.

Anyone in therapy. She is getting 50 minutes a week of 'how to hate men' brainwashing. And it's expensive as **** and you'll be expected to pay for it.

Back to NoMarriage.com

wmk
10-06-2009, 12:34 AM
From:
http://www.nomarriage.com/notmarry.html

juggybuggy
10-06-2009, 01:15 AM
so basically, you should never get married.

good advice.

tiramisu
10-06-2009, 07:38 AM
My wife got only one against on this list.

Tiamat
10-06-2009, 07:56 AM
This level of thinking is actually good.

I don't see anything beneficial in marriage. A loving relationship has nothing to do with marriage. Marriage is all about the man giving up many of his rights and basically saying rape me in the ass with no lube if you ever want to divorce me.

No marriage for this cat.

tiramisu
10-06-2009, 10:18 AM
It is easier to enumerate the costs of marriage than the benefits.

That's because quality of life is hard to put a dollar figure on. Yes marriage has a cost and I personally think I'm getting more than I'm "paying" for by quite a lot.

I suppose it's not for everyone but I think that finding a wife is a generally healthier and happier way of aging than being a bachelor.

turboturist
10-06-2009, 10:58 AM
My wife got only one against on this list.

Same here.

Ritch
10-06-2009, 11:03 AM
Sure is alot to read...

manfreakca
10-06-2009, 11:33 AM
if u find a good wife marriage is a beautiful thang

Seth
10-06-2009, 12:06 PM
I know too many good men with very decent salaries living on the verge of poverty for ****ing with the wrong women

cdnsoldier
10-06-2009, 01:37 PM
Actually marriage these days is very trickey. If I had to do it all over again I would never married who I married. Not in a million years. Women are good at faking certain shit and hiding their dark side. Once you are married they know they are set because most men work hard ot make it work out.

My advice; Listen to your fathers and no one else. They usually have a good eye. If I listened to mine I would have never gotten married to who I did.

Does it mean don't get married? Hell no. For every bad marriage there is a good one. Just be very selective and use your head and heart combined not one or the other,

keypak
10-06-2009, 04:35 PM
I know too many good men with very decent salaries living on the verge of poverty for ****ing with the wrong women

very, very true!!!
I think you should pay special attention to how a woman treats people she doesn't like. (ex's and so on) That could easily be you.

keypak
10-06-2009, 04:41 PM
Actually marriage these days is very trickey. If I had to do it all over again I would never married who I married. Not in a million years. Women are good at faking certain shit and hiding their dark side. Once you are married they know they are set because most men work hard ot make it work out.

My advice; Listen to your fathers and no one else. They usually have a good eye. If I listened to mine I would have never gotten married to who I did.

Does it mean don't get married? Hell no. For every bad marriage there is a good one. Just be very selective and use your head and heart combined not one or the other,

Gotta get my buddy to read this thread.
He is military and while away his fiance was ****ing and moved in with another dude. Now he is back with the jobless spoonge!
His pops sniffed her out for the whore she is from the get go. But ...........doesn't listen. what can ya do???

BAM
10-06-2009, 04:49 PM
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Kronis
27-06-2009, 06:52 AM
I know too many good men with very decent salaries living on the verge of poverty for ****ing with the wrong women

I think you know my dad.

I'm never getting married, at least not to a North American.

manfreakca
27-06-2009, 10:43 AM
i am engaged to a woman and i read the part about flirtations!! other men hit on her,from time to time and she likes that men who are interested in her,i dont know if its a ego thing or not?? and she just smiles ad talks to them.I have told her before why cant u just be a bitch to these men when they hit on on u or are flirtaticous.She says thats not me im not a bitch im a nice person!!!Why cant woman who are in a relationship just be a bitch to other men when they want to talk to them??Just say sorry im in a relationship bug off??

RagingRandy
27-06-2009, 11:18 AM
^^^^ It is definitely an ego boost. Just think if hot chicks were trying to chat you up all the time. Turning them down would take a very strong character. The issue becomes if this is how she is now, if things got tough and she is not getting what she needs from you will she seek it elsewhere. Seems to me she would.

One of the things that always seems to drive some women I know crazy is that if they ever ask me to dance I tell them NO, as I reserve that privilege for my wife. Not that I am a great dancer but I think it shows commitment to her. If you do not create and reserve special things with the one you love then nothing will be special and all will be mundane. This goes far beyond sex.

