questions about legal prohormones

[MMASTAR]

What exactly are all of these pro hormones out there? Im not sure there even legal in canada but on the web theres thousands of these. Do they do anything? Does anyone have any experience with any of these? Just curious really any info would be appreciated. Thanks

[Avitoholis]

Alot of these "prohormones/prosteroids" are simply steroids that have been not produced/marketed as a drug by pharm companies for one reason or another, likely risk rewards were to heavily on the risk side of things. Now do they work? Yes, i'd have to say they do work to some extent, some better than others. Would I recommend them? Nope, I'll stick with the tried and true myself.

[Mister T 72]

An interesting topic that doesn't seem to be discussed much around here.
I'd also like to hear from those that have tried some of these products...havoc/epistane,superdrol/and clones of,h-drol etc.

[hyperlite32]

Pro-hormones/legal steroids are not talked about much here because in canada, they are looked at as "steroids"

The general thought amongst BB in canada is that, why use these PH when you can get better,safer, more results with REAL gear. If the penalties are the same for some obscure steroids made in the 60's (AKA Pro-hormones) that was dropped because of side-effects, with little to NO clinical use, why would you choose to put that into your body over,
Test/ Deca, D-bol or winny?

atleast the 4 listed above have there place in medicine, have been tested and proven for decades of "generaly safe" use.

Make your chioce!

Seems like and easy one to me.

[Solo59]

These knock-off oral steroids are dreadful for your kidneys, heart, & especially liver.

Solo

[gicantor]

I used two bottles of epistane before I knew how to get real steroids.

I will say that epistane is great shit! I liked it anyway.

[MMASTAR]

Ive been reading a lot about them. There is about a million of them availible. Has anyone else ever tried any of these? I am more looking to maintain body weight while cutting BF% kind of anavar type results. I have also never used steroids and do not know where to get them either. Epistane seems to be the most popular one but there are so many. Who knows which acctually work.

[gicantor]

They all work but they all do different things. Some will bloat you, some give you dry gains, some are brutally harsh on your liver.

For example,avoid superdrol and superdrol clones. While it is the best for packing on quality mass,it's extremely harsh on your liver. Lots of side effects too.

Epistane/Havoc clones are more popular because they produce lean,dry gains with minimal side effects(if any at all)and it's mild on your liver values. Miminal PCT as well.

[MMASTAR]

do you think epistane can be used with a cutting diet to maintain weight while losing BF?

[MMASTAR]

also been reading about HDROL for cutting..anyone care to weigh in?

[Ritch]

Just throwing this out here. I`ve read lot`s of guys get a hard look using the tren products out there. But using that means you will need something to counteract progesterone.

[gicantor]

do you think epistane can be used with a cutting diet to maintain weight while losing BF?


Absolutely. Just don't expect to see huge gains since you are using it for cutting.

[gicantor]

also been reading about HDROL for cutting..anyone care to weigh in?

Hdrol. Pro-steroid of T-bol. Modest gains in strengh and weight. Great for cutting. Mild on the liver.

[gicantor]

Here is everything you need to know about PH's.

Methoxy-TST
Innovator: Bioscience Technologies
Nomenclature: 17b-methoxytrienosterone
Pill size: 2mg
Dosages: The label recommends 2-6mg daily, but many users report only noticing effects when dosed at 8-12mg.
Side effects: Low liver toxicity. Some users say this is a libido killer, yet others say the exact opposite. Other users report sides of thinning hair/hair loss.
Reputation: Seemingly underdosed, methoxy-TST could be considered an underrated designer, as many users have reported some substantial gains with higher dosages.


Epistane/Havoc/Hemaguno
Innovators: IBE, RPN, Spectra Force
Nomenclature: 2a-3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
Pill Size: 10mg or 12.5mg depending on what brand you use
Dosages: 20-50mg
Side Effects: Milder on liver and lipid levels than other methyls. Known to cause lower back and calf pumps.
Reputation: There has had some spectroscopy and compound identification issues with these products, but from personal experience with it, is still a solid product. Many users have taken this compound as a solo run for gynecomastia reduction due to it's SERM-like and anti-aromatase properties. It is also a popular compound for use with the 'pulse method' of taking orals. Users can expect to see significant gains in both strength and mass.


