Not the best news.

[Ritch]

Well you know that delt shot I keep bitching about? I`m sure there`s an absess there. Feels like a sun burn and last night when I got home from work, just couldn`t take it anymore and stuck a 21 g in there and drew out some clear white liquid about 1/2 a cc worth. Stuck the pin in close to the first area and couldn`t draw anything out. Since I don`t know what I`m doing, I stopped there and figured I`d seek out advice on what to do. Does something like this require medical attention? or can I just stick a pin in the area and try to suck out some more puss. I think there is still some. Just hopping I don`t have to go to the hospital for this. Or maybe even time will make it better, but it`s been since last monday and the pain is constant and the redness has lowered down into my arm. Today it didn`t seem as bad in the arm area, maybe because of the puss that was removed? The redness is more on the top of the shoulder cap and am not sure I can stick a needle in there.

If I can do this by myself, just wanted to know if you stick the pin in all the way, stuff like that. I used a 1.5 inch and stuck it in all the way before drawing Before pinning a second time, I did clean the area very well and blood was really pouring out of there after the first draw. And out of the areas pinned clear white liquid kept wanting to come out, even on the second place I pinned where no puss came out. Help!

[BritishColumbian]

You might need medication like antibiotics or something, bro you should go to the doctor or a walk in clinic, just be honest with him. Dont end up regretting not going to the doc. It will only get worse, JMHO ~BC

[tiramisu]

What he said... Don't panic but don't wait. Go to the walk-in and get on antibiotics today.

[O-Train]

I'm no medical doctor but that definitely sounds like an infection. Not something you want to leave to chance. Health care is free, get it looked at.

[ironwill]

ok bro....you seriously need to check your gear......all that pain, now an abcess, thats crazy....id friggin quit if that stuff happened to me....Definitely something with your gear....unless you anal bleached yourself, then forgot to wash and used the same applicator to alcohol the area....its possible...:popc2:popc2

ok, its not funny...
but theres something wrong in dodge my man......

[ironwill]

and for gods sake....go see a doc and fix that shit...then get back at it...

[Ritch]

ok bro....you seriously need to check your gear......all that pain, now an abcess, thats crazy....id friggin quit if that stuff happened to me....Definitely something with your gear....unless you anal bleached yourself, then forgot to wash and used the same applicator to alcohol the area....its possible...:popc2:popc2

ok, its not funny...
but theres something wrong in dodge my man......

I did the last shot from that bottle thursday. Gotta say I`m really dissapointed. The shot was done in a sterile manner for sure, I wipe the spot on average 4 times before each shot and change the pin before pinning. Plus there were only 8 cc`s in that bottle. Not pleased right now with a big UG that gets props on this site right now.

[Benny62]

you need antibiotics ASAP

[Ritch]

and for gods sake....go see a doc and fix that shit...then get back at it...

Sucks to say but will have to wait until Monday, man I hope dosent`cause any major problems.

[nitrous]

hey Ritch.. if i was you i would do what they say and go to a walk in and just be like yeahhhh so i started some testosterone injections lol i am sure they have been told worse..


also could you let me know what kinda gear it was? if you dotn wanna say just send me a pm... not saying its the gear.. just curious thats all.

also 1.5" for delts? should switch that up for a 1"

[BDH]

Ok... here's the scoop from someone who has dealt with this MANY times...

I would simply keep draining it daily and let your body rid itself of the infection... however, depending on your immune system, you run the risk of it getting worse...

I dont think this is a serious infection, though... if you had redness running down your arm, there should be minimal infection inside the muscle belly...

When Ive gotten infections in my delts, I have been able to withdraw up to 10cc of pus and/or blood at one time, so the small amount you withdrew is minor...

If you do feel the need to see a doc and havent previously admitted to AAS use, simply tell him you did a shot of B12 and you think you might have made an error with your aseptic procedure... get him to prescribe some Keflex or even a Penicillin based Anitbiotic and it should take care of it...

As far as pin size goes, 1.5 in the delt is fine... trust me... its always better to go too deep that not deep enough...

