First Timer

[MikeyFXD35]

If someone was looking at trying some gear is there a good oral to look for? I done a lot of research and Anadrol seems to be the propolar one.

Yes I have good diet, I get lots of protien train hard but just cant get past the stage I am at now and have been for the last 20 years.

5'8"
187
around 21% BF but if I try and drop it more I have to eat less and thats like trying to grow a tree without soil.

[ubcpower]

you have a lot of work to do before you even consider aas. have a good read through the training and diet sections of the forum. dont sell yourself short. it all starts with attitude and drive man. right now you sound like youve given up...

[nitrous]

need to lower that bf in my opinion.. and i think anadrol is a bit much for first time but then what do i know my first time i did m1t lol

[MikeyFXD35]

you have a lot of work to do before you even consider aas. have a good read through the training and diet sections of the forum. dont sell yourself short. it all starts with attitude and drive man. right now you sound like youve given up...

I am far from giving up. I will keep going regardless because I enjoy doing it, its just I like to see a bit more size. On the point of lowering my BF I was down to 18 but 0 gains in mussel. I watch my ratios closely so I know what is working and what is not. I am trying to bulk right now so I know the BF is going to go up.

[Dk]

Ok so.

You've done alot of research, and you think an Adrol cycle is a good choice for a first one?

that sentence makes zero sense

[ubcpower]

if you had done ANY research at all youd get an overwhelming and obvious answer that is preached on almost everrrrrrrry board for first cycle....TEST ONLY

[ubcpower]

obviously your diet and/or training isnt where it should be if youre stuck. Why not write out your diet and workout regime for us so we can help you out

[deleteduser0001]

if you had done ANY research at all youd get an overwhelming and obvious answer that is preached on almost everrrrrrrry board for first cycle....TEST ONLY


I have never, ever, heard that before.

[nitrous]

I have never, ever, heard that before.

then you havent done any research lol

[deleteduser0001]

then you havent done any research lol

i think you are full of shit and you just got called on it. show me where on the internet, all these glowing recommendations for a "TEST ONLY" first cycle.

please and thank you.

[nitrous]

i think you are full of shit and you just got called on it. show me where on the internet, all these glowing recommendations for a "TEST ONLY" first cycle.

please and thank you.


Your first cycle should be test only with a proper pct



right here ^^^^

[Dk]

I have never, ever, heard that before.


i think you are full of shit and you just got called on it. show me where on the internet, all these glowing recommendations for a "TEST ONLY" first cycle.

please and thank you.

Are you being serious right now haha.

Youve obviously heard test should be a base to any cycle. So why would you start off with add-ons, and not the base?

sure there are PROS out there who swear they never use test, but thats the thing, they are PROS. Someone about to take their first cycle isnt a pro, and doesnt know anything about what their body is gonna do, so start with the basics/base. Test.

When someone is to the level where they decide they dont like test, then they can be free to drop it, until then, Test is the known base to any cycle when your first starting, no way around it, no way to justify it not being.

[ubcpower]

Pretend you know nothing about steroids, bodybuilding or drugs....all you have to go on for research is google.
go to google.com
type in something naive, how about "first steroid cycle???" ...what comes up?

http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle1.php

What cycle does anthony roberts suggest? Test Cyp or Enanth only for 12 weeks...dbol is optional.

If you continue doing research for maybe 10 mins you will get overwhelming majority of people saying a first steroid cycle should be Test only.

I dont appreciate you calling me "full of shit" and i really hope you were being sarcastic.....please and thank you

[deleteduser0001]

Are you being serious right now haha.

Youve obviously heard test should be a base to any cycle. So why would you start off with add-ons, and not the base?

sure there are PROS out there who swear they never use test, but thats the thing, they are PROS. Someone about to take their first cycle isnt a pro, and doesnt know anything about what their body is gonna do, so start with the basics/base. Test.

When someone is to the level where they decide they dont like test, then they can be free to drop it, until then, Test is the known base to any cycle when your first starting, no way around it, no way to justify it not being.

No, i have never heard of a test only cycle. It always has dbol, anadrol or some other oral, or even deca as a base cycle. NEVER seen a solid 10 week prop cycle recommended for a first timer..

