The WBFF says you are ALL on drugs!

[jasoncpowell]

I recently received a WBFF newsletter with a rant from Daryl Gazey, Director of Operations with the WBFF. Here is the link to the “rant” by Mr. Gazey. http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=148164182&blogID=488701833

As a lifetime drug free, lifetime alcohol free, lifetime narcotic free athlete, I speak for all natural athletes as an ambassador of our great sport.

Using any “steroid” or “AAS” no matter the excuse, for sports enhancements is illegal. It is not a moral issue, it is not a personal choice as mentioned by Mr. Gazey, but simply illegal. It is unfortunate that the smaller few in the ranks of natural sports spoil the hard work, sacrifice and dedication of the many. It is even more unfortunate that Mr. Gazey announces “I’ll humble myself in stating that it’s safe to assume that most high caliber athletes are using ’something’ to better themselves and really it boils down to a matter of personal choice and that has nothing to do with whether a show is ‘drug free’ or not”. Again, this “personal choice” is illegal and it may be interesting to know Mr. Gazey comes from a background including serving as a police officer.

My personal statement to ALL who challenge my being natural is this, “Feel free to test me any time, at any location, without notice. Feel free to use blood tests, hair samples, urine samples, skin samples or any method you feel is appropriate. Of course this cost is on you, but I am willing to take any test and/or give any sample.” Many natural athletes share this view. We are beyond proud of accomplishing all we have while refraining from the “easy” and “illegal” ways of steroids.

I challenge Mr. Gazey and Paul Dillett to have their athletes sign a waiver allowing DEA agents to test them at will and to search (unannounced) their personal belongings for illegal substances. As Mr. Gazey states “shoot from the hip” and “be honest”, let’s see how honest he will be in telling his own athletes in the WBFF they are NOT natural. Those like Ava Cowen, Jennifer Nicole Lee, and other champions like, Vanny Vay, Garfield Wilson, Stephanie Castro, Bryna Carrier, Heather Robertson, Richard Chan, Diana Chaloux and the list goes on with Tosca Reno, Obe Obidike, Kendall Wood, Rob Riches, Lyzabeth Lopez, Annette Milbers, Ocean Bloom, Andre Rzazewski, Nathan Jackson, Sean Everingham. Oh…and those sponsors, the one’s supporting the WBFF…hey guys, EAS, GNC, Budweiser, Muscle Pharm and more...you all are now officially supporting the use of steroids, AAS, enhancement drugs and again, an illegal activity!

Jason C. Powell – World Class Professional Natural Bodybuilder
“A lifetime of sacrifice, dedication and eliminating EVERY excuse…that’s what it takes”

[tiramisu]

I admire a man who completely dissociates himself from logic and reason.

[spitfire]

Got some pics of you?

[jasoncpowell]

Sure...there are a few at these links...
Body Proud (http://www.bodyproud.org/photo/album/listForOwner?screenName=1i1m0w50wcxut)
Ripped Academy (http://www.rippedacademy.com/jasoncpowell)
Optimum Nutrition (http://www.optimumnutrition.com/team.php?id=38)
and Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/jasoncpowell)

[4031]

who ****in cares?

[St]

Ya so i take gear.

[spitfire]

I guess those who compete in the events will care.

I for one am pro anabolics BUT, if you are going to a natural event, then it means you have to be natural.

If you are going to an untested event, then it's a free for all.

[spitfire]

Hope you don't mind mean posting this

but here is a pic

[O-Train]

This site must be getting some good traffic! I think by now everyone knows what I think of the WBFF...

I'm not going to take sides because I have respect for anyone who puts in the time and effort to compete in bodybuilding (drugs or otherwise). I have no respect for people who compete in natural shows when they shouldn't.

Welcome to the site Jason, I also compete in natural bodybuilding shows. Feel free to stick around but bashing steroids and people who take them will cause a lot of problems on this site.

[spitfire]

Live and let live when it comes to personal use. But my sentiments about shows are posted above. Promoting the sport whether natural or non tested is a good thing. What I like about CBB is we don't pick sides. Everyone is welcome. Education in all aspects of bbing is the base of CBB. Steroids included. At least if someone is going to do them, they can educate themselves and not ruin their health in the process.

[tiramisu]

The DEA is an american invention and I'm fairly certain there are few american bodybuilders interested in going to jail.

I don't believe the actual use of steroids is a felony in Canada although it is certainly against many athletic organization bylaws.

I'm don't know what your passion for natural bodybuilding has to do with the WBFF. In canada the vast majority of bodybuilding is at a minimum officially drug free. Leaving the opportunity for anabolic using bodybuilders actually on the margin.

There are quite a few natural heavyweight bodybuilders on this board who have expressed their desire for more testing within the amateur competitions and I see nothing at all wrong with this other than it's kind of a shame that people feel the need to cheat in a sporting event.

That said the WBBF is bringing sponsors and prize money to competitors in Canada. That of itself is an extremely positive thing. That the WBBF is not catering to your personal needs is not terribly relevant to my mind.

[Danger]

Its still the competitiors choice as far as where and when and with which organization to compete, if you dont agree with the 'rules' or way an organization handles its compeditors then simply find somewhere else to compete.

Bodybuilding is deffinatly a sport unlike most where if you want to compete in the big leagues you pretty much 100% need to be using AAS or you simply wont get there.

[wrought]

I challenge Mr. Gazey and Paul Dillett to have their athletes sign a waiver allowing DEA agents to test them at will and to search (unannounced) their personal belongings for illegal substances.

