HGH and Cancer?

[HoliTheCat]

Hey everyone,

I was wondering what your thoughts are with regards to the above topic. Any truth related to this? Any articles that you have read that are either for or against?

Thanks,

[canadianmuscle0803]

if you have a family history of cancer then yes it will speed up the process if your are prone to get it.

[HoliTheCat]

if you have a family history of cancer then yes it will speed up the process if your are prone to get it.

Well **** me eh? Well not me per se...as no one in my family has ever had cancer...but **** that sucks for those that have.

Any articles to back this up?

[baza]

I think more so if you have a tumor or along that line, it will increase the growth rate of it.

[SmallieBigs]

As a former smoker (quit about 3 months ago or so), I have been scared to even think about touchin' hgh because of this possibility... even when a bro wanted to dump 3 months supply on me a while ago cheap... tempting, but just too scared of the possible consequences...

[tiramisu]

Accelerated tissue growth is an effect of HGH. Cancer is tissue and it's growth is acceleerated by HGH or maybe the resulting IGF1. It's use is not a known causal factor. i.e. HGH is not carcinogenic.

I'm just learning to use pubmed so excuse the mess..

Oddly hgh resistant mice live longer.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19281058?ordinalpos=56&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum


Doping with growth hormone/IGF-1, anabolic steroids or erythropoietin: is there a cancer risk?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17349798?ordinalpos=106&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

[Solo59]

if you have a family history of cancer then yes it will speed up the process if your are prone to get it.

This is not accurate. What "process" – the process of being prone to get it? Many people have had cancers in their extended families but do not actually get cancerous cells. There is more to cancer than genetics: Experts say 75% of the cause is enviromental/life-style related. GH does not cause cancer, period. It does not increase the likelihood of cancer, period. If you already have active cancerous cells then GH may contribute to their growth & spread. It is "growth hormone", after all.

Solo

[Solo59]

Accelerated tissue growth is an effect of HGH. Cancer is tissue and it's growth is acceleerated by HGH or maybe the resulting IGF1. It's use is not a known causal factor. i.e. HGH is not carcinogenic.

I'm just learning to use pubmed so excuse the mess..

Oddly hgh resistant mice live longer.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19281058?ordinalpos=56&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum


Doping with growth hormone/IGF-1, anabolic steroids or erythropoietin: is there a cancer risk?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17349798?ordinalpos=106&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

Good post, Italian dessert-guy.

Solo

[theboss]

guess i will steer clear

[Timbo89]

The reason being is that it speeds up the cellular production which can cause abnormal cells (cancer). Anything that speeds up the process of cell division gives an increased risk of cancer, because it increases the chance that cells will get muffed up in the process. GH increases abnormal tissues as well as normal tissues, theres a university prof who talks about it, and even stuff we eat that increases the risk of cancer, I guess Soy is pretty bad for cancer in males especially. Ill try find his speech on youtube and i will post it.

[HoliTheCat]

Thanks guys. Good info here. Keep this discussion up. I think as a community we need to keep in mind long term effects of what we choose to do today.

[Praetorian]

If you have an existing tumour than HGH is not a good idea. If you dont then hgh can actually help prevent cancer from starting.
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[canadianmuscle0803]

This is not accurate. What "process" – the process of being prone to get it? Many people have had cancers in their extended families but do not actually get cancerous cells. There is more to cancer than genetics: Experts say 75% of the cause is enviromental/life-style related. GH does not cause cancer, period. It does not increase the likelihood of cancer, period. If you already have active cancerous cells then GH may contribute to their growth & spread. It is "growth hormone", after all.

Solo

my wording may not be accurate but i never did say GH CAUSED Cancer. i said it sped up the process of growth of the cancer cells if you are prone to have it.. ive seen a study on this i have to find it.

ask Dave Palumbo.. hes a very educated man in this field and he will say the same thing.

[canadianmuscle0803]

The reason being is that it speeds up the cellular production which can cause abnormal cells (cancer). Anything that speeds up the process of cell division gives an increased risk of cancer, because it increases the chance that cells will get muffed up in the process. GH increases abnormal tissues as well as normal tissues, theres a university prof who talks about it, and even stuff we eat that increases the risk of cancer, I guess Soy is pretty bad for cancer in males especially. Ill try find his speech on youtube and i will post it.

this is exactly what I was trying to say.

[Vitamin S]

HGH is naturally found in the body. you are just increasing its output by taking synthetic HGH from your daily shots, just like raising your test levels by taking cypionate or sustanon.

HGH is not cancer causing itself. what it does is multiply or double the cell count from what i hear. also it will not distinguish between good and bad cells. so it will double both healthy and bad cells.

cancer or tumours are bad cells so it will also speed up the growth rate of that. maybe you can get it checked out by your doctor first to see if you have any tumours or precancerous cells in the body.

[nisser]

Anything that increases cellular metabolism and cell growth will increase your chance of getting cancer including steroids. Don't fool yourself on that.

It's why cancer generally comes about at a later age. Your cells have had a lifetime of cell division and given enough cell divisions, DNA is bound to get copied improperly.

[Praetorian]

Anything that increases cellular metabolism and cell growth will increase your chance of getting cancer including steroids. Don't fool yourself on that.

It's why cancer generally comes about at a later age. Your cells have had a lifetime of cell division and given enough cell divisions, DNA is bound to get copied improperly.


This is completely untrue and very inaccurate to say the least. Please refrain from spreading media propoganda on a forum intended to educate. HGH causes growth and hyperplasia at the cellular level. Thus if you have existing tumours it can accelerate it. If you do not have existing tumours HGH will improve the immune system and actually help prevent tumours from starting. HGH and aas are prescribed to aids patients for this very reason.
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[Solo59]

The reason being is that it speeds up the cellular production which can cause abnormal cells (cancer). Anything that speeds up the process of cell division gives an increased risk of cancer, because it increases the chance that cells will get muffed up in the process. GH increases abnormal tissues as well as normal tissues, theres a university prof who talks about it, and even stuff we eat that increases the risk of cancer, I guess Soy is pretty bad for cancer in males especially. Ill try find his speech on youtube and i will post it.

