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juggybuggy
25-05-2009, 10:45 PM
So I have been on for a long time now, since last Oct basically.
I did 18weeks of test/deca then took a short break then jumped right on to test/tren. So I am shut down big time.
I have HCG but I have been lazy about using it. I have 6000ui on hand, so I will stay on test/tren til I use that up at about 500ui eod.
once I come off I have 20 tabs of clomid 50mg, and about 30 tabs of nolva 20mg. normally I would run them together, but that only gives me 4weeks which I am afraid is not enough.
So I am planning on running one then the other, which would give me 7weeks.
so which one should I run first?

I know I should get some more, I tried already. but my source is no longer available. so I have to make the most of what I have.

Dk
25-05-2009, 11:32 PM
id do the clomid first then the nolva since the clomid has the same estrogen blocking properties as the nolva, but also triggers natural test to come back slightly, while nolva only blocks the estro.

i think anyway, this is just what i learnt

but if what i said is right, then it makes sense to go clomid and then nolva since youll want your test levels to come back soon as possible.

also as a little help on the side, get some animal test by universal animal pak.

i know the general rule is legal supps=shit, but this stuff is actually really good, like 130 bucks though for less then a month worth. my dick was taking a beating hard when i was comin off cycle, then as soon as i added this stuff in, in a short amount of time i could get it up real good again

Ritch
25-05-2009, 11:35 PM
I`d look into some Formex caps by IBE.

theboss
26-05-2009, 09:16 AM
wow...thats a long time to be on.......good luck

daande
26-05-2009, 09:19 AM
get some tribulus and ZMA. Take 1500mg of tribulus everyday and take whatever the recommended dose of ZMA is on the bottle. Do this with your PCT should help your nat test come back.

kyle
26-05-2009, 09:26 AM
This is going to be a bitch to recover from. Don't be surprised if it takes 6 Months to feel normal again. I'm no expert on HCG but I think guys start to run it at the end of their cycles 500 or 1000 every 3rd or 4th day. I would think your going to want to wait at least 2 or 3 weeks before using your clomid so the gear can get out of yor system. If I were in your shoes I would seriously seeing and endo if you don't start to at least feel better in a month or 2. There are several guys on this board who get shut down very hard from tren and deca on short cycles. Your have suppressed your natty production for almost a year. If you are serious about making a FULL recovery and not just getting back on the sauce after PCT it will take months. Be smart and try to recover fully you don't want to be on HRT for life. The only reason for me sounding so negative is I know how hard it was for me recovering from tren and I was not on for the better part of a year. Best of luck.

waderow
26-05-2009, 09:58 AM
drop the tren, and stay on the test. hit the HCG and buy some aromasin from somewhere.

do the clomid and aropmasin together until the clomid is gone and then use up the nolva along side the aromasin

hyperlite32
26-05-2009, 10:08 AM
You will need more PCT.HCG, Clomid and aromasin being the top chioces. Good luck, I think you will need it.

juggybuggy
27-05-2009, 12:04 AM
thanks for all the responses guys! I appreciate it.
I think I know how I'll go about this now.
I will drop the tren, and stay on test til I use up my HCG, then run the clomid, and then the nolva. after that I think the biggest factor will be time.
I know it is going to be a long road to recovery, but I am determined to go through with it. hopefully I will be feeling normal sometime before 2010.

kyle
27-05-2009, 03:17 PM
I'm sure with every passing week you will feel better. Stick it out for a few months and you will feel much better.

Good Luck!

Drummer
27-05-2009, 03:26 PM
wow long time to be on. Id stop the tren cause it will continue to suppress you hard. try your ass off to get an AI. Aromasin if you can. Run it with the nolva after your done the clomid. Hopefull you can get your hands on something to make your PCT effective, your prolly REALLY shut down.

~D~

Solo59
27-05-2009, 03:27 PM
get some tribulus and ZMA. Take 1500mg of tribulus everyday and take whatever the recommended dose of ZMA is on the bottle. Do this with your PCT should help your nat test come back.

Oh yeeeah, Trib & ZMA will get you up and running after being on since Oct (and including Tren in your diet).:rolleyes: Don't forget vitamin E!

Solo

tex
27-05-2009, 09:10 PM
Oh yeeeah, Trib & ZMA will get you up and running after being on since Oct (and including Tren in your diet).:rolleyes: Don't forget vitamin E!

Solo lol.

hcg, clomid and aromasin....and cross your fingers.....i'm in kinda the same boat so i cant make fun of you....but i have everything for my pct.....good luck!!