Don't know what's stupider, somebody posting on a Canadian board about letting the DEA test and search Canadian athletes at will or somebody claiming to be a natural bodybuilder when what is considered natural is defined by an ever changing set of arbitrary laws and incomplete lists of performance enhancing substances.

:popc2

[JonnyO]

Gotta love how these "Natural" "Athletes" love to go out of their way to tell EVERYONE that they are natural. I mean who gives two shits if your natural or not...oh and by the way its clearly obvious that you are natural, but anyways, all bodybuilders have a common thing and thats training and nutrition, we all know what sacrifices it takes to get into stage condition, how much time and effort it takes in the gym. So why do the natural guys try to take it all away from guys who are enhanced? Is there something wrong with wanting to push our physiques to another level? I dont hear many guys that are enhanced walking around the gyms talking down on the claimed natural guys. Its always the other way around and one thing that comes to mind is ENVY...

[St]

Do the canadian competitors have to sign for the DEA haha.We only have the rcmp but then again to need a search warrent to someone house.
I want to see the street safe again like the 1950's.

[mr.niceguy]

Gazey stated in a previous blog that they are not drug testing. So,,,, go compete in fame, wnbf, or some other organization.... problem solved.

[dinosaur]

This site must be getting some good traffic! I think by now everyone knows what I think of the WBFF...

I'm not going to take sides because I have respect for anyone who puts in the time and effort to compete in bodybuilding (drugs or otherwise). I have no respect for people who compete in natural shows when they shouldn't.

Welcome to the site Jason, I also compete in natural bodybuilding shows. Feel free to stick around but bashing steroids and people who take them will cause a lot of problems on this site.

I'd have to agree. I have no issue with people taking steroids so long as they are not competing in natural shows. It's actually a very simple theory and it's too bad that it even needs to be discussed, but steroid users vs steroid users and natural vs natural in regards to competitions... not rocket science, but I do suppose there are those who compete in natural shows when they shouldn't and that is where the issue lays.

[marino]

Jason I will first say welcome to Cbb. Second, what I or others choose to do to our bodies is our choice, I do use alot of what I read here to educate myself but I will say I hope you stick around I believe that you will have alot of excellent input in regards to diet, training. Everyone here has to decide what path is right for them. My two cents

[Adonis13]

Sure...there are a few at these links...
Body Proud (http://www.bodyproud.org/photo/album/listForOwner?screenName=1i1m0w50wcxut)
Ripped Academy (http://www.rippedacademy.com/jasoncpowell)
Optimum Nutrition (http://www.optimumnutrition.com/team.php?id=38)
and Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/jasoncpowell)

yah we can all tell you are natural. especially by your legs. either that or your training sucks. at 5'9 you should have wheels. go preach at church, or shut up and squat, and keep it to youself

[AlladdinSane]

I don't use either. But still, STFU and get out you whining girl.

Gheyest thread ever.

[Sean Summers]

I only want the $20,000 fur coat!
SS

[wrought]

I only want the $20,000 fur coat!
SS

PIMP PIMP!!!

[flapjack]

This reminds me of my days in powerlifting and the whole "lifting raw vs with equiptment" debate. I started lifting raw, and as I progressed in the sport, I started using knee wraps, wrist wraps, Inzer Z-suit, Inzer blast shirt, but as time when on, the equipment got more advanced and I felt that I had lifted to my body's physical limit. Sure, I could have gone to a canvas suit and a triple denim open back bench shirt and added a couple hundred pounds to my total, but I chose not to. Did I feel it was cheating? No, not if everyone else was using them. I could have competed in a deferent federation that did not allow that type of equipment. I just felt that I had gone as far as I personally wanted to in the sport without going to extremes. Just as you have chosen to do by competing as a natural. Good for you...you are sticking to what you believe in, but not everybody feels the same as you. You will never win the debate, so just stick to what you are doing and train and compete in natural (tested) shows... why would you care about the other guys?

We all have choices...and if you are American, you should know this better than everyone...you know... "the land of the free"?

Stop preaching and train hard brother.

BTW, I think you look great. My hat is off to you.

[Ritch]

I recently received a WBFF newsletter with a rant from Daryl Gazey, Director of Operations with the WBFF. Here is the link to the “rant” by Mr. Gazey. http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=148164182&blogID=488701833

As a lifetime drug free, lifetime alcohol free, lifetime narcotic free athlete, I speak for all natural athletes as an ambassador of our great sport.

Using any “steroid” or “AAS” no matter the excuse, for sports enhancements is illegal. It is not a moral issue, it is not a personal choice as mentioned by Mr. Gazey, but simply illegal. It is unfortunate that the smaller few in the ranks of natural sports spoil the hard work, sacrifice and dedication of the many. It is even more unfortunate that Mr. Gazey announces “I’ll humble myself in stating that it’s safe to assume that most high caliber athletes are using ’something’ to better themselves and really it boils down to a matter of personal choice and that has nothing to do with whether a show is ‘drug free’ or not”. Again, this “personal choice” is illegal and it may be interesting to know Mr. Gazey comes from a background including serving as a police officer.

My personal statement to ALL who challenge my being natural is this, “Feel free to test me any time, at any location, without notice. Feel free to use blood tests, hair samples, urine samples, skin samples or any method you feel is appropriate. Of course this cost is on you, but I am willing to take any test and/or give any sample.” Many natural athletes share this view. We are beyond proud of accomplishing all we have while refraining from the “easy” and “illegal” ways of steroids.

