TEST E CYCLE QUESTION!

[aly786]

hey guys...well here are my stats first...

25
226lbs
6'3
gym exp: 6+ years

I Just started a cycle of Test E for 10 weeks at 500mg/wk (pinning twice a week) i am currently on week 1 heading into my 3rd shot on sunday...wanted to know what would be good to take for the last 4 weeks of my cycle in terms of orals... i have winni and anavar...im basically looking for the cut look rather then bulk...my diet is dead on and i do tons of cardio, just need to knwo which would be better to take, thanks!

[tex]

just run the test and keep your diet clean....buuuut i know you are gonna run an oral anyways cuz thats the way it goes! so you need to run var longer than 4 weeks imo......but i am not a fan of winny.....if you have enough var I would run it for the last 8 weeks of the cycle and right up until pct....@ your weight you'll want at least 40mg/day......enjoy it, good luck and get bloodwork done!!!

[tiramisu]

You are 6'3", 226 and cutting but have been lifting for 6 years.

Can you tell me what is wrong with this picture?
At 6'3" if you aren't already in the single digits in BF @ 226 you need to add muscle.

If you've been lifting for 6 years
a) you've been doing it wrong or
b) eating wrong.

if a) review Rippetoe's Starting Strength program 10 times
if b) Eat enough calories to maintain your weight and then add a gallon of milk a day (gomad) for the next 6 months.

This should have you thinking about 12 months @ 275, 6'3", 12-15% bodyfat and saying I'd like to cut down to 8% at 230'ish. At that point try a palumbo type diet with your test and anavar.

Cutting down under 200 at 6'3 can't help but make you look like a starvation victim.

[aly786]

You are 6'3", 226 and cutting but have been lifting for 6 years.

Can you tell me what is wrong with this picture?
At 6'3" if you aren't already in the single digits in BF @ 226 you need to add muscle.

If you've been lifting for 6 years
a) you've been doing it wrong or
b) eating wrong.

if a) review Rippetoe's Starting Strength program 10 times
if b) Eat enough calories to maintain your weight and then add a gallon of milk a day (gomad) for the next 6 months.

This should have you thinking about 12 months @ 275, 6'3", 12-15% bodyfat and saying I'd like to cut down to 8% at 230'ish. At that point try a palumbo type diet with your test and anavar.

Cutting down under 200 at 6'3 can't help but make you look like a starvation victim.

ok sorry let me rephrase, by the time my test E cycle is done, i dont want to have that water weight there as i have a competition to attend about 2 weeks after my cycle, so will winnie or anavar help shed that excess water weight giving me a better defined look

[mersanary]

ok sorry let me rephrase, by the time my test E cycle is done, i dont want to have that water weight there as i have a competition to attend about 2 weeks after my cycle, so will winnie or anavar help shed that excess water weight giving me a better defined look

Use an AI throughout your cycle such as arimidex or aromasin to keep bloating down. Winnie can help you achieve a "dry" look. Anavar eats away a small amount of fat in your midsection and gives you a bit of a pump. I think winnie is best for yours goals but an Ai is even better at taking away estrogen related bloating.

[tiramisu]

Much of the bloat on test is diet related. If you avoid salt and carbs you won't have much in the way of water retention on 500 mg/week. adex eod is something worth considering although again it maybe overkill with 500 mg/week.

Making weight for tournament is a different question and it's pretty important to know when the weigh in is. i.e. Day of, Day Before?

[aly786]

Much of the bloat on test is diet related. If you avoid salt and carbs you won't have much in the way of water retention on 500 mg/week. adex eod is something worth considering although again it maybe overkill with 500 mg/week.

Making weight for tournament is a different question and it's pretty important to know when the weigh in is. i.e. Day of, Day Before?

hey, its actually just a small competition nothing big but its part of a weekened festival out in toronto, all i want is a bit of the dry look, some mid section fat cut down (my diet and cardio are good) and just gain some lean muscle

[aly786]

Use an AI throughout your cycle such as arimidex or aromasin to keep bloating down. Winnie can help you achieve a "dry" look. Anavar eats away a small amount of fat in your midsection and gives you a bit of a pump. I think winnie is best for yours goals but an Ai is even better at taking away estrogen related bloating.

does winnie kill ur libido?

[nitrous]

You are 6'3", 226 and cutting but have been lifting for 6 years.

Can you tell me what is wrong with this picture?
At 6'3" if you aren't already in the single digits in BF @ 226 you need to add muscle.

If you've been lifting for 6 years
a) you've been doing it wrong or
b) eating wrong.

if a) review Rippetoe's Starting Strength program 10 times
if b) Eat enough calories to maintain your weight and then add a gallon of milk a day (gomad) for the next 6 months.

This should have you thinking about 12 months @ 275, 6'3", 12-15% bodyfat and saying I'd like to cut down to 8% at 230'ish. At that point try a palumbo type diet with your test and anavar.

