i am looking for a trainer for a diet plan..

[HeavyD]

just wondering how many of you have done this, and have been succesfull, if so please post, or PM me who you have used.

i am trying to be strict with my diet, but keep second guessing myself, as i know this is the area that is my limiting factor...its just hard to be dedicated to something when i know i dont know enough about it.

thankx again

[daande]

I am also looking for someone to work with to help me with my diet.

[Tiamat]

How would you classify someone that does this?

A personal trainer?
A dietitian?
A nutritionist?

[JonnyO]

Your best bet is to find someone who preps guys for contests and there are a few on here. Also be prepared to put out some money, and its money well spent. Some guys may do a monthly thing or a one time fee for your diet/supps/training plan. Depends on what your goals are. PM me if you need more info.

[Danger]

I would be wary of any dietitian or nutritionist unless they have a strong background in the fiteness industry, i've talked to a few thru friends and thay belive in the food pyramid and crap like that. I am not saying their arent exceptions but like Jonny said look for someone who works with bodybuilders so they actually understand your goals and the results you want.

[HeavyD]

yea that is what i want is a bodybuiler/trainer... simply due to the other dont understand what AAS and how your diet should change,,, i dont need to hear eat more tofu, and try to get some exercise...

[spankmonkey]

A word to the wise, stick within the sport for guidance and research, research, research. There are alot of people out there who are very comfortable taking your money and will put you on cookie cutter plans they have learned from other people. When a trainer tells you he/she is a National level competitor or has been an IFFB pro, this does NOT nessesaily qualify them to guide you.
That said there are a great number of resources here who can guide you in the right direction, just don't jump in without research. A good piece of advice I will share with you is when you ask for an explaination about why the trainer would have you do something and you get any resistance, RUN!
Good trainers can and will explain why they are using a specific strategy and it will stand up when you research it.

Good luck

[Timbo89]

I posted a meal plan and you can take a look at it if you want.

[HeavyD]

thankx all for the replies..... yes i do need to research, do you guys have any preference on where and what sites you guys are refering to, ones that have help you with your diets?

[natenator]

a meal plan isn't hard to come up with bud.

Start out with a base and then after 2 weeks add or subtract from it depending on what you are trying to achieve. If wanting to gain, start with a base and add calories as necessary to keep you growing at a small and steady pace. This isn't rocket science.

No need to over complicate it :)

[tex]

Praetorian does this....he has several different plans....a bulker, contest prep and general fitness type things.....he is very smart and methodical with these things and knows everything from training, diet and supplementation.....

[natenator]

Praetorian does this....he has several different plans....a bulker, contest prep and general fitness type things.....he is very smart and methodical with these things and knows everything from training, diet and supplementation.....
Agree and who I will be using for my upcoming prep!

[HeavyD]

a meal plan isn't hard to come up with bud.

Start out with a base and then after 2 weeks add or subtract from it depending on what you are trying to achieve. If wanting to gain, start with a base and add calories as necessary to keep you growing at a small and steady pace. This isn't rocket science.

No need to over complicate it :)

why would you use him when you just stated that this wasn't rocket science?

maybe i dont understand but one post you politly call me a retard, then next post you say you are going to do the same thing.

but im not looking for an arguement..... its just i moved to a small town and they dont have alot of foods talked about like sweet potatoes, so what other foods are good in place of certain things?

i am not confused on percentages of carbs,fats,protiens, but rather what are the best choices to make up those percentages.

[natenator]

why would you use him when you just stated that this wasn't rocket science?

maybe i dont understand but one post you politly call me a retard, then next post you say you are going to do the same thing.

but im not looking for an arguement..... its just i moved to a small town and they dont have alot of foods talked about like sweet potatoes, so what other foods are good in place of certain things?

i am not confused on percentages of carbs,fats,protiens, but rather what are the best choices to make up those percentages.
I know how to bulk and I know how to diet but when it comes to my contest prep I leave it in the hands of someone else so that I don't have to play the second guessing games that dieting for a show can do to you.

Huge difference between what I will require and what you are trying to accomplish. The day.

As I said it really isn't rocket science that you probably need to hire someone (at this stage) to handle putting a diet together for you BUT if you really want then def. recommend Praetorian, JonnyO, and Sean Summers.