I challenge Mr. Gazey and Paul Dillett to have their athletes sign a waiver allowing DEA agents to test them at will and to search (unannounced) their personal belongings for illegal substances. As Mr. Gazey states “shoot from the hip” and “be honest”, let’s see how honest he will be in telling his own athletes in the WBFF they are NOT natural. Those like Ava Cowen, Jennifer Nicole Lee, and other champions like, Vanny Vay, Garfield Wilson, Stephanie Castro, Bryna Carrier, Heather Robertson, Richard Chan, Diana Chaloux and the list goes on with Tosca Reno, Obe Obidike, Kendall Wood, Rob Riches, Lyzabeth Lopez, Annette Milbers, Ocean Bloom, Andre Rzazewski, Nathan Jackson, Sean Everingham. Oh…and those sponsors, the one’s supporting the WBFF…hey guys, EAS, GNC, Budweiser, Muscle Pharm and more...you all are now officially supporting the use of steroids, AAS, enhancement drugs and again, an illegal activity!

Jason C. Powell – World Class Professional Natural Bodybuilder
“A lifetime of sacrifice, dedication and eliminating EVERY excuse…that’s what it takes”

I respect the fact you are willing to take a test of any kind at anytime, but asking athletes to sign a waiver allowing them to be tested is just crazy talk. Seriously one aspect that turns people off from natural bodybuilding is the goody two shoes people they portray and you`re a shinning star here stating that you never drank alcohol in your life. How is that even important? I hope you don`t decide to compete in the wbbf because budweiser is a sponser as you know. And distancing yourself from sponsors can`t cause good relations with the federation. I`d keep my mouth shut aboout that. That and the type of gay pics you naturals are known for. Like the pic posted here. Why the hell do you guys do that? Don`t give me any of that artistic crap either. You hoping some fag sees that and contacts you to do some private posing? Keep stiring shit up like how the sponsors are supporting steroid use, you will just be screwing yourself in the long run, no matter how good you are. Hell if they wanted to they could cause controversy saying you tested positive if they really wanted to. True or not. Either way good luck you you, you have a great physique but are trying tto win a battle that will never be won.

[O-Train]

Gazey stated in a previous blog that they are not drug testing. So,,,, go compete in fame, wnbf, or some other organization.... problem solved.

Exactly, lots of the athletes are using because they don't test and because they figure everyone else is. Even in the tested shows people try to get away with as much as they can. Some get caught, some don't.

The only reason I mention that I don't take steroids is because I don't want to be compared to the big guys. For the record, juiced up guys sometimes talk down to natural guys for the simple reason that they think being bigger makes them better. Although natural guys talk down to people too, saying drugs did all the work and they took the easy way out etc... So it goes both ways.

[JonnyO]

I only want the $20,000 fur coat!
SS

If there were a pimp cup I'd go for it.

[kinger77]

stupid question. while at a show yesterday i came up with this jackass question. if a women has fack breats doesnt this mean she is not natural? I have abeen to many "natural shows" why are they allowed in. esp with symatry being one of the most important qualites of a bodybuilder. haha

[dinosaur]

stupid question. while at a show yesterday i came up with this jackass question. if a women has fack breats doesnt this mean she is not natural? I have abeen to many "natural shows" why are they allowed in. esp with symatry being one of the most important qualites of a bodybuilder. haha

hahaha! that's a good point


but shhh, don't give anyone ideas... nobody wants to see flappy boobs.

[wbff]

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[Andre]

yah we can all tell you are natural. especially by your legs. either that or your training sucks. at 5'9 you should have wheels. go preach at church, or shut up and squat, and keep it to youself

I don't give a damn if he is or isn't natural... he's got a better physique than a lot of juicers I have seen!

Last time I checked this was canadabodybuilding.com no canadajuicers.com :)

[theboss]

stupid question. while at a show yesterday i came up with this jackass question. if a women has fack breats doesnt this mean she is not natural? I have abeen to many "natural shows" why are they allowed in. esp with symatry being one of the most important qualites of a bodybuilder. haha

shut the **** up...i love implants. :tu

[jasoncpowell]

I hear ya! I am not passing judgement on those that use...my personal opinion is that it is illegal, so why even chance it...

My goal with my personal thoughts and opinions of the WBFF is to identify they actually are not natural, make sure people know that...and for those competitors that have joined them, they know they are considered 'users' now by their own org...

I am all about being true to whatever it is...if it is clean..be clean...if not, don't pretend..just be true to whatever it is you are doing ;)


This site must be getting some good traffic! I think by now everyone knows what I think of the WBFF...

I'm not going to take sides because I have respect for anyone who puts in the time and effort to compete in bodybuilding (drugs or otherwise). I have no respect for people who compete in natural shows when they shouldn't.

Welcome to the site Jason, I also compete in natural bodybuilding shows. Feel free to stick around but bashing steroids and people who take them will cause a lot of problems on this site.

[jasoncpowell]

Jonny O...it is because we "naturals" understand that taking AAS is illegal...a crime...criminal activity.

Now, before you get bent out of shape...clean or not, we all work the same, diet hard and have great conviction for the sport...as I stated in another reply...just be true. If you are clean, be clean, if not, be true to that...stand for whatever it is you do...now THAT I can respect!

Thank you for the post!


