Your magic dose?

[Drummer]

I seem to hit a sweet spot in my test/deca dosing that allows awsome gains, fast recovery and little sides. About 900mg test e and 600mg deca a week with proper diet, rest and training and it seems like the sky is the limit. Ive used tren, npp, primo, prop, cyp, bunch of orals, etc before but this simple stack at these doses is the best bulker for me.

Anyone find a magic dose for their bulker/cutter cycle?

~D~

[canadianmuscle0803]

1,200mg test, 600mg tren E/wek.

[tiramisu]

... all else being equal more is better than less.

For me sides seem to be more about the change in dosage than the total dosage.

[canadianmuscle0803]

... all else being equal more is better than less.

For me sides seem to be more about the change in dosage than the total dosage.

what the hell are you talking about????

[tex]

my sweet spot is 100mg of test suspension ed........but the twice daily injects is always my downfall and i dont make it past 2-3 weeks.......i think this time i am just gonna pulse 100mg before workouts and see how she goes.....

[Big D]

mine is 1600mg/test a week and 400mg tren/week, felt great.

[INked]

1,200mg test, 600mg tren E/wek.works for me!

[Solo59]

Guess I'm a small timer, but 800 Test e and 600 EQ weekly is the magic number, but it gets more magic with the addition of only 200 Tren e.

Solo

[wolverine]

For bulking I prefer 1000 test-e and 600 EQ

cutting = 500 prop
500 masteron
400 tren ace

[canadianmuscle0803]

For bulking I prefer 1000 test-e and 600 EQ

cutting = 500 prop
500 masteron
400 tren ace

you should always use more test while cutting to prevent muscle loss on a low calorie diet.

[tiramisu]

what the hell are you talking about????

The only side I have that I am aware of is acne. Not a terrible surprise as I had it pretty bad in adolescense. If I increase or decrease my dosage a little bit at a time rather than starting or stopping all at once acne flare ups are significantly reduced.

It is my contention that to great extent the bodies reaction to the hormones in terms of some side effects is as much to the CHANGE in hormone level as it is the TOTAL AMOUNT of hormones in the system.

[canadianmuscle0803]

The only side I have that I am aware of is acne. Not a terrible surprise as I had it pretty bad in adolescense. If I increase or decrease my dosage a little bit at a time rather than starting or stopping all at once acne flare ups are significantly reduced.

It is my contention that to great extent the bodies reaction to the hormones in terms of some side effects is as much to the CHANGE in hormone level as it is the TOTAL AMOUNT of hormones in the system.

the fluctuation of hormones is what is causing your acne, so to a degree your theory makes sense as the jump is not as severe if your start off with a the highest dose, but ramping up in my opinion would cause acne to be present for a longer period of time because your blood does not stabilize as fast due to the constant change in hormone levels.. does that make sense?

[Drummer]

Nice answers... ive stayed away from tren for a while cause i got shut down real hard from it, took like 8 months to get back to normal. I didnt know nearly what i know now, so i may just play with it again... If i do it will look something like 1000mg test e and 500mg tren e for 16 weeks, 100iu HCG ED for the duration of cycle, nolva/aromasin PCT 6 weeks. Im loving the deca tho, helps my joints - dont like the acne!

And as for the above posts on fluctuations, yes, absolutely you feel sides more intensly if your levels are up and down. I even go e3d with test e even tho i dont have to, but my sides are very minimal as a result. When i took short esters before, and didnt take care to shoot evenly, the sides were the worst.

Anyway, good answers so far - gives people an idea of what other ppl are doing succesfully. Keep em coming!

~D~

[canadianmuscle0803]

no matter which compound i use, i always inject EOD, unless im doing acetate/pro, then ED.

[Drummer]

no matter which compound i use, i always inject EOD, unless im doing acetate/pro, then ED.

My thoughts exactly. Awsome stability, very little sides, and great, steady gains (with all things done right). Couldnt agree more :a+

[Iwant2Grow]

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[canadianmuscle0803]

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great post. :a+

[Iwant2Grow]

just subscribing to the thread smart ass


great post. :a+

[dan12]

so far it seems the higher the better for me. But I have not gotten into anything crazy as far as doses are concerned. Right now i doing
test c-900 ew
tren ace-500ew
and the only side effect is shrinkage right now lol.

[spinalcolum]

LOL,,I dont know how you guys can possibly handle a gram+ test/ week. If I do anything over 500mg test / week,, i cant get my mind off sex..Turns me into a total freak.

[Drummer]

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i see you post this kind of thing here and there... why?