[Dk]

No, i have never heard of a test only cycle. It always has dbol, anadrol or some other oral, or even deca as a base cycle. NEVER seen a solid 10 week prop cycle recommended for a first timer..

im interested and knowing where the source for this info is.

Because it definatly wasnt around here, or any other forum ive been on

Anadrol as a first time cycle base?

[deleteduser0001]

im interested and knowing where the source for this info is.

Because it definatly wasnt around here, or any other forum ive been on

Anadrol as a first time cycle base?

bolex, renegade when it was around, meso for the longest time. CBB and MN used to give out the same info.

normally not anadrol, but dbol, some just throw out anabol because some believe in the "best cycle = first cycle" so go hard.

[Dozer1980]

seems odd to me bro these guys know there stuff and are only trying to help, tell ya what you do your d-rol only cycle and take a buddy who does 500mg of test any test for 10 weeks and see how you both look after and how much you gain and keep. no need to be rude imo do some more reading. bump for nitros nice bro

[ubcpower]

seems odd to me bro these guys know there stuff and are only trying to help, tell ya what you do your d-rol only cycle and take a buddy who does 500mg of test any test for 10 weeks and see how you both look after and how much you gain and keep. no need to be rude imo do some more reading.

............not even. I have basically no experience with AAS arena of bodybuilding. But the original poster's ideas and plan were so off track i thought id help him out. But buddy called me out and accused me of being full of shit regarding where i heard/read the "glowing" recommendations for a first cycle of test

[spinalcolum]

i think you are full of shit and you just got called on it. show me where on the internet, all these glowing recommendations for a "TEST ONLY" first cycle.

please and thank you.

I know one thing for sure,,,I would NEVER ask you for any advice on AAS...

[deleteduser0001]

Pretend you know nothing about steroids, bodybuilding or drugs....all you have to go on for research is google.
go to google.com
type in something naive, how about "first steroid cycle???" ...what comes up?

http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle1.php

What cycle does anthony roberts suggest? Test Cyp or Enanth only for 12 weeks...dbol is optional.

If you continue doing research for maybe 10 mins you will get overwhelming majority of people saying a first steroid cycle should be Test only.

I dont appreciate you calling me "full of shit" and i really hope you were being sarcastic.....please and thank you

and even within the "optional" side, dbol is still listed and still in the chart.

that isn't a "TEST ONLY" cycle.

I am not trying to be an ass either, but you have yet to prove me wrong.

[Dk]

and even within the "optional" side, dbol is still listed and still in the chart.

that isn't a "TEST ONLY" cycle.

I am not trying to be an ass either, but you have yet to prove me wrong.

dbol is optional, but along with all those cycles, what is the common factor? Test. Hence the reason Test is the base to all those cycles.

sure its fine to use dbol AND test as a first, but if your trying to keep it easy it all narrows down the base, which is test.

[ubcpower]

since youre so passionate about proving your point, why dont you spend 20-30 minutes doing an online search of what people suggest for first cycles. Take a look at what the majority consensus is and come back to us with your results.

[spinalcolum]

I agree

[deleteduser0001]

since youre so passionate about proving your point, why dont you spend 20-30 minutes doing an online search of what people suggest for first cycles. Take a look at what the majority consensus is and come back to us with your results.

because i'm not the one spouting internet opinion and rhetoric as infallible steroid gospel to someone who needed help.

[buildinthaskinnys]

Do whatever you want but keep your dosages low, being that it is your first time using, the more you can grow, off of the least amount is best and you will never know how well you respond if you dont start at the bottom. Im not sure of the dosage of the a-bomb tabs as it varies, but a good dosage to start at would be about 20-30mgs a day. I would lean to the lower end of the scale, remember also the lower the dosage the safer it is to use over a longer period of time and therefore will translate to more sustainable gains. Rememeber also at a low dosage you arent going to blow up like everyone talks about and your strength wont go through the roof, but you will see a nice buildup of size and strength and this is safer and more effective in the long run.