Gotta love how these "Natural" "Athletes" love to go out of their way to tell EVERYONE that they are natural. I mean who gives two shits if your natural or not...oh and by the way its clearly obvious that you are natural, but anyways, all bodybuilders have a common thing and thats training and nutrition, we all know what sacrifices it takes to get into stage condition, how much time and effort it takes in the gym. So why do the natural guys try to take it all away from guys who are enhanced? Is there something wrong with wanting to push our physiques to another level? I dont hear many guys that are enhanced walking around the gyms talking down on the claimed natural guys. Its always the other way around and one thing that comes to mind is ENVY...

[jasoncpowell]

Thank you, Ritch! Good post! It really comes down to being true to yourself and whichever side of the sport you choose. I have had great training partners that used...some are IFBB pros now. I respect the hard work and dedication, but I personally choose to not take part in a crime...if they were legal, maybe we all would have a different view on it.

The competitors "using" a lot of times have to deal with more than we do..."using" isn't cheap, isn't safe and so many times leads to rough relationships...AND a dear friend of mine cannot have children now, most likely due to his past use.

Thank you again for your post! Best of luck to you too!


I respect the fact you are willing to take a test of any kind at anytime, but asking athletes to sign a waiver allowing them to be tested is just crazy talk. Seriously one aspect that turns people off from natural bodybuilding is the goody two shoes people they portray and you`re a shinning star here stating that you never drank alcohol in your life. How is that even important? I hope you don`t decide to compete in the wbbf because budweiser is a sponser as you know. And distancing yourself from sponsors can`t cause good relations with the federation. I`d keep my mouth shut aboout that. That and the type of gay pics you naturals are known for. Like the pic posted here. Why the hell do you guys do that? Don`t give me any of that artistic crap either. You hoping some fag sees that and contacts you to do some private posing? Keep stiring shit up like how the sponsors are supporting steroid use, you will just be screwing yourself in the long run, no matter how good you are. Hell if they wanted to they could cause controversy saying you tested positive if they really wanted to. True or not. Either way good luck you you, you have a great physique but are trying tto win a battle that will never be won.

[Ritch]

You know Jason, I like the way you responded here. Was actually glad you didn`t take offense to some of the things I said in my post, sometimes I shouldn`t post when I just wake up... But in the end, not choosing to do steroids because it`s illegal to me anyway is the last thing stopping me. Using them is not illegal in Canada. I guess comes down to personal views on things. Being natural was costing me so much, using all these supps, I just asked myself if it was really worth my trouble. For me it was my conscious holding me back always telling me, "but what will my parents think" Seriously.

As you know society does not always dictate what is good for it`s people. The very fact that the DEA, AMA and another one I can`t remember were against the scheduling of steroids should be enough to let one know that they shouldn`t be illegal. The freaken Drug Enforcement Agency man! They`re against them being controlled drugs, it`s just crazy the government thinks they know better than the DEA and go against their decision and schedule steroids anyway. You see how these people are not thinking properly? However you can smoke yourelf until you have lung cancer and eat at Mc Donalds for breakfast, lunch and dinner and the government is cool with this. Which is hurting society more? Which one does the government want you to be? To me, not taking steroids because they`re illegal is like saying, you better do your stop at a stop sign for 3 full seconds because it`s illegal if you don`t. I mean who cares? It`s like not using snow tires because they`re not in season but there`s a snow storm outside. But wait! It`s not snow tire season, don`t put on the snow tires because it`s illegal to do so.

Like I said you have a really good physique and look forward to your posts. Hopefully you will be active in the nutrition, supplement and training forums. And if you have a screwed up mind and sense of humour you will fit in well here.

[O-Train]

I'm also hoping you stick around. Would very interested in hearing about what your diet looks like (especially leading up to a show) and your workout routine.

[L3]

To me, not taking steroids because they`re illegal is like saying, you better do your stop at a stop sign for 3 full seconds because it`s illegal if you don`t. I mean who cares?

just to point something out which some of you probably missed..... jason is from TEXAS. do you know what they like to do to even the most minor crimianls in the dirty south??? why are you guys so appaled that he doesnt want anythign to do with illegal activity???

canada is such an accepting country, we should realize that some places the laws are not as bendable as they are here, if you do something illegal, you WILL get ass raped, and being brought up with that mentality is perfectly fine.

jason sounds like a good guy. and i am interested in his diet and training as well.

:welc

[Ritch]

just to point something out which some of you probably missed..... jason is from TEXAS. do you know what they like to do to even the most minor crimianls in the dirty south??? why are you guys so appaled that he doesnt want anythign to do with illegal activity???

.

I thought Texas made it`s own law! I`ve heard bodybuilding in big there and where there`s bodybuilding, there`s drugs, so I thought Texas would be soft on the boys who want to juice. I`m not appaled by the fact he dosen`t want to do steroids because they`re illegal, I`d say puzzled is a better term. I mean he has friends who are pro`s I`m sure he has a connection for the sauce. The chances of being caught for something like this are slim to none. On a moral point for sure I understand that, but I did point out what I think of these law makers and how they make flawed decisions based on given agendas no matter what others tell them. But yes they`re still illegal.

[WBFF Daryl Gazey]

Just wanted to say, first and foremost, that its a pleasure to post on your board and for providing a forum in which to do so.
We certainly owe some thanks to the organizations that have chosen to share my latest 'rant' as it served to generate a new popularity for the WBFF and also contacts from new competitors and sponsors. Apparently controversy fares well! Thanks to Jason Powell of FAME for sharing his opinion; however out of context it was stretched.