[Drummer]

just subscribing to the thread smart ass

oh, theres the reason. never thought of that!

[Drummer]

LOL,,I dont know how you guys can possibly handle a gram+ test/ week. If I do anything over 500mg test / week,, i cant get my mind off sex..Turns me into a total freak.

most would consider that fine, not a bad side. Mostly water, acne, blood pressure, headaches, bad cramps, etc are the bad sides. A gram a week isnt really all that high. Its getting there, but not insane by any means for someone over 200lbs.

~D~

[tex]

most would consider that fine, not a bad side. Mostly water, acne, blood pressure, headaches, bad cramps, etc are the bad sides. A gram a week isnt really all that high. Its getting there, but not insane by any means for someone over 200lbs.

~D~ i agree....the nympho, sex addict feeling is welcome!

[Houstonbc]

1200mg test
900mg eq

[spinalcolum]

most would consider that fine, not a bad side. Mostly water, acne, blood pressure, headaches, bad cramps, etc are the bad sides. A gram a week isnt really all that high. Its getting there, but not insane by any means for someone over 200lbs.

~D~

Dont get me wrong,,I LOVE the libido aspect of test. I just have a hard time imagining what I'd be like if a doubled the dose.

[juice555]

I would have posted 750mg Cyp/week, 50 TrenA/ED, 400mg Deca/week.
I just learned since being on TRT @200mg Cyp/week, supplemented by 200mg Deca/week (for my joints) that less is better for me. I've broken all my records by a significant amount. i have about 20 years training and 10 cycles experience.

[spinalcolum]

I would have posted 750mg Cyp/week, 50 TrenA/ED, 400mg Deca/week.
I just learned since being on TRT @200mg Cyp/week, supplemented by 200mg Deca/week (for my joints) that less is better for me. I've broken all my records by a significant amount. i have about 20 years training and 10 cycles experience.

What does TRT mean?
you are getting better muscle growth off your smaller dosage?

[guest]

.5cc cyp + .5cc mast EOD with 10mg winny ED had me looking and feeling better than ever.

[thecivilizedanimal]

you mean tnt ?

[gustavo77]

What does TRT mean?
you are getting better muscle growth off your smaller dosage?

TRT means testosterone replacement therapy...the proper terminology or acronym is HRT or hormone replacement therapy but whatever...

[gustavo77]

The best gains i ever had were from 750mg of HG test, 300mg of BD tren hex per week and 40mg of BD d-bol per day....got up to 278lbs at 12% BF...that was a couple of years ago though and i am older now and cannot seem to tolerate the tren anymore.

[Drummer]

The best gains i ever had were from 750mg of HG test, 300mg of BD tren hex per week and 40mg of BD d-bol per day....got up to 278lbs at 12% BF...that was a couple of years ago though and i am older now and cannot seem to tolerate the tren anymore.


Yea tren gets me too... but you must have some good genetics to get that kind of kick out of that dose. Quality of your stuff was prolly top notch too.

~D~

[ironwill]

the best ive had thus far is my present, also my highest dose thus far....
200mg prop eod
30 mg var ed
100 mgs of mast eod
just put 25 mg winny ed this week as well...

full and vascular / holding and even gaining muscle as i am dieting down.
staying at 230 lbs and dropped a whack of fat..

for bulking,
600 mgs of test enanth/wk
300 mg npp/wk
30 mgs dbol/day
3 ius slin each am 2 weeks on 1 week off
took me to 278 lbs and about 15 percent bf...

[juice555]

What does TRT mean?
you are getting better muscle growth off your smaller dosage?

Yes, as Gus said, its Testosterone Replacement Theropy. I wasnt aware it is improper terminology. Anyway, I meant the doc put me on 200mg/week. I'd say Im at least see the same growth, if not better. I gained 12lbs over my best without even trying at about 25% of what I used last year. Last year I could not break my maximum no matter what I tried. This year it was effortless.
I'm sure I could get stronger, and leaner if I took alot more... but its not worth it to me. Why take 75% more to achieve 10% more gains?

[Drummer]

Yes, as Gus said, its Testosterone Replacement Theropy. I wasnt aware it is improper terminology. Anyway, I meant the doc put me on 200mg/week. I'd say Im at least see the same growth, if not better. I gained 12lbs over my best without even trying at about 25% of what I used last year. Last year I could not break my maximum no matter what I tried. This year it was effortless.
I'm sure I could get stronger, and leaner if I took alot more... but its not worth it to me. Why take 75% more to achieve 10% more gains?

maybe cause your gear is human grade now or was it always?