[AlbertaBeef]

^^Word^^ but still a guy should always have some antibiotics on hand even if it's vet stuff for just such an occasion. A lot of the time it's not a matter of "if " but a matter of "when"

[BDH]

Very true...

[keypak]

Without seeing the site I would recommend seeing a MD.
I have seen alot of guys come through with the same problem. Most times we send them for a scan to see the extent of the infection (tracts pockets etc.) and depending we might give a local and cut down and drain it. After which it is packed and heals from the inside out.
Most guys use the B12 story and not many other questions are asked.
Like some have said .........this is a minor event in a day in a ER.
If you develop a fever or some such thing go straight to the ER.
But like I said ........ I'd have to see it.
Best of luck

[keypak]

also as mentioned ....... broad spectrum abx are needed if you wish to treat yourself

[smukker]

keypak are you a doc? that would be sweet if we had a doc on the boards for some professional advice.

[Ritch]

Ok... here's the scoop from someone who has dealt with this MANY times...

I would simply keep draining it daily and let your body rid itself of the infection... however, depending on your immune system, you run the risk of it getting worse...

I dont think this is a serious infection, though... if you had redness running down your arm, there should be minimal infection inside the muscle belly...

When Ive gotten infections in my delts, I have been able to withdraw up to 10cc of pus and/or blood at one time, so the small amount you withdrew is minor...

If you do feel the need to see a doc and havent previously admitted to AAS use, simply tell him you did a shot of B12 and you think you might have made an error with your aseptic procedure... get him to prescribe some Keflex or even a Penicillin based Anitbiotic and it should take care of it...

As far as pin size goes, 1.5 in the delt is fine... trust me... its always better to go too deep that not deep enough...

I really appreciate your advice here. But have a question concerning the drawing of blood/puss. Do you just stick the needle in your arm all the way as you normally would do a shot and draw? So doing this in various locations should get the infection and dirty blood out of the site?

[tiramisu]

Ok... here's the scoop from someone who has dealt with this MANY times...

I would simply keep draining it daily and let your body rid itself of the infection... however, depending on your immune system, you run the risk of it getting worse...

I dont think this is a serious infection, though... if you had redness running down your arm, there should be minimal infection inside the muscle belly...

When Ive gotten infections in my delts, I have been able to withdraw up to 10cc of pus and/or blood at one time, so the small amount you withdrew is minor...

If you do feel the need to see a doc and havent previously admitted to AAS use, simply tell him you did a shot of B12 and you think you might have made an error with your aseptic procedure... get him to prescribe some Keflex or even a Penicillin based Anitbiotic and it should take care of it...

As far as pin size goes, 1.5 in the delt is fine... trust me... its always better to go too deep that not deep enough...

While aspirating/draining may work it may also spread the infection in the tissue further. Once he is fully abscessed it might be the right thing to do but if he has caught it before it has abscessed he is better off getting an anitbiotic that covers a possible staph infection. If he had red lines running down his arm he would be admitted to the hospital as an inpatient. You don't want to ever wait till that point. He is also way better off treating this with antibiotics before it turns into a full blown abscess and it requires draining or excision.

DO NOT WAIT TWO MORE DAYS - that could be the difference between an antibiotic prescription and a doctor cutting muscle out of your shoulder to pack it with gauze.

[BDH]

While aspirating/draining may work it may also spread the infection in the tissue further. Once he is fully abscessed it might be the right thing to do but if he has caught it before it has abscessed he is better off getting an anitbiotic that covers a possible staph infection. If he had red lines running down his arm he would be admitted to the hospital as an inpatient. You don't want to ever wait till that point. He is also way better off treating this with antibiotics before it turns into a full blown abscess and it requires draining or excision.

DO NOT WAIT TWO MORE DAYS - that could be the difference between an antibiotic prescription and a doctor cutting muscle out of your shoulder to pack it with gauze.Ok, I dont know how much experience you have with AAS or infections, but the redness traveling down his arm isnt infection... its a reaction to the compound leaking into the subcutaneous tissue...

I have had many of these... I have also had my leg opened up, packed and drained and nearly amputated... I know the drill when it comes to this stuff...