It is both entertaining and interesting to see how certain organizations can adopt policies which herald 'fairness' and take credit for starting a movement in the 'natural' arena of fitness. Since when did not declaring a stance on the topic of drug abuse amount to being 'pro drug?" No more than attending a rock concert in which people were using narcotics, would liken me to a 'crack head.' Do I applaud the efforts of organizations who 'attempt' to clean up the sport of bodybuilding and fitness and rid it of banned substances? Absolutely. Am I educated enough in this field to understand and realize that the current testing protocols DO NOT presently achieve this? Again...absolutely. Do I feel that its fair to sit across a table from an athlete and simply assess their physiques visually and say, "You're a drug user!" Or further, collecting thousands of dollars collaboratively for urinalysis that is not conducted by WADA (World Anti Doping Agency standards....who by the way, will be the first to acknowledge that their testing protocols are not 100% effective.)

Ask your favorite 'natural organization' if they test for human growth hormone, insulin, Insulin growth Factor 1, MGF 1 and PGF? (these are all popular substances that are well known to be used to breeze through testing standards). Ask the organization if their urinalysis is able to exceed the half-life of water based or orally ingested anabolic agents? Is the knowledge of this fact a proclamation of advocacy? Knowing this, how comfortable would I be in taking money from athletes to achieve a means to an inconclusive end? I challenge ANY natural organization to state claim to EVERY one of their athletes being 100% drug free and to provide references to this conclusion; but unfortunately, chances are slim that I'll live that long. Not to mention that, and please quote me, "It can't be done!"

I do realize that their goal is to do the 'best they can' but in knowing that your best unfortunately will not net those who wish to educate and circumvent these processes poses the dilemma, "Are all our athletes 100% drug free?" The answer to this question will ALWAYS, based on current protocols, be "we're not certain." Are ALL the athletes in the Olympics drug free? Again, we're not sure. Certainly the ones that tested positive weren't but what about those who have the knowledge to beat the tests? Is the naivety so strong to proclaim that, "Because we drug test, then we're 100% natural???" Well, I'll let you do your due diligence on that one.

If I'm not absolutely certain, I'm not going to further take money from athletes pockets by putting them through an erroneous process which amounts to no more than catching the 'ill informed' and 'ill advised' again; despite legal ramifications. I don't suppose the DEA went knocking on the doors of any of the World Cup Soccer players who tested positive spinning a pair of handcuffs.

[Quote]: "I’ll humble myself in stating that it’s safe to assume that most high caliber athletes are using ’something’ to better themselves and really it boils down to a matter of personal choice and that has nothing to do with whether a show is ‘drug free’ or not…" [end quote]

This 'something' can refer to ANY performance enhancing product, including legal compounds; the reference being that athletes will avail themselves to a number of options to improve their athletic ability and this may be inclusive of androgenic anabolic steroids as much as it pertains to creatine and glutamine. Interesting how some people attempt to slant something to their benefit.

At the end of the day, this ISN'T about which organization but rather what your organization can do for you. I would imagine if you're the 'best of the best' in track and field that you'll relish a gold medal at the Olympics; knowing full and well that perhaps some of your competitors aren't as moral.

I'll leave you with this last morsel from Dr. Charles Yesalis who has spent his life studying this particular subject, has wrote numerous books, has sat on the International Olympic Committe on doping control, has been an advisor to the D.E.A. and who has been recognized by American Congress by his testimony as an 'expert'....

"the drug testing policy of professional sports organizations amounts to little more than a policy of plausible deniability." This is from someone 'in the know' who is an advocate against drug use in sports. Does his statement mean he condones drug use?

I choose to spend my valuable time assisting the WBFF in continuing to be the best damn fitness organization around, providing athletes with insurmountable opportunities and not scrutinizing their legal or moral boundaries in something that Dr. Yesalis comments as "plausible deniability;" not because I, nor the WBFF, supports those who use drugs, but because we understand that by today's standards, we're not going to do a good enough job to lay false claim.

It's about time that people came forward in our industry, took their heads out from the sand, and realized that this isn't about 'who's better than whom' or 'let's see who can be better' yada yada but rather, what is the organization I'm competing for, doing to further my goals; whether they drug test or whether they don't.

Unfortunately, in my humble opinion, drug testing will continue to be the unspoken facade that caters to this plausible deniability. How the heck can you advocate a 'natural' organization WHEN THERE ARE NO CONCLUSIVE METHODS OF DETECTING ALL (emphasis) BANNED SUBSTANCES??

In any event, I'm not prepared to lay down in the mud with anyone on this topic but am truly grateful for the support that we're receiving AND also the criticism; good, bad or otherwise. Publicity is publicity...

Thanks again...

Respectfully,

Daryl Gazey
Director of Operations - WBFF
www.wbffshows.com
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[WBFF Daryl Gazey]

Sorry for such a long post earlier....on a side note, I support ALL bodybuilding and fitness organizations and highly encourage athletes to compete as much, as often and as frequently as they're able to with any organization...the reason being, that bodybuilding is NOT a lucrative sport. Yes I feel that a handful of individuals can make a substantial living as a result of their bodybuilding efforts and related endeavors but if we search the history of Canadian Federations vs their pros who have attained exemplary benefits, it's rather disappointing to say the least. Correct me if I'm overlooking anyone, but Dillett was one of the very few individuals to state claim to a six figure contract of any Canadian pros in the history of the sport.
Now if this is something that MUST change, then I don't know what is!