Pheraplex:
Innovator: Designer Supplements
Nomenclature: 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol
Pill Size: 10mg
Dosages: 10-40mg
Side Effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profile, lower back and calf pumps, some users report aggrevation of gynecomastia with this compound.
Reputation: Solid product for bulking. Wet gains. It is a sometimes used to jumpstart an injectable cycle. This is the less androgenic isomer in the Ergomax LMG matrix.


Ergomax LMG
Innovator: ALRI
Nomenclature: 17-methyl-delta-2-etioallocholane & 17-methyl-delta-3-etioallocholane
Pill Size: 10mg
Dosages: 10-40mg
Side effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profiles, lower back and calf pumps, may aggrevate gynecomastia.
Reputation: Again pretty solid for bulking. Users can expect similar gains as with pheraplex.


Superdrol:
Innovator: Designer Supplements
Nomenclature: 2a, 17a-dimethyl-17ß-hydroxy-5a-etiocholan -3-one
Pill size: 10mg
Dosages: 10-30mg
Side Effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profiles, hypoglycemia lower back and calf pumps, some users report agrivation of gynecomastia with this compound. From personal experience, it gives me a wicked rebound, that causes some flare-up.
Reputation: Side effects vary from mild to extremely harsh, so use caution if planning your first run. Excellent dry gains. Great for bulking or cutting. Explosive strength gains.
This is a methylated form of Drostanolone (Masteron)


Methoxy-TRN
Innovator: ALRI
Nomenclature: 17b-Methoxy-Trienbolone
Pill size: 1.5mg
Dosages: 1.5-6mg
Side effects: Affects libido (some positively some negatively), can aggrevate gynecomastia. May cause thinning hair/ hair loss. Also another progestin.
Reputation: This guy is a real hit or miss. Some users loved the stuff, while others did not notice anything from it. From personal experience, I've noticed increases in strength as well as decreases in bodyfat.


Halodrol-50
Innovator: Gaspari Nutrition
Nomenclature: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-1,4-diene-3,17 diol
Pill Size: 50mg
Dosages: 25-75mg
Side effects: Heptatoxicity, lower back/calf pumps
Reputation: Milder than superdrol or pheraplex. Modest gains in mass and strength. Most users take this as part of a cutting cycle.
This is a prosteroid of Turinabol.

Prostanozol/ Orasan-E
Innovators: ALRI, Gaspari Nutrition
Nomenclature: [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol
Pill size: 25mg
Dosages: 50-150mg (Although it is not uncommon to go much higher than this)
Side effects: very few sides. Some users report thinning hair/hair loss.
Reputation: Possibly the most mild of the designers, this compound is rarely run standalone. It is often stacked with a methyl compound for a lean bulk or cut. Very mild, yet easily maintained gains.
This is a de-alkylated derivative of Stanozol (winstrol).


Finigenix Magnum
Innovators: PharmagenX
Nomenclature: Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione
Dosages: 50-75mg
Side effects: aggrevation of gynecomastia. This is a progestin (it can convert to trenbolone). Expect tren-like sides.
Reputation: Though there hasn't been much logged on this bad boy, those who've used it have liked it. This is a prohormone to Tren.

Propadrol:
Innovator: EST Nutrition
Nomenclures: 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene &
6-17 dihydroxyetiocholone-3-ol proponate
Dosages: 1-2 caps daily
Side effects: low side effects
Reputation: User's who've taken it have reported great decreases in bodyfat, while increasing musclemass and strength. Not much data is present on this compound within this forum. NOTE: this is does not contain the same compound as Max LMG. They are close, but no cigar.


Max LMG
Innovator: ALRI
Nomenclature: 13-ethyl-3methoxygona-2, 5(10)-dien-17-one
Pill size: 25mg
Dosages: 25-135mg daily
Side effects: Can easily aggrevate gynecomastia. May be a libido killer. This is another progestin.
Reputation: A bulking compound through and through. Users can expect great recovery, and soaking WET gains.


M-1,4ADD
Innovator: unknown
Nomenclature: 17a-methyl-1,4-Androstadiene-3,17diol
Dosages: 30-90mg daily
Side effects: heptatoxicity, slight possibility to aggrevate gyno
Reputation: Great for a bulk. Somewhat wet gains, and decent strength gains. This is a prohormone of Dianabol. However, since dianabol and Boldenone are so very similar, it is believed that the actions of this prohormone are more similar to boldenone than to dianabol (methylboldenone).

