Bake your gear!

[JonnyO]

Ok please dont PM me or ask what lab I was using as there were a couple different ones. The ones that gave me issues were Prop and TNT, tren and masteron. Now these had never given me problems before what so ever. Pretty much painless and easy, great gear. I also had a case of cellulitis which Im just getting over after a week and a half. Now all of a sudden they are painful and leaving some nasty lumps at sites of injection accompanied by fevers and shit like that??? Not fun! I read a lot of guys complaining of pain, soreness, lumps, etc. This is no way to go through an entire cycle at all. What I did was took all of my gear, put in into the over at 375 and baked it for 60 minutes. Took them all out, put a needle into them all to release the pressure and they are good to go. This will guaranteed make painful gear pain free! It burns off some of the higher BA as well as kill off bacteria. The same gear that was hurting alot and I was in fear of my next injection is now pain free and now I'm loving it.

I dont want guys to have to endure painful shots, getting sick, abcesses, lumps, infections, etc. I used to do this years ago with IPs oils which if any of you had the honor of trying the stuff felt like you were shot with a 12 guage after each injection. Give this a try you will be very thankful you did. I havent had to do it again up until now, not sure why all of a sudden I have to when the same stuff was fine not too long ago.

[talon05]

good to know bro i have used sterile grapseed oil to ct down the gear...have also nuked it which worked good

[BAM]

I thought anything over 250 degrees destroys the hormone? Regardless, if you have to bake gear to use it, that sure says alot about it.

[talon05]

this is true depending on the hormone i have always baked mine between 175 and 225

[ironwill]

Ok please dont PM me or ask what lab I was using as there were a couple different ones. The ones that gave me issues were Prop and TNT, tren and masteron. Now these had never given me problems before what so ever. Pretty much painless and easy, great gear. I also had a case of cellulitis which Im just getting over after a week and a half. Now all of a sudden they are painful and leaving some nasty lumps at sites of injection accompanied by fevers and shit like that??? Not fun! I read a lot of guys complaining of pain, soreness, lumps, etc. This is no way to go through an entire cycle at all. What I did was took all of my gear, put in into the over at 375 and baked it for 60 minutes. Took them all out, put a needle into them all to release the pressure and they are good to go. This will guaranteed make painful gear pain free! It burns off some of the higher BA as well as kill off bacteria. The same gear that was hurting alot and I was in fear of my next injection is now pain free and now I'm loving it.

I dont want guys to have to endure painful shots, getting sick, abcesses, lumps, infections, etc. I used to do this years ago with IPs oils which if any of you had the honor of trying the stuff felt like you were shot with a 12 guage after each injection. Give this a try you will be very thankful you did. I havent had to do it again up until now, not sure why all of a sudden I have to when the same stuff was fine not too long ago.I am almost sure you are now injecting an inert oil into yourself...Very sure you baked way to high, way to long.....

[BritishColumbian]

I am almost sure you are now injecting an inert oil into yourself...Very sure you baked way to high, way to long.....

From all the reading and studying I have done on this subject, I have to agree with Ironwill. I think you may have overheated it. Please keep us posted on how it is working for you bro. I hope it is still good and you have a good cycle but keep us updated because if this works...

[JonnyO]

If you have any information on the degredation of hormones in oils being heated please share because I havent found any info on it. 60 mins may be a bit overkill, maybe 20-30 mins will suffice. I'd rather lose a few mg's than have to deal with infections and painful shots. I also think these hormones may be alot more resistant to heat that some may think.

[hyperlite32]

Bump for more info on anyone who knows the temp that will kill hormones that are in solution?

[deleteduser0002]

I don't know exactly but a very knowledgeable guy (Dr.M from Nexus) once said that baking gear for at least 40min at 250f was both effective and safe for the hormone......

[BritishColumbian]

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[BritishColumbian]

I don't know exactly but a very knowledgeable guy (Dr.M from Nexus) once said that baking gear for at least 40min at 250f was both effective and safe for the hormone......