Also, I did recommend ABs and also said that, depending on his immune system, draining it might make it worse...

Tira, what part of my post did you misread???

[Ritch]

Well I drew up about 1/2 cc of puss last night. Now I`m confused if I should try to get the rest out, or just leave it as is as you say I risk screwing things up worse. And since I don`t like sticking needles in me in the first place I think I`d rather not, unless you really tell me I should. Hammer, how long did it take for your delt to feel normal? I`ve had the same consistent pain since Tuesday. Like I said, mobility only gets a little better when I take tylenol.

[BDH]

Well I drew up about 1/2 cc of puss last night. Now I`m confused if I should try to get the rest out, or just leave it as is as you say I risk screwing things up worse. And since I don`t like sticking needles in me in the first place I think I`d rather not, unless you really tell me I should. Hammer, how long did it take for your delt to feel normal? I`ve had the same consistent pain since Tuesday. Like I said, mobility only gets a little better when I take tylenol.Before I answer, I want to tell you that I am in no way a medical professional nor should you follow my advice if you have any kind of doubt... first and foremost, your health is the primary concern...

Now, I am very prone to infection... even a bad shot gets shitty for me sometimes... I am well versed in aseptic technique, I just go screwy from time to time...

Ive had bad shots(which is what I believe happened to you) where something goes awry and the compound seeps subcutaneous and gives you grief for a few days... this causes localized swelling, pain and redness that usually drifts down the biceps until it subsides within a week...

If I were in your shoes, I would tough it out a couple of days... for infection to get to the point where it needs surgery, it usually takes a few weeks and if you cant withdraw much pus, I dont think its at that point yet...

If, by Monday, things havent calmed down a bit, hit a walk in clinic or your gp and see if they will toss you some broad spec ABs... they might want bloodwork done first, but if the doc is cool at all, you should be fine...

Until Monday, take some NSAIDs to minimize the swelling and pain... keep checking for fever, but that doesnt usually show up until later in the infection process...

Again, please dont take this as gospel...it is simply my opnion... keep us updated...

[Ritch]

Again thanks for your reply Hammer, it`s very appreciated. Will keep you guys posted.

[Mr Ontario]

I personally go see a doctor at this point just to be on the safe side and for a piece of mind.

[BDH]

I personally go see a doctor at this point just to be on the safe side and for a piece of mind.Go shine your stove... lol

[Mr Ontario]

It's buffed up enough like myself :)


Go shine your stove... lol

[Ritch]

^^^ LMAO!!!

[tiramisu]

With other people's unseen infections my only intelligent response is to get thy bum to urgent care asap and have it looked at by a doctor and treated with antibiotics immediately.

Yes I have cephalexin although I have recently discovered that this doesn't do anything for a staph infection and I should get some z-paks. From my reading, if an infection can be halted prior to it becoming an abscess then the risk of bad things happening are extremely lowered. Having an infection does not equal having an abscess. An abcess is your bodies way of fighting and localizing an infection.

Again if my reading is correct aspiration/draining of an abscess is often an appropriate step to relieve pressure but draining an infection may spread the infection further. Draining an abscess will NOT heal it. If the antibiotics are not applied quickly then it becomes necessary to cut open the abscess, irrigate it, pack it with gauze and let it heal from the inside out.

I'm concerned that having lots of experience with abscesses is not the same as having lots of experience NOT having abscesses.

I would be at urgent care drinking starbuck with a good book at this point so I can't imagine recommending to an unseen person that they wait a couple of days and see whether they go into toxic shock. (exageration). or abscess fully (distinct possibility). or the body might fight off the infection of it's own accord. It's not an experiement I would recommend for myself or others.

[BDH]

With other people's unseen infections my only intelligent response is to get thy bum to urgent care asap and have it looked at by a doctor and treated with antibiotics immediately.

Yes I have cephalexin although I have recently discovered that this doesn't do anything for a staph infection and I should get some z-paks. From my reading, if an infection can be halted prior to it becoming an abscess then the risk of bad things happening are extremely lowered. Having an infection does not equal having an abscess. An abcess is your bodies way of fighting and localizing an infection.