[gustavo77]

Yea tren gets me too... but you must have some good genetics to get that kind of kick out of that dose. Quality of your stuff was prolly top notch too.

~D~

I gained about 15lbs on that cycle...it was my second cycle. I was 31, almost 32 when i did my first cycle, gained 17lbs on 500mg of test E for 12 weeks and 50mg of t-bol for 5 weeks...I started BB'ding at 26, i weighed about 215lbs... got to 255lbs at 31 naturally...so i was well over 250lbs when i started my first cycle...

[BAM]

You shouldn't have to shoot every other day with 'legit' long ester. Why not just buy cheap prop if you are doing that?

[canadianmuscle0803]

You shouldn't have to shoot every other day with 'legit' long ester. Why not just by cheap prop if you are doing that?

blood levels remain more stable with any ester if injected EOD, short esters like prop, ace, suspension should be done daily IMO.

[Drummer]

I gained about 15lbs on that cycle...it was my second cycle. I was 31, almost 32 when i did my first cycle, gained 17lbs on 500mg of test E for 12 weeks and 50mg of t-bol for 5 weeks...I started BB'ding at 26, i weighed about 215lbs... got to 255lbs at 31 naturally...so i was well over 250lbs when i started my first cycle...

Well damn, your a big dude to begin with... im jealous

[juice555]

maybe cause your gear is human grade now or was it always?

havent been on HG for a decade or more.
i actually am not using the doc's stuff right now. but still using 200mg per week. so thats not it.

finally reached my goal of 225lbs today. i gained 21lbs this cycle and have no freaking idea how i did it. I havent put that kind of weight on in since I was much younger and smaller. Another cycle like this, and I can compete.

[Drummer]

havent been on HG for a decade or more.
i actually am not using the doc's stuff right now. but still using 200mg per week. so thats not it.

finally reached my goal of 225lbs today. i gained 21lbs this cycle and have no freaking idea how i did it. I havent put that kind of weight on in since I was much younger and smaller. Another cycle like this, and I can compete.

Wow nice. Wish we could all see those kinds of gains at that dose.

[SmallieBigs]

ya, no kidding... impressive... maybe most of us could....?

[gustavo77]

havent been on HG for a decade or more.
i actually am not using the doc's stuff right now. but still using 200mg per week. so thats not it.

finally reached my goal of 225lbs today. i gained 21lbs this cycle and have no freaking idea how i did it. I havent put that kind of weight on in since I was much younger and smaller. Another cycle like this, and I can compete.

I know what it is...it's that fake hygetropin you are using...hahaha...

[varking]

Very nice my fav is the test e 600mg and eq 600mg per week works great for me

[quebecbulk]

150mg prop/ed
50mg tren base/ed

powerfull and hard!

[Drummer]

150mg prop/ed
50mg tren base/ed

powerfull and hard!

a very nice cycle indeed

[JoeDiggX]

1,200mg test, 600mg tren E/wek.

I know a horse that uses that exact dose ... "Mind that Bird" ...

In all seriousness, test gets real good at 1600+ per week nothing else ... Did this back in '02 ... loved it ... and it was the Chinaman's rubber jug stuff too ... oh the pain I remember the pain ... AHHH!

But you gotta work your way up to that kinda dose, be lean to begin with and watch the bp/diet/sodium intake/triglyceride and cholesterol levels/ ya da ya da ...

If you're training and eating right you know how your body is and you know when something isn't right and at that dose of test when you got ALL your shit together ... EVERYTHING is right!

[Solo59]

Very nice my fav is the test e 600mg and eq 600mg per week works great for me

Yep, that's the reliable standard for anyone, say, over 6' or 200 lbs (unless you're just bulk-crazy).

Solo

[Solo59]

You shouldn't have to shoot every other day with 'legit' long ester.

Absolutely right. Results speak for themselves. However, if you're doing as many cc's as some of these guys, it just may be more convenient to spread all that oil out.

Solo

[Drummer]

Absolutely right. Results speak for themselves. However, if you're doing as many cc's as some of these guys, it just may be more convenient to spread all that oil out.

Solo

my thoughts exactly

[juice555]

I know what it is...it's that fake hygetropin you are using...hahaha...

Shhhhhh. Dont let the cat out of the bag.:beer

[Solo59]

LOL,,I dont know how you guys can possibly handle a gram+ test/ week. If I do anything over 500mg test / week,, i cant get my mind off sex..Turns me into a total freak.

Doesn't work that way. Libido maxes out or receptors become saturated up there, so more does not necessarily equal greater sex drive.

Solo