Yes^^^ this is what I have heard also but I cant find any hard evedence as to what happens when you over heat it but I am Looking

[cdnsoldier]

Ok please dont PM me or ask what lab I was using as there were a couple different ones. The ones that gave me issues were Prop and TNT, tren and masteron. Now these had never given me problems before what so ever. Pretty much painless and easy, great gear. I also had a case of cellulitis which Im just getting over after a week and a half. Now all of a sudden they are painful and leaving some nasty lumps at sites of injection accompanied by fevers and shit like that??? Not fun! I read a lot of guys complaining of pain, soreness, lumps, etc. This is no way to go through an entire cycle at all. What I did was took all of my gear, put in into the over at 375 and baked it for 60 minutes. Took them all out, put a needle into them all to release the pressure and they are good to go. This will guaranteed make painful gear pain free! It burns off some of the higher BA as well as kill off bacteria. The same gear that was hurting alot and I was in fear of my next injection is now pain free and now I'm loving it.

I dont want guys to have to endure painful shots, getting sick, abcesses, lumps, infections, etc. I used to do this years ago with IPs oils which if any of you had the honor of trying the stuff felt like you were shot with a 12 guage after each injection. Give this a try you will be very thankful you did. I havent had to do it again up until now, not sure why all of a sudden I have to when the same stuff was fine not too long ago.

LMFAO @ your sig. Never noticed it before.

[elmatador]

when you bake the vials. Doesn't the rubber stopper on the vial melt? I wanted to bake my test prop, i have already used it. I wanted to bake whatever is left in it at 175 for 20 mins.

Please advise.

[ironwill]

when you bake the vials. Doesn't the rubber stopper on the vial melt? I wanted to bake my test prop, i have already used it. I wanted to bake whatever is left in it at 175 for 20 mins.

Please advise.

I believe the seal rubber is made of Viton, not buna...Buna rubber melts with heat, and certain chemicals and oils....Since they dont react with the seal i assume its made of viton and can tolerate higher heat....

[elmatador]

I believe the seal rubber is made of Viton, not buna...Buna rubber melts with heat, and certain chemicals and oils....Since they dont react with the seal i assume its made of viton and can tolerate higher heat....

sweet i am gonna give it a shot when i get home today. Freakin prop kills big time

[BritishColumbian]

remeber to put a pin in the top so your bottle doesnt break or explode? I dont know. I have never done it.

[elmatador]

sorry to follow up on this. So i can just put my needle on it without the syringe, 22.5 gauge and let it sit right? Does the tip of the needle have to be in contact with the fluid or just air. I am assuming the plastic end of the needle is not going to melt right?

sorry for the noob questions. I just want to make sure I am doing it right

Thanks.

[BritishColumbian]

Ive never done this , hopefully someone who has will chime in.

[MoooBaby]

The degradation depends on the hormone and it's ester as well as the carrier oil. From what I recal all hormones are fine up to 270 for less than an hour except tren. I wouldn't bake tren. Does anyone know anything about UV sterilization?

[elmatador]

bump..anyone?


sorry to follow up on this. So i can just put my needle on it without the syringe, 22.5 gauge and let it sit right? Does the tip of the needle have to be in contact with the fluid or just air. I am assuming the plastic end of the needle is not going to melt right?

sorry for the noob questions. I just want to make sure I am doing it right

Thanks.

[JonnyO]

sorry to follow up on this. So i can just put my needle on it without the syringe, 22.5 gauge and let it sit right? Does the tip of the needle have to be in contact with the fluid or just air. I am assuming the plastic end of the needle is not going to melt right?

sorry for the noob questions. I just want to make sure I am doing it right

Thanks.

No need to put a pin it while it bakes you'll be fine trust me. Just after you bake it release the air thats built pressure and your good to go.

[punkrock]

This may seem a little off topic, but I think it's similar.

If the gears gets too cold, like below freezing. Does that also kill the hormone as well?

[tripleA]

does anyone else experience less pain with baked gear other than J-O?
maybe labs should start baking their gear. it will be better for the environment since it is more efficient to bake a few hundred bottles at a time than each person baking a few at a time.
CBB, let's go green!