1,4 AD
Innovator: Molecular Nutrition
Dosages: 300-600mg
Nomenclature: 1,4-Androstadiene-3,17-dione
Side effects: Mild
Reputation: Very weak and not very cost-efficient at the moment. This compound is often stacked with a methyl to potentiate and accelerate gains. Cycles are usually run at a MINIMUM of 4 weeks as this one takes a few weeks to 'kick in'. Slow, steady, and easily maintainable gains. This is a prohormone of Boldenone.

Promagnon-25
Innovator: Peak Performance Labs
Dosages: 25-75mg
Nomenclature:4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17b-diol
Side effects: The usual sides associated with methylated compounds (heptatoxicity, lower back/calf pumps)
Reputation: Very similar to that of Halodrol-50, although people who've tried both seem to prefer Halodrol. For a while a lot of people were conviced that these two products were one in the same. Rest assured, they are not. This is a methyl derivative of clostebol.


Oxyguno
Innovator: Spectra Force
Nomenclature: 4-chloro-17 -methyl- etioallochol-4-ene- 17 -ol-3,11-dione
Pill Size: 7.5mg
Dosages: 7.5-22.5mg daily
Side effects: Heptatoxicity from 17a-methylation. Very low androgenic sides.
Reputation: Despite popular belief, this is not the most myotrophic designer out there: it has the highest Q factor. It is actually only about 77% as myotrophic as the active present in Havoc/Epistane/Hemaguno. Users taking Oxyguno can expect mass gains as well as excellent fatloss. Due to it's incredibly low androgenic ratio, strength gains are not as pronounced.

Furaguno/ Ortasan-A
Innovators: Spectra Force / Gaspari Nutrition
Pill Size: 33mg
Nomenclature: 5a0androstano[2,3-c] furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol
Dosages: 33-99mg daily
Side Effects: very mild
Reputation: Supposedly lowers cholesterol, increases androgenic receptor activity, and does not induce any heptatoxicity. This product is too young on the market to have developed a reputation yet. Get some, log it, and let us know so I can update this compound's profile. This is a prosteroid to furazabol.

3-AD / 11-oxo
Innovator: Anabolic Xtreme / Ergopharm
Pill Size: 150mg
Dosages: 450mg
Nomenclature: andrenosterone, 11-oxo-androstenedione, or 4-androstene-3,11,17-trione (all mean the same thing)
Side effects: Mild
Reputation: This prohormone has a great affinity for blocking up cortisol receptors. User's report great changes in body composition, namely significant fatloss.

[MMASTAR]

Thanks...

[Mister T 72]

Thank you gicantor !!
May give epistane or propadrol a try if they can be found

[Kilburn]

i'm starting a cycle of it on monday.

mine is ddrol, each cap is a 52.5mg blend of superdrol pheraplex and finigenix. i'm just going to start with 1 cap a day cause 105mg of orals might land me in the hospital.

running it with

700mg test e
some eq for joints
10iu slin post

hoping for some huge gains. we'll see. i might log it too with before and after pictures. ill keep you guys posted.

[killer40]

Im expecting a bottle of Beastdrol in mail soon. Sdrol clone. Heard great things on another board about this stuff. Ill let ya all know how it works out for me. Cycle is 4-6 weeks at 30mgs day.

[mo_sco]

I know the Haladrol 50 was the real deal but is no longer available. How is the Haladrol that's on the market now?

Good Thread!

[smukker]

Once did a cycle of Superdrol clone M-drol it gave me decent results but with many side effects. The stuff gave me super high blood pressure, constantly felt shitty and overal would never touch the stuff again. Just my .02 on prohormones

[smukker]

And one more thing, they arent exactly legal like the title of this thread says. Good luck getting them past customs if ordering online.

[budthespud]

And one more thing, they arent exactly legal like the title of this thread says. Good luck getting them past customs if ordering online.

can they be purchased domestically ???

[evser]

no they can't be purchased domestically but they come through customs relatively easily from what I've seen. The few times that packages were inspected people have been allowed up to 3 months worth and the rest was confiscated? So keep the order small (a couple of bottles) and you should be alright.

[Memo]

i used hdrol before, it worked great, very dry gain, kinda hard to keep after. I believe its too hard for the body to keep 10lbs of muscles gained in 6 weeks.

[manfreakca]

m drol is dam good too