Again if my reading is correct aspiration/draining of an abscess is often an appropriate step to relieve pressure but draining an infection may spread the infection further. Draining an abscess will NOT heal it. If the antibiotics are not applied quickly then it becomes necessary to cut open the abscess, irrigate it, pack it with gauze and let it heal from the inside out.

I'm concerned that having lots of experience with abscesses is not the same as having lots of experience NOT having abscesses.

I would be at urgent care drinking starbuck with a good book at this point so I can't imagine recommending to an unseen person that they wait a couple of days and see whether they go into toxic shock. (exageration). or abscess fully (distinct possibility). or the body might fight off the infection of it's own accord. It's not an experiement I would recommend for myself or others.<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/dgEaiZ6og3o&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/dgEaiZ6og3o&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

[rob66679]

My 2 cents...
My mother is a nurse, and I can tell you this is nothing to mess around with. If you wait to seek medical help you are risking BIG problems.
Yeah going to the hospital is going to suck, and be embarassing. But not as bad as when your infection gets to the point they have to dig big chunks of your muscle out and then you'll have to explain why you didn't get to the hospital sooner. Theres always the possibility of something more serious developing too.
If you have red spreading down your arm, thats a sign of blood poisoning.
I hope everything works out for ya man.

[canadianmuscle0803]

what does you injection procedure look like.. take me through step by step..

also, do you use alcohol swabs or do you use your own cotton ball and own alcohol? i suggest to always use your own alcohol and swab, not the pre-made this.. there is hardly any alcohol on those..

[BDH]

If you have red spreading down your arm, thats a sign of blood poisoning..No... Its not... it CAN be a sign of serious problems... it can also be something very minor as I have explained 5 times already...

**** it... I give up...

The only one not arguing with me is the dude with the problem...

[rob66679]

I'm not trying to argue with anybody. But recomending that someone try to drain their own infection is dangerous at best.
The potential risk involved far outweighs any benifit. The only downside of going to a doctor is the embarrasment of trying to explain why you gave yourself a shot of b12. It's free, and its not like they are gonna call LE.
The risk of letting it go, or operating on yourself, could be the loss of your arm or worse. Trying to drain the infection yourself IS a good way to spread it, and something no healthcare professional would EVER recomend.
Why would someone NOT see a doctor?
This isn't a hangnail man, its an infection inside of your muscle.

[JonnyO]

I'd go into the emergency asap bro before it does become and abcess and you get a nice chunk of your delt removed. This isnt something your should sit around and wait for to hopefully get better on its own or by yourself.

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-glute-abscess.aspx

[tripleA]

it's better to be safe than sorry. i'd hate going to the doc for that too but it's your health on the line.

[tex]

blood poisoning will make the veins turn dark/bruise.....his is just irritated.....he'd know if he had blood poisoning.....

[8heyzeus4]

Whats the worst thing that can happen if you admit to a Dr that your using AAS? Im not trying to be funny, Im really asking. Has anyone admitted to a prick Dr they use aas and had something bad happen?

[Iwant2Grow]

Whats the worst thing that can happen if you admit to a Dr that your using AAS? Im not trying to be funny, Im really asking. Has anyone admitted to a prick Dr they use aas and had something bad happen?


If you admit to your doc he can recorded it and any treatment for it , in your records which is part of the medical information data base which other doctors, insurance company's and gov,can access this could be problematic for you .

i have worked for many insurance company's and ANY illegal drug use will lead to a voiding of insurance or ineligibility for it (i.e life insurance)

[8heyzeus4]

If you admit to your doc he can recorded it and any treatment for it , in your records which is part of the medical information data base which other doctors, insurance company's and gov,can access this could be problematic for you .

i have worked for many insurance company's and ANY illegal drug use will lead to a voiding of insurance or ineligibility for it (i.e life insurance)


Oh wow, Thanks for that heads up!

[Iwant2Grow]

no problem

[rob66679]

Has anybody read the link jonnyo put up....
Has anybody googled "blood poisoning" ?
Yeah, chances are it might go away. On the other hand it could cost him an arm.
Is it really worth taking that chance?