Cutting down under 200 at 6'3 can't help but make you look like a starvation victim.

i have to say the gallon of milk a day i completely disagree with.. milk is horrible for bodybuilders

[waderow]

milk builds a lot of muscle, and I have one big glass a day with my morning whey shake. Cutting hardcore? water...

[nitrous]

milk builds a lot of muscle, and I have one big glass a day with my morning whey shake. Cutting hardcore? water...

how do you figure? i talked to an ifbb pro about it and he completely disagrees.. i have notes on it but not with me..

[nitrous]

http://www.rense.com/general26/milk.htm

There's a reason why the vast majority on this planet are lactose intolerant

[tiramisu]

If you aren't lactose intolerant a gallon of milk a day works amazingly well and has always worked amazingly well.

Good excess calories and an almost perfect macro distribution plus cheap and easily digestible by most. I'm generally a 3 litre a day guy when I maxing out my calories but that's because I'm old. In my youth the fourth would have definitely been required.

[Dk]

shit i drink at leeeast 2-3 litres of milk a day

[tex]

^^ same....i love milk.....

[wan2lrn]

To me, that seems like a lot of milk. Are you guys drinking it skimmed, 1%, 2% or homo.

[tiramisu]

In the winter I like whole milk. In the summer whey isolate. If you are trying to put weight on there is absolutely nothing wrong with calories.

[Solo59]

Adex and later Var: Some good advice here for lean muscle building.

And low-fat milk with a low-carb whey protein mix is a definite bodybuilding asset (if you're not lactose-intolerant!).

Solo

[Drummer]

hey guys...well here are my stats first...

25
226lbs
6'3
gym exp: 6+ years

I Just started a cycle of Test E for 10 weeks at 500mg/wk (pinning twice a week) i am currently on week 1 heading into my 3rd shot on sunday...wanted to know what would be good to take for the last 4 weeks of my cycle in terms of orals... i have winni and anavar...im basically looking for the cut look rather then bulk...my diet is dead on and i do tons of cardio, just need to knwo which would be better to take, thanks!

Winni might show more results but bad on joints. Var is very mild, but little to no sides. If you really want to cut up, you may consider and AI (low dose arimidex perhaps) while cycling to keep off the water. Test E will make you hold some.

~D~

[Dk]

To me, that seems like a lot of milk. Are you guys drinking it skimmed, 1%, 2% or homo.

usually 2%

[Drummer]

shit i drink at leeeast 2-3 litres of milk a day

i drink 1.5 litres a day easy. Skim.

[Skyblob]

i have to say the gallon of milk a day i completely disagree with.. milk is horrible for bodybuilders

Excuse me buddy but i must say your wrong with this point. Milk imho is the best source of protein im taking, before meat, fish and chicken. Im 18, now your probably saying pff a 18 years old talking and thinks he knows everything. But the fact is maybe im only 18, but i have a big 230pounds with 16% BF and 5ft9. I could down it in single digits if i watched the fats im eating and adding some cardio, thats what im going to do in 1 week. But all this to say milk is what helped me to pack all those muscles in 2 years. Ive started at 137 pounds. I drink 1 liter of milk per day, skim milk. So , what i say, with my experience, drink milk all the way with your meals.

[Skyblob]

Winni might show more results but bad on joints. Var is very mild, but little to no sides. If you really want to cut up, you may consider and AI (low dose arimidex perhaps) while cycling to keep off the water. Test E will make you hold some.

~D~

^^ 2nd this,, but var imo is too expensive for the low results it will give. Just dont use any orals and stick up to your test with some adex like 0.5mg-1mg EOD during cycle with 25mg aromasin pct for 4 weeks with nolvadex. People using 30000 compounds with incredible high doses too early seems to stop growing in a very close future. Many guys at my gym are not that big, some are smaller than me and they are using gear all year long , but doing tribulus as pct . lol. Just keep your diet checked. WHat will test mainly do is keeping your muscle away of being catabolised during your diet. If you add calories then you will add some muscles. Keep fats and carbs down. Id stick to PWO carbs like Dextrose and maybe oatmeal in the morning. Thats what ill do! Goodluck :)

[nitrous]

Excuse me buddy but i must say your wrong with this point. Milk imho is the best source of protein im taking, before meat, fish and chicken. Im 18, now your probably saying pff a 18 years old talking and thinks he knows everything. But the fact is maybe im only 18, but i have a big 230pounds with 16% BF and 5ft9. I could down it in single digits if i watched the fats im eating and adding some cardio, thats what im going to do in 1 week. But all this to say milk is what helped me to pack all those muscles in 2 years. Ive started at 137 pounds. I drink 1 liter of milk per day, skim milk. So , what i say, with my experience, drink milk all the way with your meals.

yes the ifbb pro that i talked to about it that said he wouldnt even give milk to his enemies must be on crack lol

[nitrous]