[monkey]

This is a funny thread.... wow, made me laugh ...eventhough I am on PCT.
Take the advice you get here. I personally have usually heard of doing a Test only cycle first eventhough most people like to add on some oral ( probably not neccesary at first)

1) to me, the fact that you are replacing your own hormone in a much higher dosage sounds like a good idea to me( just logical to me, even if I knew nothing about roids), compared to other substances

2) The side effects if test are generally fairly mild (dosage dependent of course) and can be controlled easily

3) An anadrol etc cycle is gonna make you liver a very happy candidate and apparently leads easily to gyno ( I know dbol does that to me)

4) Apparently, people recover faster from test cycles then deca etc ( not based on my own experience but I'd throw it out there)

5) Well...kinda nice feeling being on test whereas orals dont feel that great to me

^) Awesome being horny on test

And yeah, I was stupid. I did an oral cycle the first time and gained.. but trust me, my first time running test at 300 mg was waaayyy better....

Do test only for now, even at 250 mg and enjoy it.

By the way... listen to the people here and you'll absorb a shit load of knowledge... Poeple will help you a lot here if you approach them right.


Take care

[MikeyFXD35]

Thanks for all the info, and I am trying to stick to an oral to avoid have all the gear around the house. For now I am going to try the Ripped Tabs TR but I will keep reading.
Diet
Morning:
Cereal / oatmeal , BCAA
Arginine & Cretine workout
Protein drink & fruit
Lunch:
Eggs or chicken, bread, veggie and or rice protein drink
Protein drink
Protein drink and granola bar
Dinner
Red meat or fish or chicken, veggies / salad, rice
Protein drink
Bed
Protein drink and Cretine caps

One other thing in I am 45 so my test is not the same as a 20y.o.

[Ritch]

^^^ Man this is THE worst thread I`ve seen. Dude ^^^ your diet absolutely blows, don`t even think about steroids.

[Big D]

Thanks for all the info, and I am trying to stick to an oral to avoid have all the gear around the house. For now I am going to try the Ripped Tabs TR but I will keep reading.
Diet
Morning:
Cereal / oatmeal , BCAA
Arginine & Cretine workout
Protein drink & fruit
Lunch:
Eggs or chicken, bread, veggie and or rice protein drink
Protein drink
Protein drink and granola bar
Dinner
Red meat or fish or chicken, veggies / salad, rice
Protein drink
Bed
Protein drink and Cretine caps

One other thing in I am 45 so my test is not the same as a 20y.o.

you have alot of protein drinks in there, whats in those protein drinks ??
take a look in the nutrition section on the board that will help you out alot

[Ritch]

actually it can be one of the best thread ever, if he goes against his original plans of doing anadrol and changes up his diet...

[MikeyFXD35]

you have alot of protein drinks in there, whats in those protein drinks ??
take a look in the nutrition section on the board that will help you out alot

I just switch to ON WHEY GOLD. Was on Muscle Milk but way to many calories. I forgot one thing, Animal Stak mutli. From what I have read I need 187gm of protein a day so that is way all the drinks, just 1 scoop so that is 24 gm pre drink or 33 if I use skim milk.

[Dk]

I just switch to ON WHEY GOLD. Was on Muscle Milk but way to many calories. I forgot one thing, Animal Stak mutli. From what I have read I need 187gm of protein a day so that is way all the drinks, just 1 scoop so that is 24 gm pre drink or 33 if I use skim milk.

For starters.

Take way to many calories out of your vocabulary.

and also, try bumping that 187g of protein to about 300 if your gonna start using.. Shit, actually, try bumping it to 300 before you start using and see if you can even do it.

[MikeyFXD35]

For starters.

Take way to many calories out of your vocabulary.

and also, try bumping that 187g of protein to about 300 if your gonna start using.. Shit, actually, try bumping it to 300 before you start using and see if you can even do it.

So what is the best way to get that much protein?

[ubcpower]

6meals x50grams protein...its not rocket science....try 2 lean protein meals(chicken, turkey, tuna, shrimp, egg whites), 1 fatty protein meal(red meat, salmon, whole eggs), and 3 shakes

[MikeyFXD35]

Well I am going for blood work tomorrow to see where I am at. Can anyone tell me want the normal test level should be?

Never mind I googled it I should be at 600.