[Ritch]

What fears me the most obviously is loosing an arm. But I only think that would happen if my arm was way blown up and discolored big time. Well the swelling has gone down, and it`s much easier to move it in ways I couldn`t until today. I will get it checked tommorow.

[BAM]

pass the sal

[Ritch]

pass the sal

:laugh

[Big D]

sorry to hear that ritch,

I remember i used to get bad shots once in a while were my delt would swell up so much that I had no definition my arm would blend with my bicep and i would get redness on my bicep, so I would just heat the area often 10 minutes at a time and massage and take advil and in a few days it would go away. I guess I would just get lucky.


i'm using the same gear as you ritch and i'm having no probs with it. it must of just been a bad shot.

[BCprick]

was this the first shot from the vial, or did you do some with no problem,

[Ritch]

sorry to hear that ritch,

I remember i used to get bad shots once in a while were my delt would swell up so much that I had no definition my arm would blend with my bicep and i would get redness on my bicep, so I would just heat the area often 10 minutes at a time and massage and take advil and in a few days it would go away. I guess I would just get lucky.


i'm using the same gear as you ritch and i'm having no probs with it. it must of just been a bad shot.

I think you`re right. It was the 7th shot from that vial and the previous ones although caused stiffness in the glutes, did not cause anything near being abcess like. This is why yes I told people what lab I was using but said, I may have messed up doing the shot even though I followed proper injection procedures.

As of today my arm can be raised much to the side rather well. Do still feel an area that is just lumpy like there is fluid under the skin near where the shot was done. Makes me wonder if I need to go in and get it checked. Like I said before, if this was swelling up to crazy proportions, and getting discolored I`d be shitting myself and would have picked up some Keflex from somebody.

[BCprick]

I think you`re right. It was the 7th shot from that vial and the previous ones although caused stiffness in the glutes, did not cause anything near being abcess like. This is why yes I told people what lab I was using but said, I may have messed up doing the shot even though I followed proper injection procedures.

As of today my arm can be raised much to the side rather well. Do still feel an area that is just lumpy like there is fluid under the skin near where the shot was done. Makes me wonder if I need to go in and get it checked. Like I said before, if this was swelling up to crazy proportions, and getting discolored I`d be shitting myself and would have picked up some Keflex from somebody.

tbh its an infection, half a gram / cc is gonna hurt, BUT, you may have contaminated the vial, its not hard, by any means.
if it was the gear, your first shot would have done this to you , gear with this mg/ml will have a very low ba content, so any bacteria you added (albeit inadvertently)- could cause serious effects..

and by readind some of your old posts, you dont seem to have it down right

[Ritch]

tbh its an infection, half a gram / cc is gonna hurt, BUT, you may have contaminated the vial, its not hard, by any means.
if it was the gear, your first shot would have done this to you , gear with this mg/ml will have a very low ba content, so any bacteria you added (albeit inadvertently)- could cause serious effects..

and by readind some of your old posts, you dont seem to have it down right

If I contaminated the vial, how come the shot I did after using the same vial did not mess me up?

And you`re right, I`ve asked lot`s and lot`s of questions concerning, how to pin one self. Even how to get the freaken oil out of the vial. So I can understand how you say I don`t seem to have it down right...

[kloan]

I'm starting to think it was a bad shot. Perhaps some of the oil didn't get deep enough and caused the inflammation in and around the surrounding area.

My last shots from the bottle always hurt a little more (which would be 3 total).. perhaps there's a higher concentration of BA or somethin at the end? I had plenty of painful shots that would last for almost a week, not as severe as yours sounds like, but I only did glute shots. This was only 250mg/mL concentration.. some people are more sensitive I guess.

If it's not getting worse, then I'd say it was a bad shot. Especially since the fluid you withdrew was more liquidy than it was pussy... by now, if it was an infection, it'd be very swollen, extremely painful, bright red, hot to the touch, and you'd also most likely have a headache and/or fever.

I think you'll be fine, however a quick visit to a walk-in clinic can't hurt.. but if it's even better tomorrow, probably not necessary.