Excuse me buddy but i must say your wrong with this point. Milk imho is the best source of protein im taking, before meat, fish and chicken. Im 18, now your probably saying pff a 18 years old talking and thinks he knows everything. But the fact is maybe im only 18, but i have a big 230pounds with 16% BF and 5ft9. I could down it in single digits if i watched the fats im eating and adding some cardio, thats what im going to do in 1 week. But all this to say milk is what helped me to pack all those muscles in 2 years. Ive started at 137 pounds. I drink 1 liter of milk per day, skim milk. So , what i say, with my experience, drink milk all the way with your meals.

also i'd like to point out that anything above 15% bf and a persons body has a tough time putting on muscle.. i'd lower it:D

[nitrous]

here's another link i'll add to my previous one:

http://www.milksucks.com/index2.asp

triple posting for the win

[nitrous]

^^ 2nd this,, but var imo is too expensive for the low results it will give. Just dont use any orals and stick up to your test with some adex like 0.5mg-1mg EOD during cycle with 25mg aromasin pct for 4 weeks with nolvadex. People using 30000 compounds with incredible high doses too early seems to stop growing in a very close future. Many guys at my gym are not that big, some are smaller than me and they are using gear all year long , but doing tribulus as pct . lol. Just keep your diet checked. WHat will test mainly do is keeping your muscle away of being catabolised during your diet. If you add calories then you will add some muscles. Keep fats and carbs down. Id stick to PWO carbs like Dextrose and maybe oatmeal in the morning. Thats what ill do! Goodluck :)

i'd like to point out another problem.. aromasin and nolvadex have been proven to have issues together..

and i dont think adex is needed EOD unless they are taking 1g+ of test EW unless it begins to be an issue.. but to each their own on this one

[Drummer]

milk is fine for some people and not others. It depends on how well your body can digest it. If it werent for all the hormones and BS in just about everything we eat, many things would be much better for us than they are. If you think your safe cause "something i read said milk is bad" and you eat chicken breast all day, your quite mistaken. Almost anywhere you turn, your food supply is tainted in some way. Besides, we are injecting mostly underground AAS, and you want to worry about milk?? lol.

~D~

[Skyblob]

i'd like to point out another problem.. aromasin and nolvadex have been proven to have issues together..

and i dont think adex is needed EOD unless they are taking 1g+ of test EW unless it begins to be an issue.. but to each their own on this one

Nope buddy, the fact is Arimidex and Nolvadex have issues togather. Aromasin has no issues with nolvadex. Go on astra zeneca website you will see!

[Skyblob]

also i'd like to point out that anything above 15% bf and a persons body has a tough time putting on muscle.. i'd lower it:D

Well bro i have no problem of putting on muscle. And only reason ill lower it is too se more my results and for this summer cut. Idk where you got taht info but imho its totaly nonsense. No probs packing muscles here. I was at 12% once and was growing as fast. Now im growing slower because im heavier in (lean musclemass ) . Please prove your research. But in my own experience, what youve said isnt true.

[nitrous]

Well bro i have no problem of putting on muscle. And only reason ill lower it is too se more my results and for this summer cut. Idk where you got taht info but imho its totaly nonsense. No probs packing muscles here. I was at 12% once and was growing as fast. Now im growing slower because im heavier in (lean musclemass ) . Please prove your research. But in my own experience, what youve said isnt true.

Over 14 % body fat it makes putting on muscle much harder. Higher estrogen levels, slower thyroid function. So when you lean down from being fat your test levels raise, thyroid function works better.. the fatter you are the more insulin you excrete, so that just makes you fatter..

thats just touching the surface..

- higher estrogen also means increased SHBG (more of the test left gets binded by SHBG reducing free tetosterone)
- A reduced effectiveness of the testosterone replacement therapy
due to excess aromatization of testosterone medications to estrogen
- Long-term health risks including an increased risk of diabetes,
heart disease, and some cancers

sources are sited on this link:
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/149981.html


you may be right on the asin and nolva i dont have time to research it right now

[Drummer]

i'd like to point out another problem.. aromasin and nolvadex have been proven to have issues together..

and i dont think adex is needed EOD unless they are taking 1g+ of test EW unless it begins to be an issue.. but to each their own on this one

Arimidex has issues with nolva, nolva lowers its effectiveness by a lot. Aro is supposed to be a better choice. As for saying having above 15% BF is a big issue with putting on muscle, i would think that youd have to be higher than that for all the mentioned factors to be a problem. The things you mention are correct, the shbc, estrogen and all that, but it will be very different from person to person. Blanket statement never apply.

~D~

[Skyblob]

Well for me i have no problem of putting on muscles and I have no estrogene issues, test is as high as when i was 15-16. Note that im only 18. Your statements looks true but i dont think it applies on my case.

[tiramisu]

I'm sensing an arm chair quarterback.

[nitrous]

Well for me i have no problem of putting on muscles and I have no estrogene issues, test is as high as when i was 15-16. Note that im only 18. Your statements looks true but i dont think it applies on my case.

only way to find out for sure would to be getting regular blood tests

[Drummer]

I'm sensing an arm chair quarterback.

lol who would that be? ;)