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tiramisu
14-05-2009, 04:03 PM
I'm just thinking about the mechanics of BA, BB as solvents.

It seems to me that If the powder is not stable in BB alone prior to injection it may tend to crash in the muscle as the BA is drawn from the solution and cause that unpleasant pain we so love.

While BA is a great solvent it is then better to think of it as a bacteriostatic agent and the BB as the solvent.

Is my logic correct?

cdnsoldier
14-05-2009, 05:38 PM
You mean BA as the solvent????

BTW if you want a good "recipe" I can post a few for you.

MoooBaby
14-05-2009, 05:47 PM
I think this would be better off talked about in a PM.

tiramisu
14-05-2009, 07:01 PM
or we could just openly talk about the role of solvents, oil, and bacteria.

A better general understanding might help people reduce both pain and infection.

Bacteriostatic Water is generally made with 0.9% BA yet most oil base solutions I am aware of are in the neighbourhood of 2.0%.

What is the appropriate level of BA to ensure a bacteriostatic environment in oil? Is more better or just more?


Does BB play a role in reducing/slowing the growth of bacteria?

Will Bacteria die off in a bacteriostatic solution over time and if so should solutions sit for a minimum period of time prior to use?

tiramisu
14-05-2009, 07:22 PM
Benzyl alcohol is used as a bacteriostatic preservative at low concentration in intravenous medications. It is oxidized rapidly in healthy individuals to benzoic acid, conjugated with glycine in the liver, and excreted as hippuric acid. High concentrations can result in toxic effects including respiratory failure, vasodilation, hypotension, convulsions, and paralysis. Newborns, especially if critically ill, may not metabolize benzyl alcohol as readily as adults. Reports in the early 1980s of sixteen neonatal deaths associated with the use of saline flush solutions containing benzyl alcohol preservative led to recommendations to avoid its use in neonates.

Benzyl benzoate is the ester of benzyl alcohol and benzoic acid.
Benzyl Benzoate like, BA, is used to help suspend the hormone in your solution. It does not however have any bacteriostatic properties. It also helps in not only thinning the solution to make the shots easier to go in but also keeping the hormone from crystalizing once injected.

BritishColumbian
14-05-2009, 07:35 PM
I think this would be better off talked about in a PM.

could you please explain this statement, it makes no sense whatsoever to me?
I thought this forum was for learning?

MoooBaby
14-05-2009, 07:57 PM
could you please explain this statement, it makes no sense whatsoever to me?
I thought this forum was for learning?

Maybe just erring on the side of caution. To me I guess it stands to reason that if you're brewing at home then you've done a few things that are considered by the law to be more than just possession for the intention of consumption. Catch my drift?

I am all for free speech, but. . the world in which we live pertaining to our passions is an easy one right now. And flaunting the fact we have the ability to obtain and produce what we want seems a tad bit like waving it in their face.

I know the decision isn't up to me. . and it was just my opinion, take it or leave it.

BritishColumbian
14-05-2009, 08:59 PM
Maybe just erring on the side of caution. To me I guess it stands to reason that if you're brewing at home then you've done a few things that are considered by the law to be more than just possession for the intention of consumption. Catch my drift?

I am all for free speech, but. . the world in which we live pertaining to our passions is an easy one right now. And flaunting the fact we have the ability to obtain and produce what we want seems a tad bit like waving it in their face.

I know the decision isn't up to me. . and it was just my opinion, take it or leave it.

Thank you for that! I was just wondering where you were coming from and you make a good point! thanks

Beachmuscle
14-05-2009, 10:31 PM
Maybe just erring on the side of caution. To me I guess it stands to reason that if you're brewing at home then you've done a few things that are considered by the law to be more than just possession for the intention of consumption. Catch my drift?

I am all for free speech, but. . the world in which we live pertaining to our passions is an easy one right now. And flaunting the fact we have the ability to obtain and produce what we want seems a tad bit like waving it in their face.

I know the decision isn't up to me. . and it was just my opinion, take it or leave it.

Green for you.

waderow
17-05-2009, 01:37 PM
there is a difference between talking about brewing juice and discussing the pound of test prop powder you have coming in from china.

my friend in mexico was wondering if BA is better referred to as a preservative and BB the solvent? Yes, I would tell him the main reason for BA is preservative. BB.... solvent. I had crashing gear once and I added a little bb. Took care if it.

Iwant2Grow
17-05-2009, 05:40 PM
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Drummer
17-05-2009, 08:40 PM
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Drummer
17-05-2009, 08:43 PM
I'm just thinking about the mechanics of BA, BB as solvents.

It seems to me that If the powder is not stable in BB alone prior to injection it may tend to crash in the muscle as the BA is drawn from the solution and cause that unpleasant pain we so love.

While BA is a great solvent it is then better to think of it as a bacteriostatic agent and the BB as the solvent.

Is my logic correct?

Your logic is correct.