[BCprick]

If I contaminated the vial, how come the shot I did after using the same vial did not mess me up?

And you`re right, I`ve asked lot`s and lot`s of questions concerning, how to pin one self. Even how to get the freaken oil out of the vial. So I can understand how you say I don`t seem to have it down right...

good point, i cannot answer that , maybe it was sub q ? or that particualr needle you used hit the side of the vial or soemthing before going in, a few little things you might not have even noticed.

this does seem out of the ordinary though

[Ritch]

I'm starting to think it was a bad shot. Perhaps some of the oil didn't get deep enough and caused the inflammation in and around the surrounding area.

My last shots from the bottle always hurt a little more.. perhaps there's a higher concentration of BA or somethin at the end?

If it's not getting worse, then I'd say it was a bad shot. Especially since the fluid you withdrew was more liquidy than it was pussy... by now, if it was an infection, it'd be very swollen, extremely painful, bright red, hot to the touch, and you'd also most likely have a headache and/or fever.

I think you'll be fine, however a quick visit to a walk-in clinic can't hurt.. but if it's even better tomorrow, probably not necessary.

But that`s the thing, mobility is much better, almost feel like I can do a shoulder workout if I had to. Haven`t had one headache yet, but started taking tylenol on friday and saturday only twice during the day. Noticed it helped a little bit with the mobility issue. Took it mostly because I knew people would be tapping me on my shoulder at work when we shake hands (I work security)

[Ritch]

good point, i cannot answer that , maybe it was sub q ? or that particualr needle you used hit the side of the vial or soemthing before going in, a few little things you might not have even noticed.

this does seem out of the ordinary though

For sure, I did that shot in my bathroom, maybe it should be cleaned more often??? I`m willing to bet it was something I didn`t notice, because when I do my shots I wipe the vial at least twice, wash my hands a few times during the process and the area gets wiped a good 4 times... Who knows?

[kloan]

Really, you should be warming the oil, cleaning the bottle, poking/drawing, changing the tip, wiping the site (and letting it evaporate first), then injecting. If you do it like this, there's no reason to clean the area more than once.

Maybe the site wasn't fully healed from the last shot? That could also cause irritation and inflammation.

[shithead]

Stick to large muscle groups with high dose gear, and always less volume and more frequency to be safe. This also keeps blood levels more stable.

[BCprick]

For sure, I did that shot in my bathroom, maybe it should be cleaned more often??? I`m willing to bet it was something I didn`t notice, because when I do my shots I wipe the vial at least twice, wash my hands a few times during the process and the area gets wiped a good 4 times... Who knows?

i think you are overdoing it
you dont need to clean the area more than once (it actually doenst kill any bacteria anyways, just removes dirt,
wash your hands once before, maybe while you were washing your hands, the needle wasnt closed, or something,- could be many things like i said,
smart you went to the doc,

[Ritch]

Really, you should be warming the oil, cleaning the bottle, poking/drawing, changing the tip, wiping the site (and letting it evaporate first), then injecting. If you do it like this, there's no reason to clean the area more than once.

Maybe the site wasn't fully healed from the last shot? That could also cause irritation and inflammation.

It was the first time ever poking a delt with something other than winstrol and that was 6 years ago. The way and order you describe is pretty much how I do it.

[spankmonkey]

Just a question which may have been asked already, but how quickley do you inject? Do you let the muscle take it at its own rate or do you force it a bit?

[natenator]

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my god. I love you lol

[Ritch]

Just a question which may have been asked already, but how quickley do you inject? Do you let the muscle take it at its own rate or do you force it a bit?

Good question. Some shots I`ve had to really push hard on the plunger, those were the first ones lying on my side. The oil was warmed first in a bowl of hot water and kept warm in a magic bag until I was ready to pin. I must inject the full cc in about 45 seconds. I`ve read about taking longer like up to 2 minutes. Just something I don`t like about having that pin in me. I think that once I get it going in, I don`t want to stop because I may have to push again on the pluger really hard and I`m affraid I may slip up and that could be really painfull.

