HGH and Bacteriostatic Water (doh!!)

[tiramisu]

Currently doing 2 iu's a day with 10 iu vials.

Have been reconstituting with Bacteriostatic water.

After having listened to SHR and Off Topic this week I've discovered the HGH is pretty much inert by day 3 ( doh!! ). If I was using the entire dosage in 24-48 hours the bacteriostatic water would be fine but the PH level is inappropriate for a longer duration and the HGH breaks down. (sigh).

I will be picking up some saline and filtering it with .9% BA tomorrow morning as bacteriostatic saline will allow the reconstituted solution to survive longer than a week.

What a waste.

[Houstonbc]

Hey bro you should be good for 10 days with bac water
I think you are confusing sterile water with bacteriostatic water

[tiramisu]

Hey bro you should be good for 10 days with bac water
I think you are confusing sterile water with bacteriostatic water

NOPE, while the HGH will be sterile for a week there won't be active HGH left after 3 days. This is an issue of PH rather than sterility.

Have a listen to the latest Super Human Radio or the interview with Milos Sarcev on after hours.... I believe he responds with... "Bacteriostatic Water is what you want to use" , followed by "Why would anyone not use the vial within 24 hours", followed by let me rephrase that "Bacteriostatic Water is what you want to use if you are injecting the vial within 24 hours"....

The chemist from pure peptides being interviewed on superhuman radio recommends...
Bacteriostatic Water - 48 hours (degrading in 3 days)
Bacteriostatic Sodium Chloride - NOT 10 days(?) 3 Weeks
Acetic Acid - longer but its gonna burn and he wasn't sure why a vial would last more than 10 days. Similar to Milos not understanding why you wouldn't just inject the 10 iu's immediately.

[tripleA]

Hope this is not true. I always thought with BW, the HGH is good for about 2 weeks.

[Houstonbc]

i think that chemist is ****ed, hopefully some more experienced GH users can chime in on this.....Gus, P , Jonnyo where are you guys?

[tiramisu]

While it is news to me I'd be surprised if the guys from pure peptides who are manufacturing peptides in the U.S. are ****ed.
Definitely pushing their products and anti-chinese but in this area there is no reason to tell anything but the truth.

17 minutes in.

http://www.superhumanradio.com/rss/show_podcast.xml

[gustavo77]

"Bacteriostatic Water - 48 hours
Bacteriostatic Sodium Chloride - 10 days(?)
Acetic Acid - longer but its gonna burn and he wasn't sure why a vial would last more than 10 days."

I've never heard of anyone using AA to mix GH....this sounds a lot like the recommendations for IGF-1LR3. Igf-1 mixed with B. Water is only good for about a day and yes this has everything to do with PH....i have used GH mixed with B. water many times, after it being mixed for 4-5 days in the fridge and it was still good. That said, i have been using Bacteriostatic Sodium Chloride for last little while cause that's what was available at my local Shopper's...:)

[fg123]

hey what do you recommend mixing with the hgh? bacteriostatic water, or bact. sodoium chloride? which is available at local drug stores?

[tiramisu]

1. It depends how long it takes you to use 10 iu's
2. Either is available at the drug store but may or may not be in stock. You may have to order a flat. CanadaMedSupplies (sponsor) has bac. h20.

To be effective for bodybuilding GH should be taken at about 1 iu / kilo / per week which for most of us is about a kit a week. I'm currently dosing at 2.5 iu's per day and truthfully unless I increase my dosage I feel like I'm pissing my money away.

[Praetorian]

GH is fine for a few days with BS water. Whoever said 24 hours is completely confused. The peptide does not break down after 24 hours. Ive used BS water, NACL .09%, as well as sterile water...all fine for 3-4 days without issue.
P

[Dr.Dose]

To put the confusion to rest, Bacteriostatic water is fine and preferred for reconstitution. Direct from the Nutropin US site:

"Nutropin is supplied as 5 mg (approximately 15 IU) or 10 mg (approximately 30 IU) of lyophilized, sterile somatropin per vial.

Each 5 mg carton contains one vial of Nutropin (5 mg per vial) and one 10 mL multiple-dose vial of Bacteriostatic Water for Injection, USP (benzyl alcohol preserved). NDC 50242-072-03.

Each 10 mg carton contains one vial of Nutropin (10 mg per vial) and one 10 mL multiple-dose vial of Bacteriostatic Water for Injection, USP (benzyl alcohol preserved). NDC 50242-018-21."

STORAGE AFTER RECONSTITUTION:

"How to store Nutropin
Nutropin must be refrigerated at 2–8°C/36–46° before (powder form) and after (liquid form) reconstitution. Reconstituted Nutropin cannot be used after 14 days and should be discarded. Unopened vials of Bacteriostatic Water for Injection, USP (benzyl alcohol preserved), should also be refrigerated at 2–8° C/36–46°F.

It is important to protect all vials from light, including the reconstituted medication, and store them in a clean, safe place in the refrigerator when not in use.

DO NOT FREEZE. If vials appear frozen, do not use."

And whatever these guy on some radio are talking about they are full of shit! Even Milos, take what he says with a gain of salt half the time. he knows some stuff but half the stuff he says he is taking out of his ass! He put more then a few bodybuilders in the hospital with his "techniques" already.

[Andre]

What Dr. Dose is saying applies to all other 'brands' of GH... notice the importance of refrigeration even while it's in the powdered form!

[flapjack]

I agree it should be refridgerated at all times, but does it come from the source refridgerated? Or shipped overseas in a refridgerated container? I doubt it.

[Benny62]

From the Getropin Website:


What we choose to reconstitute it with should depend on how rapidly we use the GH. Bacteriostatic water is basically sterile water with 0.9% Benzyl Alcohol added, and this Alcohol keeps anything from growing in the water, thus making it safe for injection for the longest amount of time, up to three weeks. If the amount of GH in our vial is enough to last for a few weeks at our desired daily dosage, BW is the wisest choice. For the common use for bodybuilding (2-5 IU's a day) and the more commonly used vial size (10 IU's), it isn't really as critical which of the above listed dilutents are used......the vial will be used up long before bacteria or anything begins to grow in our reconstituted HGH. It is really personal preference outside of the considerations listed above.

[fireflyer]

I didn't know it had to be refridgerated even as powder. It doesn't come that way. Does this mean it's no good when you get it? Haven't run that much yet but if it's crap I'm out a couple G so far already :-(

[Praetorian]

I didn't know it had to be refridgerated even as powder. It doesn't come that way. Does this mean it's no good when you get it? Haven't run that much yet but if it's crap I'm out a couple G so far already :-(

That is specifically for Nutropin....NOT all brands of GH require this. It is most likely a manufacturers suggestion not completely necessary as most GH in powder form is stable at room temperature for at least 30 days. All chinese gh that was being imported to the US or Canada was in containers at room temperature for the transit period over here...there were not refrigerated.
Gensci specifically states this on their site as well.
P