lol still no pct

[thecivilizedanimal]

so i'm only a week in and still trying to figure out my pct,

i'm doing 700mg tren wk ed
roughly 600-900mg test mix a week, ( did a bit of frontloading but prob drop the test low to about 600 mg wk )

i have been trying to get my hands on caber but it seems hard to find, i used nolva and clomid last time around ( tren/test ) , very little . i dont think i have any left so i figured i'd buy more.

now i wasn't really worried to much about the nolva as i've heard its not the best with tren, but if i an't get caber,

should i just go with clomid and letro with possibly some small amount of nolva ,

i'm not worriued about my boys too much ( not enough to run hcg through out the cycle ) but should i get some ? do i need it ? really ?

comments....suggestions, help me nail it down

also i was thinking of bridging with hgh through till the next cycle ( maybe cutting with some clen or lipex or something ) ,

would the hgh help out enough during pct to warrant me getting it , or wait it out a bit ?

[Solo59]

so i'm only a week in and still trying to figure out my pct,
You must know it's a bad idea to begin a cycle w/o PCT in place.


i'm doing 700mg tren wk ed
roughly 600-900mg test mix a week, ( did a bit of frontloading but prob drop the test low to about 600 mg wk )

i have been trying to get my hands on caber but it seems hard to find,
It's probably nearer than you think. Call it Dostinex and it may come up more quickly.


i used nolva and clomid last time around ( tren/test ) , very little . i dont think i have any left so i figured i'd buy more.
If you plan an actual PCT, I think you'd better do so (at least Nolva).


now i wasn't really worried to much about the nolva as i've heard its not the best with tren,
It helps recover your HPTA from Tren as much as anything else, and you're also doing a lot of Test don't forget.


but if i an't get caber, should i just go with clomid and letro with possibly some small amount of nolva
You'll do whatever you want, it sounds like, but cabergoline won't help with HPTA recovery. Proper use of Clomid and/or Nolvadex will. Letro kills estrogen, so is not a good choice for PCT. Aromasin or nothing is better.


i'm not worriued about my boys too much ( not enough to run hcg through out the cycle ) but should i get some ? do i need it ?
If you don't care about your nuts, probably not. The theory is, however, that HCG helps get the "T" part of the HPTA going before you begin your SERM PCT to get the "H" and "P" going again too, so it may speed things up. Up to you, naturally.


also i was thinking of bridging with hgh through till the next cycle ( maybe cutting with some clen or lipex or something ) ,

would the hgh help out enough during pct to warrant me getting it , or wait it out a bit ?
Good hGH definitely helps retain gains but it is in no way an AAS "bridge". You usually need to run it for at least 3 months to see the positive effects, so many of us begin it before an AAS cycle. It does not help PCT (the recovery of your HPTA), per se, though it does, as I say, support your muscular development and general lean growth.

I'm surprised that someone with so many posts is still working so much in the dark. Use what you've learned, guy, and make your informed choices.

Solo

[monkey]

Wow Solo, I am surpised that you took the time to respond in that much detail. After reading about his dosages and the fact that he has no Caber on hand and no PCT, I simply shook my head and closed this...
It almost is like a joke or so since 15 minutes of reasearch should have given him 5X more knowledge than what he currently has.

I am kinda speachless, lol

[tex]

what solo said. pct needs to be thorough with this cycle as you will not recover from 700mg of tren a week with no pct. pct should be hcg and aromasin (25mg/day) for 2 weeks leading into clomid @ 100mg/day for the next 4 weeks....continue the aromasin at 25mg/day until the end of pct.....thats what i'd do if i wanted to keep my gains and to get back to "normal"

[Dk]

Not sure how it affected you in the past.

But is 700mg of tren and only 600mg of test gonna effect your libido at all?


600 test and only 400 tren affects me. Im hoarny as hell, but maybe 1:15 times its hard to get completely hard, or keep it, especially with a condom

[thecivilizedanimal]

i have the nolva and clomid already, i could run the same pct as last cycle, which i didnt seem to need anyways,

i was wondering if there were things that would benefit me fuller.

just because i dont have a precise plan for my pct this time around doesnt mean i can't just do what i did last time ( where my tren and test dosages were simmilar )

[gustavo77]

To me HCG is indispensable in any cycle....tren is uber suppressive, so HCG would benefit you greatly during your cycle and up to pct.

For pct, this is what i do and it's been the best pct by far for me.

1-3 clomid 100mg/day
1-5 Aromasin 25mg/day

[thecivilizedanimal]

Not sure how it affected you in the past.

But is 700mg of tren and only 600mg of test gonna effect your libido at all?


600 test and only 400 tren affects me. Im hoarny as hell, but maybe 1:15 times its hard to get completely hard, or keep it, especially with a condom

yeah i had that today, the girl almost broke my dick, it made that crunch sound.

i was wondering about that too, but as both partners i can be condom free ) ( though dont as i really really dont want one to have kids as that has been an issue with us lol )

but i dont want to have the issue of my libido being higher then it already is, or having hard on's way to often.

though i didnt mention it , aromasin is one thing i was considering after reading a few of your posts gus.

would hcg really be that beneficial if i'm considering neutering the boys in the future anyways ?

[gustavo77]

would hcg really be that beneficial if i'm considering neutering the boys in the future anyways ?

Nope...lol...that;s of course if you are positive...if you are still considering children, HCG is very important.

[thecivilizedanimal]

Nope...lol...that;s of course if you are positive...if you are still considering children, HCG is very important.

lol i have an 8 year old daughter in england and a 5 year old son here, i think i'm good. lol

and the ex got preggers after my last cycle, so everything seems too work all to well,

[canadianmuscle0803]

drop the tren dose dude.. and up the test.. 700mg of tren a week? are you doing a show?

[Drummer]

so i'm only a week in and still trying to figure out my pct,

i'm doing 700mg tren wk ed
roughly 600-900mg test mix a week, ( did a bit of frontloading but prob drop the test low to about 600 mg wk )

i have been trying to get my hands on caber but it seems hard to find, i used nolva and clomid last time around ( tren/test ) , very little . i dont think i have any left so i figured i'd buy more.

now i wasn't really worried to much about the nolva as i've heard its not the best with tren, but if i an't get caber,

should i just go with clomid and letro with possibly some small amount of nolva ,

i'm not worriued about my boys too much ( not enough to run hcg through out the cycle ) but should i get some ? do i need it ? really ?

comments....suggestions, help me nail it down

also i was thinking of bridging with hgh through till the next cycle ( maybe cutting with some clen or lipex or something ) ,

would the hgh help out enough during pct to warrant me getting it , or wait it out a bit ?

- do you need the caber or anything while cycling this stack? Unless you have symptoms, dont bother.
- ever use tren before? at that dose, your very likely to get shut down hard. I would use hcg at 200iu EOD while cycling that to help prevent a crash and speed recovery.
- a good combination is a serm, an AI, and hcg for a faster recovery. Nolva, aromasin, hcg for me. run properly. unless your the 1 in a million guy who doesnt get shutdown and recovers naturally quickly, id do pct after tren use.
- always have this planned out and purchased before you start your cycle.
- you prolly dont need that much tren. 500 tren 800 test is very good.

~D~

[thecivilizedanimal]

you think more test less tren ?

[canadianmuscle0803]

you think more test less tren ?

absolutely.