$500,000 bursary for non-native students declined.

[guest]

what goes up must come down. i wonder if we will be seeing more of this attitude towards such issues. i hope so.



http://www.theprovince.com/News/Pair+planned+give+bursary+native+students/1591064/story.html

[physique]

its private money, they should be able to give it to whoever they want to.

and yes i too think natives get to much of a free ride in canada. sorry if that pisses anyone off on this board. some take full advantage of it, but most dont.

[cdnsoldier]

Even if they did approve it no white person who deserves it would get it. It would go to another minority.

[Seth]

yes, they do have some perks, a lot of them. The way I see it, we're telling them they can't make it without our help. They're treated like we'd treat our mentally disabled cousins. Let them have the scholarships and we'll keep our pride. Yes, I have racist feelings against that community, but not against the individuals

[Bowlcut]

They didn't have to specify that it had to be for a non-aboriginal student because the chances of a native student going to university would be slim. That is not racist but a fact that, due to the nature of the reserve system, few aboriginals attend post secondary if they are lucky/motivated enough to graduate high school.

[Seth]

^ that's the thing, unlike tax cuts, scholarship for natives don't apply only to aboriginals living in reserves. I got a friend who's lived her entire life in a hamilton neighborhood, from wage earning parents. She's doesn't even bear native physical traits, yet she got her whole studies paid for since she's like a quarter native

[kawikaratekid]

I'm not gonna lie, if I was native I would milk that $hit. I would be in school still with my doctorate and continuing my education to become a lawyer. Then I would go back to the reserve and defend others. Making money hand over fist tax free!!

[spitfire]

I'm a white male and I feel in the minority. Strange no? I wonder when it will actually happen that the white male will be statistically the minority if we'll enjoy the same human rights.

I bet no.

[Bowlcut]

^ that's the thing, unlike tax cuts, scholarship for natives don't apply only to aboriginals living in reserves. I got a friend who's lived her entire life in a hamilton neighborhood, from wage earning parents. She's doesn't even bear native physical traits, yet she got her whole studies paid for since she's like a quarter native

Don't forget schools and companies actively recruit natives regardless of if their performance is better than others.
It is like affirmative blackation. I know a girl whose sister got a free ride at Penn State (edit) because she is black, even though her mom is white and makes decent $$$.

[cdnsoldier]

I'm a white male and I feel in the minority. Strange no? I wonder when it will actually happen that the white male will be statistically the minority if we'll enjoy the same human rights.

I bet no.



In some cities aren't white sthe minority? Vancouver, Toronto?

[macka]

All I have to say is that U of Sask should quit worrying about a minority group and worry about educating the students already there.

[dainbramaged]

Personally, I like:

"The rejected donor contacted the Saskatoon StarPhoenix but would only speak on a condition of anonymity out of fear of negative publicity..."

and how such tidbits come up:

-the fact that they (the couple donating) have that kind of money

"both she and her husband work in public-sector jobs"

"...the 57-year-old nursing graduate said..."

Gee, if someone did a bit of research, I'm sure they could narrow that down to who it might be. Forget anonymity...

[Ritch]

In some cities aren't white sthe minority? Vancouver, Toronto?

Add Montreal to that list...

[Bowlcut]

Add Montreal to that list...

I don't venture east of St. Denis or North of Mount Royal for that reason.

[Gettin'r'round]

I was hearing that the natives on reserves don't get squat from the gov't money the band gets for student grants. The whole band system is flawed to evil, those who are in with the chief get all the jobs/cash while everyone else gets ****ed.

Natives need to give up the ghost of living in the past and realize this is the 21st century, get off the reserves, ditch the favoritism (grants, $, $, tax free cards) and live like the rest of us do. I for sure as hell would not like to live like my 16th century ancestors, what is so special about the natives doing so? The results of the current system are clear as day and do nothing but destroy the soul of those living under the welfare reserve system. The system as is only benefits the chiefs (they sure squawk the loudest) and the tens of thousands of civil servants in Native Affairs. Plus it makes liberals feel all fuzzy wuzzy. Does anyone seriously think that natives in 300 years from now will still want to be where they are today? Whatever happened to progress being a BAD thing????

[Spyder122]

I was hearing that the natives on reserves don't get squat from the gov't money the band gets for student grants. The whole band system is flawed to evil, those who are in with the chief get all the jobs/cash while everyone else gets ****ed.

Natives need to give up the ghost of living in the past and realize this is the 21st century, get off the reserves, ditch the favoritism (grants, $, $, tax free cards) and live like the rest of us do. I for sure as hell would not like to live like my 16th century ancestors, what is so special about the natives doing so? The results of the current system are clear as day and do nothing but destroy the soul of those living under the welfare reserve system. The system as is only benefits the chiefs (they sure squawk the loudest) and the tens of thousands of civil servants in Native Affairs. Plus it makes liberals feel all fuzzy wuzzy. Does anyone seriously think that natives in 300 years from now will still want to be where they are today? Whatever happened to progress being a BAD thing????