My wife is my best friend, confidant, top adviser, motivator, helper, and lover. To give these over to a friend does not mean you made a great choice in friends but a poor choice in a mate. The society we live in undermines the marriage bond by telling us that we can not rely on any one person for all of these things. I think this has contributed to the breakdown in the importance of family and marriage.

turboturist
27-06-2009, 12:22 PM
^^^^ It is definitely an ego boost. Just think if hot chicks were trying to chat you up all the time. Turning them down would take a very strong character. The issue becomes if this is how she is now, if things got tough and she is not getting what she needs from you will she seek it elsewhere. Seems to me she would.

One of the things that always seems to drive some women I know crazy is that if they ever ask me to dance I tell them NO, as I reserve that privilege for my wife. Not that I am a great dancer but I think it shows commitment to her. If you do not create and reserve special things with the one you love then nothing will be special and all will be mundane. This goes far beyond sex.

My wife is my best friend, confidant, top adviser, motivator, helper, and lover. To give these over to a friend does not mean you made a great choice in friends but a poor choice in a mate. The society we live in undermines the marriage bond by telling us that we can not rely on any one person for all of these things. I think this has contributed to the breakdown in the importance of family and marriage.

Great post man

deleteduser0002
27-06-2009, 12:58 PM
^^^^ It is definitely an ego boost. Just think if hot chicks were trying to chat you up all the time. Turning them down would take a very strong character. The issue becomes if this is how she is now, if things got tough and she is not getting what she needs from you will she seek it elsewhere. Seems to me she would.

One of the things that always seems to drive some women I know crazy is that if they ever ask me to dance I tell them NO, as I reserve that privilege for my wife. Not that I am a great dancer but I think it shows commitment to her. If you do not create and reserve special things with the one you love then nothing will be special and all will be mundane. This goes far beyond sex.

My wife is my best friend, confidant, top adviser, motivator, helper, and lover. To give these over to a friend does not mean you made a great choice in friends but a poor choice in a mate. The society we live in undermines the marriage bond by telling us that we can not rely on any one person for all of these things. I think this has contributed to the breakdown in the importance of family and marriage.


Very good post! Green for you sir!

GYMBRAT
27-06-2009, 01:13 PM
I know too many good men with very decent salaries living on the verge of poverty for ****ing with the wrong women

AfackenMEN!!!

lunkhead
27-06-2009, 07:20 PM
I never read a more true piece on marriage than that one. The concept of a equal relationship is just silly. Even identical twins are not equal in any quality and in many ways they have asymmetric features to their relationships i.e. one is slightly dominant. The reality is give and take, then not worrying about it too much.

I never thought I would get married. "What's in it for me?" comes to mind. I had an established career, lots of money, women calling me up for booty call out of the blue and most things a single guy would want or have. Then I met my current wife and within 2-3 weeks I knew that nothing would ever be the same again, lol.

When you stop thinking that way-- about yourself first, that is- after meeting someone (assuming you've grown up a bit and know your ass from your elbow, of course), you've met the "one". The wife's best interest trumps your own and you like it that way. Hopefully, she reciprocates; however, I've seen very happy relationships where it's pretty one-sided. Like many of life's great experiences, you can't understand it fully until you're there.

My advice to the single guys here is to wait until that happens. Accept that it may never happen, although it usually does, for some reason. Don't EVER get married because you think you should or other people tell you that you should. You do it because there isn't a question in your mind. Why the hell would you do it otherwise? It's better to grow old with friends and family as a singleton than in a loveless marriage.

Rant over, lol

turboturist
27-06-2009, 09:28 PM
I never read a more true piece on marriage than that one. The concept of a equal relationship is just silly. Even identical twins are not equal in any quality and in many ways they have asymmetric features to their relationships i.e. one is slightly dominant. The reality is give and take, then not worrying about it too much.

I never thought I would get married. "What's in it for me?" comes to mind. I had an established career, lots of money, women calling me up for booty call out of the blue and most things a single guy would want or have. Then I met my current wife and within 2-3 weeks I knew that nothing would ever be the same again, lol.

When you stop thinking that way-- about yourself first, that is- after meeting someone (assuming you've grown up a bit and know your ass from your elbow, of course), you've met the "one". The wife's best interest trumps your own and you like it that way. Hopefully, she reciprocates; however, I've seen very happy relationships where it's pretty one-sided. Like many of life's great experiences, you can't understand it fully until you're there.