Good luck

FYI: I don't slam people politely so If I was calling you a retard I would have clearly stated it.

[HeavyD]

hey no probs nate, just a long day

[force]

Like nate said....dieting for a contest can be tricky...in particular the last week or so. Dieting to get lean is pretty simple, my avi pic is from only 5 weeks on a keto diet (which is a VERY smple and easy diet to do) dropped over 20lbs in that time. If keto isnt your thing its a mostly a matter of carb intake and overall cals plus proper cardio...not much to it really.

F.

[baza]

Where do you live?

[tiramisu]

I'm going to ramble a bit because I'm going through the same thought process....

I had a great year this year. Put on around 30 pounds of muscle, am 20 pounds heavier than I was same time last year and 5-6% lower in bodyfat.

That said I'm pretty sure a real trainer and a better meal plan would be a better investment than GH over the next 12 months and a heck of a lot cheaper.

I don't know Praetorian but I have appreciated every post of his that I have read.

I'm not sure that there is anything wrong with a cookie cutter diet / training plan as a starting point. The trick is picking the right one and then tailoring it to the trainee. I had tremendous success w/ the starting strength program last year BUT I'm pretty darn sure I won't have the same success with it this year as my strength levels have hit "advanced novice level" and I have no solid plan for getting to intermediate.

I personally have similar challenges with my diet. I had great success getting to ~13% but truthfully have no real plan for getting to 8%.

If you can find someone who has the skills and is willing to take an interest I'm pretty sure that you could save a couple of years. I've been shopping about for a trainer myself in september but haven't made a solid decision yet.

I've got a whole bunch of what are probably incorrect beliefs about training and if I'm going to work with a trainer I need to trust that he/she knows better than me and listen to them for a year. Truthfully this the trust element is going to be the hardest part of retaining a trainer for me.

[force]

I'm going to ramble a bit because I'm going through the same thought process....

I had a great year this year. Put on around 30 pounds of muscle, am 20 pounds heavier than I was same time last year and 5-6% lower in bodyfat.

That said I'm pretty sure a real trainer and a better meal plan would be a better investment than GH over the next 12 months and a heck of a lot cheaper.

I don't know Praetorian but I have appreciated every post of his that I have read.

I'm not sure that there is anything wrong with a cookie cutter diet / training plan as a starting point. The trick is picking the right one and then tailoring it to the trainee. I had tremendous success w/ the starting strength program last year BUT I'm pretty darn sure I won't have the same success with it this year as my strength levels have hit "advanced novice level" and I have no solid plan for getting to intermediate.

I personally have similar challenges with my diet. I had great success getting to ~13% but truthfully have no real plan for getting to 8%.

If you can find someone who has the skills and is willing to take an interest I'm pretty sure that you could save a couple of years. I've been shopping about for a trainer myself in september but haven't made a solid decision yet.

I've got a whole bunch of what are probably incorrect beliefs about training and if I'm going to work with a trainer I need to trust that he/she knows better than me and listen to them for a year. Truthfully this the trust element is going to be the hardest part of retaining a trainer for me.

^Great post^

And Baza Im in ONT.

F.

[HeavyD]

thankx guys, its not that im seeing bad or no progress, but i feel like im fishing in the dark.

im up 20-25lbs with slightly higher bf, but i have done a cycle in the last year, and am currently on again. i know that it is not complicated, but like the post above says it could save me years..... now i am growing, but not to my max when my meal plan is this

eat as much as possible of chicken,eggs,tuna/salmon with 50gr protien every meal. im just sure i can make even better progress as for an example im eating KD right now, im sure there are better choiches for getting in those 1000 calories.

[gsxr750]

Palumbos bulker, I really enjoyed his keto and will be trying this when I bulk after summer:

MEAL 1:
6 whole eggs (buy the OMEGA-3 EGGS they sell in the supermarket) with 1 cup of Oatmeal (cooked)

MEAL 2: (pre-workout)
SHAKE: 55g Whey Protein** with 40g Waxy Maize*** (high molecular weight carbohydrate) with 1 tablespoon of Macadamia Nut Oil

GYM: WEIGHT TRAINING

MEAL 3: (post-workout)
SHAKE: 55g Whey Protein** with 50g Waxy Maize*** (high molecular weight carbohydrate).