I agree with this. Let's move forward. Quit living in the past!

[waderow]

It is going to take the govt to wean them off the tit.

The baby never chooses to be weaned. It is always the choice of the mother

[deleteduser0001]

I teach for a living. I have to say, you guys are assholes and ignorant. I am not one to want to give or take away handouts or anything but indeed, the native population would suffer, stutter and die without intervention. they are a disadvantaged group, not just a minority, which was, as i read, the point the UofS made.

I have seen 7 year olds give up on life, how can you not want to help them? I have seen 12 year olds with virtually grade 2 educations almost give up, how can you not help them? they arent old enough to "stop taking goverment money" or "tough love" they are ****ed for life without intervention.

to any 18-19 year old who has good enough grades to make it to university, good on them, talk about rare....they deserve the free ride.

[guest]

I teach for a living. I have to say, you guys are assholes and ignorant. I am not one to want to give or take away handouts or anything but indeed, the native population would suffer, stutter and die without intervention. they are a disadvantaged group, not just a minority, which was, as i read, the point the UofS made.

I have seen 7 year olds give up on life, how can you not want to help them? I have seen 12 year olds with virtually grade 2 educations almost give up, how can you not help them? they arent old enough to "stop taking goverment money" or "tough love" they are ****ed for life without intervention.

to any 18-19 year old who has good enough grades to make it to university, good on them, talk about rare....they deserve the free ride.

the present system isnt working.....that means we are not currently helping them, no?

why are they disadvantaged? the answer to that should give some clues as to what direction aid should be moving in.

as for the university, if a donor wants to contribute to a specific group....IMO, so be it. you dont have to be native to be in need of a helping hand.

[deleteduser0001]

the present system isnt working.....that means we are not currently helping them, no?

why are they disadvantaged? the answer to that should give some clues as to what direction aid should be moving in.

as for the university, if a donor wants to contribute to a specific group....IMO, so be it. you dont have to be native to be in need of a helping hand.

Sorry, you cannot walk into a store decimate the occupations and a few days later wonder why they are not on the same footing as you. We made forced them to enter OUR world and somehow everyone expects them to be right on top of that. Racism runs rampant towards natives across the country (please, deny it if you want) more so than towards any other ethnicity.

What system are you speaking about? welfare? social programs? I am unsure to the specifics of what is not working...

As far as I understand the context of this discussion, natives who get to college, have it paid, get the education, do very well for themselves.

[guest]

Sorry, you cannot walk into a store decimate the occupations and a few days later wonder why they are not on the same footing as you. We made forced them to enter OUR world and somehow everyone expects them to be right on top of that. Racism runs rampant towards natives across the country (please, deny it if you want) more so than towards any other ethnicity.

What system are you speaking about? welfare? social programs? I am unsure to the specifics of what is not working...

As far as I understand the context of this discussion, natives who get to college, have it paid, get the education, do very well for themselves.

i'd like to add that i am not getting emotional about this nor denying anything, i'm merely asking questions for arguments sake. one of my best friends is Mohawk and a high school teacher.

does the walking into a store analogy apply to immigrants? my grandparents came here from eastern europe with nothing(except for maybe alcoholism), not even speaking english. just as Vietnamese and many other peoples have. it hasnt stopped them from being able to sustain themselves. are natives not human?

what isnt working? well perhaps you can tell what is working? what should we maintain and improve upon? how do we help these people that need to be helped?

the context of this thread deals with a university denying a donor the ability to help a deserving group of people in need.

[Bowlcut]

All I am going to say is how can natives expect the government can help them?
If the government hasn't done anything for them in the past what makes them think they will in the future?

The shitty state of affairs on the reserves is just evidence that a centralized government in Ottawa cannot run anything efficiently.

This private gift would do way more good to a needy student than any government program could.

[macka]

Sorry, you cannot walk into a store decimate the occupations and a few days later wonder why they are not on the same footing as you. We made forced them to enter OUR world and somehow everyone expects them to be right on top of that. Racism runs rampant towards natives across the country (please, deny it if you want) more so than towards any other ethnicity.

What system are you speaking about? welfare? social programs? I am unsure to the specifics of what is not working...

As far as I understand the context of this discussion, natives who get to college, have it paid, get the education, do very well for themselves.

You know what irks me? This attitude that they aren't forced to live in the world, but kept under a rock. If we keep them bottled up on a reserve, then suddenly introduce them to our world, its little wonder they snap. I live in an area where I see this all the time. The government drops them in the city (Thunder Bay) for whatever reason and they can't suddenly adapt, they are without their family core for the first time, and then they turn to substance abuse to cope.
As for your racism comment, I'm Metis and I have been on both sides of the fence. One side for being part native, and the other being part caucasian. If you think what the rest of society says is rough, try a day of hatred aimed at you on a rez. You are not seeing the whole picture, and what you do see is mostly one sided. Racism is rampant in our society and worse in some groups then others.