[ironwill]

The degradation depends on the hormone and it's ester as well as the carrier oil. From what I recal all hormones are fine up to 270 for less than an hour except tren. I wouldn't bake tren. Does anyone know anything about UV sterilization?
I believe rickyboy had some links of uv sterilization stuff

[nisser]

does anyone else experience less pain with baked gear other than J-O?
maybe labs should start baking their gear. it will be better for the environment since it is more efficient to bake a few hundred bottles at a time than each person baking a few at a time.
CBB, let's go green!

Something tells me they'd be doing it if it was beneficial and not bad for your gear (ex. it destroying the hormone). Just a thought..

[ironwill]

remeber to put a pin in the top so your bottle doesnt break or explode? I dont know. I have never done it.
I am not positive, but everything under pressure always goes to path of least resistance....IMO, the stopper would pop off before an explosion...???i dont know for sure though...

[BritishColumbian]

I am not positive, but everything under pressure always goes to path of least resistance....IMO, the stopper would pop off before an explosion...???i dont know for sure though...

yes you are right.

[ironwill]

yes you are right.
Electrical and hydraulic courses come in handy ....lolol

[waderow]

you want to relieve the pressure so when you turn upside down to draw, and remove the needle afterwards, you dont squirt out a cc of test on the floor

[deleteduser0002]

I've done this many of times. It doesn't explode or blow off the rubber stopper. There is no problems with pressure of any kind heating the vial at reasonable temperature (250f ish).

[elmatador]

hey guys,

so yesterday i sort of baked the gear. I was a bit paranoid about destroying the hormone so i used an alternative method.

I boiled water. Then I poured the boiling water in a pot to the level of the fluid in the vial. Then i put a 22.5 awg pin in the vial and placed it in the pot. I let it sit in there for about 10 mins and then emptied the water and refilled it with boiling water again. Total duration of the vial sitting in it was about 20-25 mins.

Then about 10 mins after I injected the stuff. I also took a shower before and warmed up my quads prior to injecting.

Anyway, this actually ended up working. I don't have the deadly limp anymore. The first time i injected, I was limping for 3 days straight. I am able to walk and don't feel any pain.

Basically the gear was baked at 100degC (boiling point of water). I imagine it dropped to 30 degC in about 20 mins or so. Next time I do it, i will put my temp. probe in to check. I just used this method since there was lots of talk about actually destroying the hormone when baking.

It could also be possible that the fluid was really warm and got absorbed by the muscle much better.

[JonnyO]

dry heat is the best application method.

[evetSSteve]

This may be a stupid question..
The point of baking the gear in the first place is to lower the BA content in order to reduce the inflamation/crippling pain from the gear.

Here is what I have gathered, can someone back this up:
-Bake in preheated oven at 200 degrees fareinheit.
-15-20minutes
-Take out of oven, place large guage pin in vial to remove pressure.


1)***Do you inject right then and there? Or do you let the solution/vial cool before drawing and injecting? (Could I bake today, inject tommorow?)

2) This is only done one time to the vial and it is 'cleared of pain' or is it before every injection?

[tripleA]

hey guys,

so yesterday i sort of baked the gear. I was a bit paranoid about destroying the hormone so i used an alternative method.

I boiled water. Then I poured the boiling water in a pot to the level of the fluid in the vial. Then i put a 22.5 awg pin in the vial and placed it in the pot. I let it sit in there for about 10 mins and then emptied the water and refilled it with boiling water again. Total duration of the vial sitting in it was about 20-25 mins.

Then about 10 mins after I injected the stuff. I also took a shower before and warmed up my quads prior to injecting.

Anyway, this actually ended up working. I don't have the deadly limp anymore. The first time i injected, I was limping for 3 days straight. I am able to walk and don't feel any pain.

Basically the gear was baked at 100degC (boiling point of water). I imagine it dropped to 30 degC in about 20 mins or so. Next time I do it, i will put my temp. probe in to check. I just used this method since there was lots of talk about actually destroying the hormone when baking.

It could also be possible that the fluid was really warm and got absorbed by the muscle much better.

what you did was warm up the gear. no way did your gear reach 100 C. i guess warming up the gear does help since your muscles probably absorbs it more efficiently.