Rather than getting into little pissy-fit arguments about who's plugging themselves with sustanon or who's gargling with wheat grass, let's remind ourselves that our common objective is to exemplify our sport AND increase market appeal. With market appeal comes more competitors and thus more sponsors. With more sponsors comes better prizes and opportunities. The ball continues to roll and so on, so forth.... Why do pro athletes in ANY other sport make exorbitant incomes? The answer is simple....because they can!

Our effort is to change this and as you can see from our list of reputable sponsors (GNC, EAS, Budweiser, etc.) we are doing this and doing this well AND quickly. Is this worthy of negative criticism? More like the left foot kicking the right foot for what it's worth and then bitching when you can't walk properly.

Let's all take a deep breath and get the 'haters' away from the table for a second and realize that this IS a collaborative effort from ALL who love the sport for what it is. If not, we'll only bask in the limelight of a few...

The WBFF does not condone drug use and has never pointed the finger of blame at ANY athlete and the absence of testing is NOT a stance of promotion, merely an admission of what we need to realize. Testing is inadequate. Plain and simple. Love us or leave us.... For those who love us, we'll do our best and be honest and within approach. For those who don't, we also commend your decision and wish you the best in what you do; wherever you may choose to do it.

Daryl Gazey
WBFF Director of Operations
www.wbffshows.com



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[O-Train]

Doing something is always better than doing nothing. Otherwise they shouldn't bother testing at the Olympics either. I think it's great that the WBFF is trying to do a lot for the athletes. Although from what you wrote an IFBB pro could show up just because they felt like it and absolutely destroy everyone else on stage. If "Sean Summers" wants the fur coat (or whatever is being offered to the men) then all he has to do is show up, stirke a few poses and take it home. So it's all fine and good, but as I've said before. As a natural athlete I would not compete with the WBFF.

I have competed with the UFE and I hopefully will be doing so later this year. The drug testing is excellent and it is considerably more difficult to diet down for a show and still pass a drug test. So guys can try and beat the system but one of two things will probably happen: They'll test positive anyways (like more than a couple people already have). Or if they normally rely on drugs to help them diet they won't show up in shape. Go check the website Daryl, you know exactly what I'm talking about. It really isn't all that much more expensive either and there are cash and prizes just like WBFF, so the choice is obvious for me anyways. Waiting for perfect drug testing is a cop-out because it will never happen.

[WBFF Daryl Gazey]

I would challenge your statement by claiming that in fact it's quite easy to pass a urine test that wouldn't affect your dieting strategy at all. Keep in mind that this education exists to ALL who are willing to seek it. Do I find this reprehensible (competing at a 'natural' event while taking banned substances)...most definitely. But again, if you feel that it's 'better than nothing' so therefore, the problem doesn't exist, well you have your clear cut answer. I would encourage you to compete wherever you feel the right 'fit' is for you, for your physique and for your goals; which I'm sure you can appreciate, not everyone shares. Those people who choose to compete while using drugs and who are educated enough on how to pass these slim borders will unfortunately always exist. In my opinion I find this more of a hypocritical response, but again, it's an opinion that I sleep easy with knowing isn't shared by all. And yes, some of these 'big guys' that you mention can show up and may in fact take home some of the upscale prizes...isn't that what competition is about? I don't see anyone criticizing the Olympia in that same manner? It's this mentality that may keep bodybuilding relegated to its current state.

Best of luck in all of your competitive endeavors.

[O-Train]

I would challenge your statement by claiming that in fact it's quite easy to pass a urine test that wouldn't affect your dieting strategy at all. Keep in mind that this education exists to ALL who are willing to seek it. Do I find this reprehensible (competing at a 'natural' event while taking banned substances)...most definitely. But again, if you feel that it's 'better than nothing' so therefore, the problem doesn't exist, well you have your clear cut answer. I would encourage you to compete wherever you feel the right 'fit' is for you, for your physique and for your goals; which I'm sure you can appreciate, not everyone shares. Those people who choose to compete while using drugs and who are educated enough on how to pass these slim borders will unfortunately always exist. In my opinion I find this more of a hypocritical response, but again, it's an opinion that I sleep easy with knowing isn't shared by all. And yes, some of these 'big guys' that you mention can show up and may in fact take home some of the upscale prizes...isn't that what competition is about? I don't see anyone criticizing the Olympia in that same manner? It's this mentality that may keep bodybuilding relegated to its current state.

Best of luck in all of your competitive endeavors.

People don't criticize the Olympia because it is very clearly known that AAS is being used by all athletes. If you look at some of the posts even on this site you will see that it is not clear at all whether the WBFF promotes itself as a natural venue or otherwise. Lets make it very clear that the WBFF accepts all athletes regardless of prior or current drug use. So in my mind it is no different than the CBBF or IFBB or any non-tested event. If you agree with this then we have nothing else to talk about.

I like that the WBFF is around because most people will try to avoid drug tests if they can. If you really think they are so easy to beat than why do people regularly test positive: ufeshows.com/drug_testing.php
(scroll down to the bottom) Your federation is an excellent alternative for people who may otherwise compete against me.

[wbff]

There has recently been some unnecessary tension in our industry that needs to be addressed. In my decades of involvement in the fitness industry, I can assure you that I've seen my share of unjust behavior, opinions flying about (good and bad) and a great deal of subjectivity. One thing that I'm confident about is the knowledge that we're all in this together; regardless of your affiliation, your goals or your personal beliefs. Our objective is to further the sport of bodybuilding and fitness and reap as many rewards that it has to offer.