A university prof says so? Well, that's that then. At least until we find another university prof that says otherwise.:rolleyes:

There's as many experts in universities with different views as there advertisers with different products.

Causing celluar growth does not cause cancer. If cancer is already present (not genetically-inclined but actually present) then you certainly don't want celluar growth.

Solo

[Solo59]

Anything that increases cellular metabolism and cell growth will increase your chance of getting cancer including steroids. Don't fool yourself on that.

It's why cancer generally comes about at a later age. Your cells have had a lifetime of cell division and given enough cell divisions, DNA is bound to get copied improperly.

It's my understanding that at a later age, cells are no longer vigorously dividing as they once were, so that's why DNA/RNA can make copying mistakes. It's not the increase of mitosis but the decrease that is the problem.

(Or maybe I'm just missing my GH so much that I feel the need to trumpet its wonders.;))

Solo

[canadianmuscle0803]

i think we are all clear on this now

GH will not cause cancer but only speed up the process of growth of the cancer cells.. end of discussion.

[O-Train]

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Case Closed!

[ironwill]

HGH is naturally found in the body. you are just increasing its output by taking synthetic HGH from your daily shots, just like raising your test levels by taking cypionate or sustanon.

HGH is not cancer causing itself. what it does is multiply or double the cell count from what i hear. also it will not distinguish between good and bad cells. so it will double both healthy and bad cells.

cancer or tumours are bad cells so it will also speed up the growth rate of that. maybe you can get it checked out by your doctor first to see if you have any tumours or precancerous cells in the body.
awesome...if it doubles cells...ill be 460 in no time....wooot....i shoulda knew this earlier....lolol:greet:D:shock

[nisser]

This is completely untrue and very inaccurate to say the least. Please refrain from spreading media propoganda on a forum intended to educate. HGH causes growth and hyperplasia at the cellular level. Thus if you have existing tumours it can accelerate it. If you do not have existing tumours HGH will improve the immune system and actually help prevent tumours from starting. HGH and aas are prescribed to aids patients for this very reason.
P

Untrue? What do you think happens when you go from 1 cell to 2?

It's called cell division which is preceded by dna replication which can be inherently error prone and cause cancer.



It's funny that you mention HGH and aas with regards to HIV patients. Want to know a neat fact about it?


HIV patients have had an incredibly large prevalance of cancers of all sorts in the last 2 decades. You can quote Dr. Luc Montagnier (Nobel prize winner and discoverer of HIV) and Mark Weinberg (a big name in AIDS world) on that; 2 people I spoke to in person about this issue.

[HoliTheCat]

Untrue? What do you think happens when you go from 1 cell to 2?

It's called cell division which is preceded by dna replication which can be inherently error prone and cause cancer.



It's funny that you mention HGH and aas with regards to HIV patients. Want to know a neat fact about it?


HIV patients have had an incredibly large prevalance of cancers of all sorts in the last 2 decades. You can quote Dr. Luc Montagnier (Nobel prize winner and discoverer of HIV) and Mark Weinberg (a big name in AIDS world) on that; 2 people I spoke to in person about this issue.

Could this be due to the lowered immune system in aids patients? And Praetorian stated that hgh can strengthen the immune system and help prevent cancer if you do not have a tumor already.

[nisser]

Here's the bottom line. Cancer arises due to a **** up during dna replication. Anything that increases the propensity of DNA replication will increase the rate at which cancers come about.

[O-Train]

Here's the bottom line. Cancer arises due to a **** up during dna replication. Anything that increases the propensity of DNA replication will increase the rate at which cancers come about.

Yup, **** up's can lead to mutations, mutations can cause cancer. Usually you need multiple things to **** up to get cancer. Although with so many chances your odds of getting cancer (if you live long enough) are better than the Heart and Stroke Lottery :). The details of all this are so rediculously complicated that people spend their whole lives researching and manage to kind of figure out a very small portion of what's going on.

That and we're not considering dosage or the multitude of individual factors.

[nisser]

Yup, **** up's can lead to mutations, mutations can cause cancer. Usually you need multiple things to **** up to get cancer.

Nope, it can happen in a single mutation if it hits an important tumor-suppressor gene (ex. p53)

I'm not saying that using HGH and aas will give you cancer without a doubt, but it's important to realize that it IS a risk. I know about it and accept it and I think it's important that others have it laid out as well.

[O-Train]

Nope, it can happen in a single mutation if it hits an important tumor-suppressor gene (ex. p53)

I'm not saying that using HGH and aas will give you cancer without a doubt, but it's important to realize that it IS a risk. I know about it and accept it and I think it's important that others have it laid out as well.

Hence the word usually. Don't make me pull out my notes, this stuff was confusing enough when it was fresh in my mind.

[ironwill]

Yup, **** up's can lead to mutations, mutations can cause cancer. Usually you need multiple things to **** up to get cancer. Although with so many chances your odds of getting cancer (if you live long enough) are better than the Heart and Stroke Lottery :). The details of all this are so rediculously complicated that people spend their whole lives researching and manage to kind of figure out a very small portion of what's going on.

That and we're not considering dosage or the multitude of individual factors.

i guess you are using laymens terms here....lolol....i wouldnt listen to any bb forum gurus if you are truly worried for health....this is great to watch discussions and how people relay what they read somewhere else...its like that old game, start with one sentence and pass it on, by the time it gets to the end it is completely skewed...lol..