[Skyblob]

Well guys, let me give my opinion...

Im 220 lbs, i eat 180-220g prot per day, ive made that since i started training and I grow very fast and very well... I started at 137 and im now 220 in 2 years and 3 months of training. BF went up by 7% tho. Im now 18. My opinion is that i dont think it worth eating 300g protein if you are natural, because your body wont absorb it all... It will only be stucked as fat or you will sh** it... During cycles i try to get my prots 300g+ because i know im on anabolics and my protein absorption is way higher than natural.. You follow me?

[Doryphorus]

My first cycle was 12 weeks of Test Enan @ 500mg/wk, PCT was nolva/aromasin. I gained 20lbs, kept 15 after PCT... No Dbol/drol etc.

[Diesel_250]

if you aren't ready to poke yourself with a needle you aren't ready for juice. I agree that you should run a base of test and add other compounds to that. for your first cycle you only need test by its self. 500mg/wk for 12 weeks is a good place to start, make sure you have nolva on hand incase any unwanted sides arrise. make sure that you do research and plan out a proper PCT.

good luck

[mo_sco]

Listen to what the people are saying:

If you want to lose bodyfat DROP the protein drinks and go to 6 solid meals. Chicken brown rice and veggies/ steak small potato and salad/egg whites and oatmeal, etc, etc. There are many great diet books out there. But IMHO until you commit to a goal (say a contest) you will not be able to lose the weight. Until you master your eating you should not consider AS. I have trained naturally for over 10 years and now carry very low bodyfat year round. I am finally considering AS as I have plateaued at just over 300BP, 450 squat and 600 DL at 9%BF and almost 40. Get the DIET under control first!!! You will make better gains when you are lean and have nothing to hide from your family. Your physical changes will be more noticable if you drop bodyfat first plus you wife will like your look more than if you bloat up on AS first. Seriously, look at doing a contest or working with a nutritionist...much better way to spend the money first, IMHO. Best of luck!

[Timbo89]

my first cycle was test cyp @ 500mg/week and EQ at 400 mg/week. HOWEVER, My BF was around 12%, not 21. I had a balanced diet.

[O-Train]

Well guys, let me give my opinion...

Im 220 lbs, i eat 180-220g prot per day, ive made that since i started training and I grow very fast and very well... I started at 137 and im now 220 in 2 years and 3 months of training. BF went up by 7% tho. Im now 18. My opinion is that i dont think it worth eating 300g protein if you are natural, because your body wont absorb it all... It will only be stucked as fat or you will sh** it... During cycles i try to get my prots 300g+ because i know im on anabolics and my protein absorption is way higher than natural.. You follow me?

I agree. Considering his lean body mass, if he wasn't taking any AAS 300g of protein would be overkill. Training naturally I would think 150g/day would be more than adaquate.

I will say that there is a serious lack of knowledge with a lot of people when it comes to drugs in general. Just from reading I know exactly how to inject, proper aseptic procedure, what sites to use, the specific drug/dosage and frequency of administration along with proper PCT. I always thought it was kind of "the rule" to start with test only. Then possibly increase the dosage in a subsequent cycle and/or add in another compound but only one at a time.

So for anyone planning on running a first cycle, figure out all the things I just mentioned first and then think long and hard about your training history and how serious your diet is. Unless you need to see results right away or want to get really big, most people probably don't need AAS to achieve their goals. I'm only 24 and at 5'11 I could have a full 6 pack at just over 200lbs and my diet isn't what most people would consider "proper".

[rob66679]

No, i have never heard of a test only cycle. It always has dbol, anadrol or some other oral, or even deca as a base cycle. NEVER seen a solid 10 week prop cycle recommended for a first timer..

Who advises anything OTHER than a test only cycle for a noob? A deca base? Might as well run some tren while your at it.
Keep in mind this is the same poster who couldn't figure out how to dose his gear.

[Timbo89]

If youve never heard of a test only cycle, theres something wrong with you, something seriously wrong.

[gustavo77]

No, i have never heard of a test only cycle. It always has dbol, anadrol or some other oral, or even deca as a base cycle. NEVER seen a solid 10 week prop cycle recommended for a first timer..