The place to air any indiscretion is not by firing it from a cannon in hopes that everyone will hear it and respond favorably. As some of you may see, this hasn't been the case recently with certain posts that have been circulating.

We, the WBFF, owe our support and gratitude to those who support our endeavors and who choose to travel on the same road that we share. In order for the fitness industry to continue to expand its horizons, this mentality should be maintained across the board. To engage in trivial bantering is counterproductive, belittling and unprofessional to say the least and only serves to harm those individuals of whom it is our intended goal of helping...the athletes.

I have faith in the WBFF brand and I have faith in the WBFF Team. We owe our present and continuing success not to one person but to every one of us; the athletes, the sponsors, the spectators, photographers, media and staff. We are not in this alone. I firmly believe that to be successful, you have to share in the success of others.

Having said this, I will continue to support other fitness and bodybuilding organizations that share our direction, that actively promote their participants and whose aim it is to raise the bar as we feel we are doing. Many of you have come to realize that I attend many of these fitness events with the UFE, IDFA, NPC, OPA and IFBB. I am and always will be an athlete first and a businessman second with my primary objective to give back to a sport that has given me the opportunities that I'm now able to share. I have experienced success and now my goal is to share this with as many people as I can and do the best job I'm able to in order to effect this. Once again, I am confident that I will continue with this success.

If you approve of what we're doing, we acknowledge this. If you disapprove of our intentions, we also want to hear your suggestions; good, bad or otherwise. We are still in our infancy and we realize that we are fallible to making mistakes and are aware that we will never be the only 'kid on the block'.

We see competition and the existence of other federations as a necessary element that will serve to keep us on our toes and continue to make the necessary adjustments to achieve those goals. We will never take for granted, or be too big for our britches to realize that we can be boastful, discriminate or unworthy.

We appreciate all of the positive feedback that we have recently received. I am thankful for what we do, who we are and what we share.

I will continue to deliver the best that I'm able to and once again thank you for your generosity. I look forward to seeing everyone in Calgary and then in September for our World Championships. You won't be disappointed.



Paul Dillett
President - World Bodybuilding & Fitness Federation
www.wbffshows.com

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[Maria]

Sure...there are a few at these links...
Body Proud (http://www.bodyproud.org/photo/album/listForOwner?screenName=1i1m0w50wcxut)
Ripped Academy (http://www.rippedacademy.com/jasoncpowell)
Optimum Nutrition (http://www.optimumnutrition.com/team.php?id=38)
and Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/jasoncpowell)

I've competed with WNSO, FAME, Body Proud, whatever you want to call them. Their drug testing is a joke. What do they call it....drug screening...where you line up in front of a panel of people and they look at you to determine if you're natural or not? You hold out your hands and flip them over and spread your fingers? What kind of testing is that? And the urine test is not IOC tested with no "A" and "B" samples.

I've won a pro card with them and won a pro show as well but the reason why I don't compete with them is because their drug testing isn't great either. May as well not have one. At least when I go into non drug tested shows I know what I am up against and I take my chances as a natural competitior.

I would have considered WBFF but they don't have Female Bodybuilding. They say they cater to the athletes...no they don't. They just want my money (which their shows aren't cheap) and tell me to compete in figure. I know where I would be placing because I'm too muscular for figure. Then they'd say thanks for coming out! No thanks.

[Sean Summers]

Great post O-Train. Let's face it...if you want a tested show do UFE, WNSO or OPA tested stream. Saying that you are not going to test because the tests can be beaten is BS and we all know it. Just look at UFE - 2 competitors just got popped. Can the drug test be beaten? Sure it can. But is that reason enough not to test. No, I don't think so. It's all about cash. Testing costs too much. The athletes won't look as good either. The WBFF is all about money and if they aren't presenting a good enough product people will go elsewhere. Check out the premier issue of WBFF's magazine - it's all about the models. Nothing about bodybuilders. Sure there are a few pics of bodybuilders but let's face facts it's a mag that showcases the models. I guess if you can't get the WBFF athletes exposure in other mags your best bet is to make your own. Oh and don't get me started on the lack of female bodybuilding classes - if that doesn't scream "We are all about money" then I don't know what does....
SS

[nii]

Maria, i swear to god, if you make me read one more year old thread before realizing its age, i will :beat:ne

[Knuckles28]

Who cares, you've missed alot of fun times in your life then.
Wow your a natty your so much better then all us druggies.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Since I created this new forum and moved all related stuff for it, it's easier to see things now. Her opinion on this stuff is valued as she competes at the World's in the natural events.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Who cares, you've missed alot of fun times in your life then.
Wow your a natty your so much better then all us druggies.

More than a few natty's on the forum now and more on the way.
Going to try to create an environment where we can coexist and respect each others choices.

[Knuckles28]

More than a few natty's on the forum now and more on the way.
Going to try to create an environment where we can coexist and respect each others choices.

Sounds good, hope it goes well. and good luck.

