opinons please

[MMASTAR]

Do you thinks its safe to run Var at 40 mg ED for 10 weeks? I have heard not to run orals to long. I would be using proper liver support. (liv 52) And 3 weeks at 20 mg ED nolva for PCT? Any opinons would be welcome. Thanks guys.

[tex]

yes 40mg for 10 weeks should be fine and dont use liver support while on as it will decrease the effectiveness of the var and it wont make any difference anyways ( my lil bro's transplant doc told me this)......

[ee_geek]

I agree. Var is not hard on the liver like most other orals. They use it to treat people with liver damage, aids, severe burns ect.



yes 40mg for 10 weeks should be fine and dont use liver support while on as it will decrease the effectiveness of the var and it wont make any difference anyways ( my lil bro's transplant doc told me this)......

[Sean Summers]

Figure girls do this all the time. You should be ok.
SS

[rated_rko]

yeah should be fine running it

[MMASTAR]

really no liver support? i thought that was a must? what about my pct? nolva for 3 weeks at 20 mg ED sound good? should i take the liver support after the cycle?

[Benny62]

Var is safe at 16 weeks @ 40mg ED, most other orals (not Primobolan) are recomended 6-8 weeks. From my investigation primo is the only non liver toxic by design and Var is less toxic than the other 17 C's orals

[Blitz-Test]

yes 40mg for 10 weeks should be fine and dont use liver support while on as it will decrease the effectiveness of the var and it wont make any difference anyways ( my lil bro's transplant doc told me this)......

NAC and tons others have no effect of oral effectiveness

[BritishColumbian]

http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6048

[nitrous]

i ran var for 10 weeks at 40mg ED.. i really liked it.. felt great.. i took no liver supplements although next time i may throw in some liv52 around pct

[HeavyD]

yea if you are gonna run the liv 52, do it in pct. not during cycle.

[MMASTAR]

K maybe this will sound terribly stupid but.. when you take orals does it make a diffrence if you take them with or without food?

[tex]

NAC and tons others have no effect of oral effectiveness well then.....i'll go with the docs opinion that they are a big waste of cash :) he is doing my brothers liver transplant.......

[Dk]

K maybe this will sound terribly stupid but.. when you take orals does it make a diffrence if you take them with or without food?

nope dont think so.


also, why not add in like, 250mg of test a week at least

[MMASTAR]

I dont do well with needles, never have, and i dont want to gain weight.. i have to stay in my weight class, only have a few pounds to play with. Best way to run nolva for pct anyone? 20 mg ED for 3 weeks??

[Dk]

I dont do well with needles, never have, and i dont want to gain weight.. i have to stay in my weight class, only have a few pounds to play with. Best way to run nolva for pct anyone? 20 mg ED for 3 weeks??

Nothing better then going into a steroid cycle and not wanting to gain weight...

so what exactly are your goals? do var for 10 weeks and gain 3 pounds?

[MMASTAR]

i would like to cut my BF% down and replace the lost fat with muscle and gain strength. I do a lot of cardio and diet pretty strict so i dont think not gaining will be a problem, just looking to get a little more cut and add some strength.

[Dk]

i would like to cut my BF% down and replace the lost fat with muscle and gain strength. I do a lot of cardio and diet pretty strict so i dont think not gaining will be a problem, just looking to get a little more cut and add some strength.

this would work alot better with like 3-400mg of test.

if you have BF to lose, youll be able to bring the numbers then back down.

dont get the idea that if you take test your gonna uncontrollably gain 20lbs and not have any say in it.

if you keep your diet to a cutting diet, you arent gonna gain more then a few pounds if your losing fat to.

and have you ever tried giving yourself a needle? i used to hate them at doctors getting blood taken and all that, but Intra muscular is so much different and easier. Its all in your head, because there is no way in hell the actual pain from a 25 guage needle breaking your skin is what bothers you

but yah, whatever, var at 40 is fine.

[MMASTAR]

I know its in my head.. i did reshearch and thought var would be best for what i wanted.. but thats why im on here, to learn. Would nolva for 3 weeks at 20mg ED be a good PCT for a 10 week var cycle?

[BritishColumbian]

I dont do well with needles, never have, and i dont want to gain weight.. i have to stay in my weight class, only have a few pounds to play with. Best way to run nolva for pct anyone? 20 mg ED for 3 weeks??

Well... steroids are not for you. :puff

[MMASTAR]

i think lots of athletes use steroids to gain strength and plenty of people do for cutting dont they? Anyways, i dont want to come off as an ass because im new to this and know i dont know as much as id like to. Does my PCT sound suitable?

[Dk]

i think lots of athletes use steroids to gain strength and plenty of people do for cutting dont they? Anyways, i dont want to come off as an ass because im new to this and know i dont know as much as id like to. Does my PCT sound suitable?

do 4 weeks nolva 40/20/20/20