Deca as a base....lol....yup, that will work well for well being and libido....hahaha...not.

The people that recommend those types of cycles, do not know their head from their ass when it comes to proper use of AAS.

If you have never heard of people recommending test only for a first cycle then you are listening to the wrong people...plain and simple.

To the original poster, do some more reading and get your diet and training were it should be. Then hit up a cycle of test.

[MikeyFXD35]

Deca as a base....lol....yup, that will work well for well being and libido....hahaha...not.

The people that recommend those types of cycles, do not know their head from their ass when it comes to proper use of AAS.

If you have never heard of people recommending test only for a first cycle then you are listening to the wrong people...plain and simple.

To the original poster, do some more reading and get your diet and training were it should be. Then hit up a cycle of test.

Yes, that is the plan. Getting some Clen and anavar just in case the BF% starts to climb. Someone told me I really need to look at this as a cutting cycle more then a bulking cycle.

I do appreciate all the diet advice but I have been at this for over twenty years, I know what I need to eat and I do. Some bodies don't respond like others. I have 2 chooses. Eat and grow or diet and shrink. I have just finished dropping 20lbs and have put 9 of that back on in the last 6 weeks because I have increased my protein intake. Partly muscle and partly fat. Loosing weight is not rocket science, eat less calories then you burn, that's all it is. Doesn't matter what the calories come from. Now to build muscle you need protein and the carbs for energy. So I am trying to loss the fat and keep the muscle I have and that is way I am looking at juicing.

I am tried of losing gain to dieting.

[Dk]

Yes, that is the plan. Getting some Clen and anavar just in case the BF% starts to climb. Someone told me I really need to look at this as a cutting cycle more then a bulking cycle.

I do appreciate all the diet advice but I have been at this for over twenty years, I know what I need to eat and I do. Some bodies don't respond like others. I have 2 chooses. Eat and grow or diet and shrink. I have just finished dropping 20lbs and have put 9 of that back on in the last 6 weeks because I have increased my protein intake. Partly muscle and partly fat. Loosing weight is not rocket science, eat less calories then you burn, that's all it is. Doesn't matter what the calories come from. Now to build muscle you need protein and the carbs for energy. So I am trying to loss the fat and keep the muscle I have and that is way I am looking at juicing.

I am tried of losing gain to dieting.


uhh actually it does matter where the calories come from.

you cant just aim for 2500 calories a day and get that from 5 double cheese burgers from mcdonalds.

what matters is matching the calories to fit your macros, set a number of protein, carbs and fats you want in a day, and then how many calories your want, and then make those 4 variables all add to the exact same thing at the end of that.

calories means nothing if your not associating them with your right protein/fat/carb macros

someone eating 3000 calories a day in and getting those calories in so it also works out to be (just for an example) 200g protein, 200g carbs, and 100g fats, is gonna be alot better off then someone eating 3000 calories a day, the exact same amount of calories, but having them broke down to look like 80g protein, 300 g carbs and 200g fat isnt gonna be as good.

ps-those macros are just used for example, i didnt use those numbers saying thats what you should aim for.

[Ritch]

^^^ DK makes some good points.

[MikeyFXD35]

uhh actually it does matter where the calories come from.

you cant just aim for 2500 calories a day and get that from 5 double cheese burgers from mcdonalds.

what matters is matching the calories to fit your macros, set a number of protein, carbs and fats you want in a day, and then how many calories your want, and then make those 4 variables all add to the exact same thing at the end of that.

calories means nothing if your not associating them with your right protein/fat/carb macros

someone eating 3000 calories a day in and getting those calories in so it also works out to be (just for an example) 200g protein, 200g carbs, and 100g fats, is gonna be alot better off then someone eating 3000 calories a day, the exact same amount of calories, but having them broke down to look like 80g protein, 300 g carbs and 200g fat isnt gonna be as good.

ps-those macros are just used for example, i didnt use those numbers saying thats what you should aim for.

Agree but still if you burn 3000 cals and you consume 3000 there will be no reduction in BF. So to you need to reduce that by 500/day to loss a pound of BF a week or you need to increase your activity level 500/day. Easiest way to do that is to increase your muscles mass so it increase your BMR.