As you can see, I`m having trouble with this pinning issue. Like I said before, I may just get a friend to do it once a week, put my total weekly mg in one shot, divided in both glutes. Sure it`s not best, and on some weeks there may even be 10 days between shots if things don`t go as planned. I will do that for a while memorize where he pins me, t`il I`m ready to do it again myself. Although my last glute shot (the one after the bad one) caused me no pain whatsoever. Plus I had to go straight to work, where I stand the whole time. No massaging, no heat bag. But that shot I believe was done more in the proper spot.

[BDH]

I get the impression that youre overthinking it, bro... its an INTRA-MUSCULAR injection... as long as it gets into the muscle, youre fine...

I honestly think that the majority of problems are due to unsanitary gear and, like Shithead said, shooting too much too often in the same spot...

Have you ever been in hospital??? The nurses usually draw the solution, dont change pins, and sometimes arent overly sanitary... nothing ever happens... I know when I was in with kidney stones, I had to insist on them using proper aseptic technique and it pissed them off...

Getting back to Shitheads point... this is where I ran into problems... I cant do quad shots anymore... after my massive abscess in 94, I lost a lot of my right quad and cant do it there... honestly, Im spooked to do ANY quad shots, so I wrote them off ages ago... with both biceps being torn, I cant do those either...

My go-to places are glutes and delts... I am a big fan of Suspension, and shooting EOD with that, mixed in with whatever else I take, makes you run out of places fast... I had to resort to trap shots, which are surprisingly tolerable...

So, to sum up, try to find new places... if you have to, get someone to pin you in a different spot each time... if youre like I was when I was starting out, trying new locations yourself is more of a pain, as you usually end up sticking it back in your ass, rather than the new place... once youve gotten used to a couple of places and found the ones you can tolerate, give it a go with 1cc... keep the amount low and youll find they heal a lot quicker...

How you feeling tonight???

[Ritch]

Yes, I know I overthink this big time. Next shot which will be in my glute, I`m just going to go in the opposite direction in a straight line of my ass crack and shoot near the outter area where there`s a bump (glute muscle when flexing) and obviously not flex when pinning... That`s what I did last time and it went well.

Feeling good today, have already taken 3 kefers and it seems the swelling has already gone down. A decision I have to make today is, do I pin that same gear today? I have an unopen bottle still. Since no one else has reported anything like what happened to me, and the previous shots didn`t cause problems and the one after the infection either, I`d say it`s good to go.

When taking keflex, is it safe to combine clen with it? I`m also taking arimidex 1mg eod.

[spankmonkey]

I get the impression that youre overthinking it, bro... its an INTRA-MUSCULAR injection... as long as it gets into the muscle, youre fine...

I honestly think that the majority of problems are due to unsanitary gear and, like Shithead said, shooting too much too often in the same spot...

Have you ever been in hospital??? The nurses usually draw the solution, dont change pins, and sometimes arent overly sanitary... nothing ever happens... I know when I was in with kidney stones, I had to insist on them using proper aseptic technique and it pissed them off...

Getting back to Shitheads point... this is where I ran into problems... I cant do quad shots anymore... after my massive abscess in 94, I lost a lot of my right quad and cant do it there... honestly, Im spooked to do ANY quad shots, so I wrote them off ages ago... with both biceps being torn, I cant do those either...

My go-to places are glutes and delts... I am a big fan of Suspension, and shooting EOD with that, mixed in with whatever else I take, makes you run out of places fast... I had to resort to trap shots, which are surprisingly tolerable...

So, to sum up, try to find new places... if you have to, get someone to pin you in a different spot each time... if youre like I was when I was starting out, trying new locations yourself is more of a pain, as you usually end up sticking it back in your ass, rather than the new place... once youve gotten used to a couple of places and found the ones you can tolerate, give it a go with 1cc... keep the amount low and youll find they heal a lot quicker...


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I know if you push more than the muscle will take you can cause abscess and you may find it harder if you are shooting into scar tissue which can result in some serious after pain. Rotate, rotate and maintain a speed the muscle can take.

[BDH]

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