[physique]

I respect the fact you are willing to take a test of any kind at anytime, but asking athletes to sign a waiver allowing them to be tested is just crazy talk. Seriously one aspect that turns people off from natural bodybuilding is the goody two shoes people they portray and you`re a shinning star here stating that you never drank alcohol in your life. How is that even important? I hope you don`t decide to compete in the wbbf because budweiser is a sponser as you know. And distancing yourself from sponsors can`t cause good relations with the federation. I`d keep my mouth shut aboout that. That and the type of gay pics you naturals are known for. Like the pic posted here. Why the hell do you guys do that? Don`t give me any of that artistic crap either. You hoping some fag sees that and contacts you to do some private posing? Keep stiring shit up like how the sponsors are supporting steroid use, you will just be screwing yourself in the long run, no matter how good you are. Hell if they wanted to they could cause controversy saying you tested positive if they really wanted to. True or not. Either way good luck you you, you have a great physique but are trying tto win a battle that will never be won.

hate to break this to you jason. but optimum nutrition sponsors non tested shows too. so i guess u better give all the free supplements back that they give you for being a sponsored athlete each month.

again its choice what u do to your body and jonnyo thats a excellent post.

[Maria]

Maria, i swear to god, if you make me read one more year old thread before realizing its age, i will :beat:ne

Oops sorry nii. I never realized they were old. Just doing some reading. I'll look at the dates from now on. LOL

[Maria]

Who cares, you've missed alot of fun times in your life then.
Wow your a natty your so much better then all us druggies.

Not sure who you are directing this at but, I don't think I have missed out on anything. I don't think I'm better then anybody, natural or not. Who cares who uses, that's your choice. I don't have a problem with anyone using or not. For some of these federations who say they test, some of them don't. I just like to know up front if it's tested or not so I'm prepared to get spanked in a non drug tested show. LOL I like competition. :)

[Dryvrgrl]

Maria!! You HARDLY got spanked at Nationals this year! lol...

I have alot of respect for you Girl!!

Leigh and I are both Natural athletes also... Like you, she competes against girls who are not natural, and is ok with that... it's a matter of personal choice... however, if you are NOT natty... just stay home from the shows that promote natural athletes!! Us Natty's know what we're getting into in non tested shows!! We aren't "better" than you... just doing things different, respect that!

[Maria]

Maria!! You HARDLY got spanked at Nationals this year! lol...

I have alot of respect for you Girl!!

Leigh and I are both Natural athletes also... Like you, she competes against girls who are not natural, and is ok with that... it's a matter of personal choice... however, if you are NOT natty... just stay home from the shows that promote natural athletes!! Us Natty's know what we're getting into in non tested shows!! We aren't "better" than you... just doing things different, respect that!

Thanks Dryvrgrl! Ok this past year I didn't get spanked but I easily could have. LOL Hey, you never know who is going to show up!!! I'm okay with competing in both arenas, natural or not. I know if I'm in a natural show I have a good chance and if I'm not I may not have as good a chance and I'm accepting of it. Those girls look amazing on stage and to be able to hang with them is awesome. I find it challenging and the more girls the better.

Yup, I also agree with the point that we just do things different and not better then anyone else. :D

[Bbuilder31]

I have been accused of taking gear, and you know what I am flattered. If you think I am big enough to be considered being on it cool. I have the utmost respect for those who train - natural or otherwise. I am a Natural competitior and nothing gives me more pleasure than to walk out on stage and compete in a non - tested show and beat someone that has or is on gear. Regardless - you are in the gym and putting your time in. I am a natural competitior and when competing in a "Natural show" I would expect nothing but Natural competitors in it. If you are gear you don't belong in a Natural event - give us smaller guys a chance to make headway in this sport. That's my piece.

No mater if you are on gear or not - live by simple words - Go BIG or GO HOME!

Have a great day guys
Mike

[O-Train]

I have been accused of taking gear, and you know what I am flattered. If you think I am big enough to be considered being on it cool. I have the utmost respect for those who train - natural or otherwise. I am a Natural competitior and nothing gives me more pleasure than to walk out on stage and compete in a non - tested show and beat someone that has or is on gear. Regardless - you are in the gym and putting your time in. I am a natural competitior and when competing in a "Natural show" I would expect nothing but Natural competitors in it. If you are gear you don't belong in a Natural event - give us smaller guys a chance to make headway in this sport. That's my piece.

No mater if you are on gear or not - live by simple words - Go BIG or GO HOME!

Have a great day guys
Mike

You still planning on doing the Ontario Naturals?

[Bbuilder31]

That' s my plan man - September is the goal. I am sitting right now at around 196lbs - between 8 and 10 % bodyfat. I am happy with my weight right now and how lean I am. I am training like a freak right now trying to put on lean mass any way I can. I am reverting back to the old school way of training ie: Back and Bi's, Chest and Tri's etc....I am super setting and going heavy with almost every excercise and I am finding incredible results. I am loving it. Are you going to be checking out the Hamilton show?

[O-Train]

That' s my plan man - September is the goal. I am sitting right now at around 196lbs - between 8 and 10 % bodyfat. I am happy with my weight right now and how lean I am. I am training like a freak right now trying to put on lean mass any way I can. I am reverting back to the old school way of training ie: Back and Bi's, Chest and Tri's etc....I am super setting and going heavy with almost every excercise and I am finding incredible results. I am loving it. Are you going to be checking out the Hamilton show?

I might be there. Not sure yet. It will depend on how things work out once baby #2 comes. If I can't make the time to train and diet down to where I'm happy I won't compete.

[Bbuilder31]

Yeah we haven't started the baby making yet, however we are definately practicing on a regular basis hahaha....soon though - we just bought a house and deal was, that once the house was bought, we start having some kiddies :) My idea - as I have always wanted to be a father.