MEAL 4:
LEAN PROTEIN MEAL 8oz (cooked) of chicken (or turkey or lean fish or shrimp)-- with 1/4 cup cashew nuts (or almonds or walnuts) with 1 cup (cooked) RICE (brown)

MEAL 5:
FATTY PROTEIN MEAL 8oz (cooked) of red meat (or salmon or swordfish) with a salad with 2 tablespoon of olive oil (or macadamia nut oil) and vinegar with 1 baked potato and/or yam

MEAL 6: Repeat One of Above

MEAL 7: 5 whole eggs

[tiramisu]

Palumbo's cookie cutter diet recommendation while obviously not the best are usually so much better than our normal shitty diets that most of us see excellent results.
The appeal of his approach is that it is damn simple and if followed religously produces results.

Sarcev on the other hand talks about baselining 2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight, starting with 2 grams of carbs per pound of bodyweight and playing with it till you find the right amount and eating 8 meals of chicken, beef, dairy, whey, turkey, fish per day with lots of greens, complex carbs in the morning and dextrose pwo.

Is Sarcev more right than palumbo? Probably but by how much? can you stick with the diet plan or will you fall off the cookie wagon 2 days after trying to cook all the food?
If you can stick with the more complex diet is the difference between the two worth the bother to you?

[Praetorian]

Palumbo's diet is only cookie cutter because you havent worked with him directly. He is not going to give away his knowledge and experience for free...thus you get a cookie cutter approach just like anyone else.
If you choose to work with Dave directly then he will modify things to suit the the clients needs etc.
P

[Rhinobolt10]

I'd personally recomend Shelby Starnes, from elitefts.com.

I've trained with a guy who worked with him first hand, his goal trying to be as muscular as possible in his weigt class... the results were shocking, and I was really impressed at how fast the results came, it seemed like one week he told me about it... the next week he was ripped, and by the end looked like a super hero.

What I really like about it is that you send in pics once a week, and then get a consultation over the phone directly with him, kind of goal setting and review... and someone to hold you accountable.

It'll run either $300 cdn or maybe $400 cdn, prices were american, for a 10 or 12 week plan. My friend says it's the best money he's ever spent.

I recently emailed him, and I'm planning to work with him fairly soon.

Just google his name, or google troponin nutrition.

[natenator]

Shelby is great no doubt. Out of the Justin Harris camp.

[ubcpower]

Shelby is great no doubt. Out of the Justin Harris camp.

agreed, the thing i like about justin harris' camp is that not only are these guys succesful national level bodybuilders who can bring some first hand real experience to the table but pretty much all of them come equipped with University Degrees and in many cases Masters degrees in Human Kinetics, Nutrition and Health......the combination is a recipe for success.

[natenator]

agreed, the thing i like about justin harris' camp is that not only are these guys succesful national level bodybuilders who can bring some first hand real experience to the table but pretty much all of them come equipped with University Degrees and in many cases Masters degrees in Human Kinetics, Nutrition and Health......the combination is a recipe for success.
I agree.

[baza]

Sarcev on the other hand talks about baselining 2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight, starting with 2 grams of carbs per pound of bodyweight and playing with it till you find the right amount and eating 8 meals of chicken, beef, dairy, whey, turkey, fish per day with lots of greens, complex carbs in the morning and dextrose pwo.

Sometimes I wish I was short, would make eating much easier lol.
I have no desire to eat 500g of protein a day.

[HeavyD]

hey gsx thankx for posting that sample diet, things like this is what im looking for.

and yea i will google him and and check in to the info.

[LonelyBedouin]

If you want a cookie cutter diet, try working with sciviation. They have a free consulting thing they do, they pretty much give you the diet and training routine and the rest is up to you to follow it. And I believe they're there for support and to answer any questions you have. Not as good as someone your going to pay (like Shelby Sterns) but it'll do to start off.

[ubcpower]

Palumbo's diet is only cookie cutter because you havent worked with him directly. He is not going to give away his knowledge and experience for free...thus you get a cookie cutter approach just like anyone else.
If you choose to work with Dave directly then he will modify things to suit the the clients needs etc.
P

I agree with P here. Although most of you think that Palumbo's diet is cookie cutter...his actual diets for his clients can be far different than his blueprint contest and offseason diets. I know my current lean bulk offseason diet is quite different than the one posted.