My advice to the single guys here is to wait until that happens. Accept that it may never happen, although it usually does, for some reason. Don't EVER get married because you think you should or other people tell you that you should. You do it because there isn't a question in your mind. Why the hell would you do it otherwise? It's better to grow old with friends and family as a singleton than in a loveless marriage.

Rant over, lol

Compromise without regret.

Body By Balco
27-06-2009, 10:13 PM
I never read a more true piece on marriage than that one. The concept of a equal relationship is just silly. Even identical twins are not equal in any quality and in many ways they have asymmetric features to their relationships i.e. one is slightly dominant. The reality is give and take, then not worrying about it too much.

I never thought I would get married. "What's in it for me?" comes to mind. I had an established career, lots of money, women calling me up for booty call out of the blue and most things a single guy would want or have. Then I met my current wife and within 2-3 weeks I knew that nothing would ever be the same again, lol.

When you stop thinking that way-- about yourself first, that is- after meeting someone (assuming you've grown up a bit and know your ass from your elbow, of course), you've met the "one". The wife's best interest trumps your own and you like it that way. Hopefully, she reciprocates; however, I've seen very happy relationships where it's pretty one-sided. Like many of life's great experiences, you can't understand it fully until you're there.

My advice to the single guys here is to wait until that happens. Accept that it may never happen, although it usually does, for some reason. Don't EVER get married because you think you should or other people tell you that you should. You do it because there isn't a question in your mind. Why the hell would you do it otherwise? It's better to grow old with friends and family as a singleton than in a loveless marriage.

Rant over, lol



And for the rest of us it is TRULY most cost effective to hire professionals;

-maid for the cleaning
-escorts for the sex
-therapist for the wise counsel


If men broke down their marriage on a cost per orgasm basis they would shit their pants. I realise that marriage is far more than that, but just sit down and do the math one day. When you start getting over $1K per orgasm, and it happens OH so easily in longer relationships, perhaps even $3K, well.....




B3

MMASTAR
27-06-2009, 11:34 PM
my ex failed misserably....boo for me... read this 4 years to late..

wmk
28-06-2009, 01:58 PM
^^^^ It is definitely an ego boost. Just think if hot chicks were trying to chat you up all the time. Turning them down would take a very strong character. The issue becomes if this is how she is now, if things got tough and she is not getting what she needs from you will she seek it elsewhere. Seems to me she would.

One of the things that always seems to drive some women I know crazy is that if they ever ask me to dance I tell them NO, as I reserve that privilege for my wife. Not that I am a great dancer but I think it shows commitment to her. If you do not create and reserve special things with the one you love then nothing will be special and all will be mundane. This goes far beyond sex.

My wife is my best friend, confidant, top adviser, motivator, helper, and lover. To give these over to a friend does not mean you made a great choice in friends but a poor choice in a mate. The society we live in undermines the marriage bond by telling us that we can not rely on any one person for all of these things. I think this has contributed to the breakdown in the importance of family and marriage.

Sounds like you have an amazing wife!

RagingRandy
28-06-2009, 04:37 PM
^^^^ Yep. I got it right the second time around. We have been together for over 3 years and have never had a fight. She is the greatest, bar none.

turboturist
28-06-2009, 04:39 PM
^^^^ Yep. I got it right the second time around. We have been together for over 3 years and have never had a fight. She is the greatest, bar none.

Never had a fight or any kind of augment or disagreement?? Sounds like your happy bro but that would make me a bit nervous.

RagingRandy
28-06-2009, 05:54 PM
^^^^We have had disagreements. But what it comes down to is that we both understand that when decisions need to be made someone has to have the final say. That person is me. She also understands that I have always and will always have her best interests at heart. It is not about subjecting her to my dominance as she would quickly see through that. Instead it is about showing leadership. As was stated before a 50\50 relationship is a fictitious state and can never be achieved.

I find that a lot of times decisions that are made are not about being right or wrong but preferences. I can't tell you how many fights my ex tried to start over things like where we would eat, what day do we go grocery shopping, or what shirt I was wearing.

One question I always ask feminists is "Do you want a man you can walk all over or do you want a man who is strong?" Inevitably they will say they want a strong man. I then ask them "Why then do you continually belittle and fight with your man?" This usually ends the conversation.

As a disclaimer for any ladies reading this I know some men can be very petty and self-centered. There are men that do not deserve the woman they have.

hommes
28-06-2009, 09:52 PM
very good read, long but good. one should pick the right companion