Milos steroid protocols

[Ritch]

I was listening to off topic radio and Milos Sarcev was the guest. He was saying that his clients use about 750mg of test and 1500-2000mg of gear total per week. And these guys are on the Olympia stage! And most olympia guys don`t use the gonzo dosages we think they do. Thoughts?

[rickyboy36]

I was listening to off topic radio and Milos Sarcev was the guest. He was saying that his clients use about 750mg of test and 1500-2000mg of gear total per week. And these guys are on the Olympia stage! And most olympia guys don`t use the gonzo dosages we think they do. Thoughts?


I doubt it,although i could be wrong.I dont think it be wise for him to say they are taking big amountsWhat kind of message would he be sending if he did that?One thing that i pretty sure though is they take a BOATLOAD of peptides like GH

Id love to hear from the guys hear who are higher up..

[Ritch]

I doubt it,although i could be wrong.I dont think it be wise for him to say they are taking big amountsWhat kind of message would he be sending if he did that?One thing that i pretty sure though is they take a BOATLOAD of peptides like GH

Id love to hear from the guys hear who are higher up..

I highly recommend anybody listen to the interview with Milos on rxmuscle.com. He really has no reason to lie, and the image of pro bodybuilders is not a concern to him. His goal is to help them be at their best. He didn`t get into the topic of peptides and gh dosing but I`m sure they will have him back to talk about it.

[metallord]

Is 1500mg of test a week really that high a dose?

[O-Train]

Is 1500mg of test a week really that high a dose?

It's at least 20x normal physiological production so yes, it is a high dose.

[kawikaratekid]

Hmm I think they do a little more. Kind of hard to maintain 270 - 300lbs. in my opinion.

[kawikaratekid]

Although he didn't weigh that much I'm sure Levrone was on more then that.

[Houstonbc]

they do way way way more than that some 750mg/day of test

[Kronis]

He also said they take up to 20 units of HGH per day.

[KINE]

I kno a few amateur guys and they take way more then that a week. I think the big difference between todays bbers and the ones from when Arny was around is dosages, oh and gh

[JonnyO]

If they were using 1500mg-2000mg a week dosages there wouldnt be any health problems now would there...I call BS.

[tex]

i agree this is bs....

[tiramisu]

1.5 grams seems like a fair bit to me considering that they generally don't come off over several years. For those calling B.S. How much do you think is being done?


If they are doing Tren it's unlikely that they are doing much more than 700mg per week.
Assuming a gram of test as a base.
dbol/adrol/tbol to go with - 350 mg

~ 2 grams and too much for my system

[rickyboy36]

1.5 grams seems like a fair bit to me considering that they generally don't come off over several years. For those calling B.S. How much do you think is being done?


If they are doing Tren it's unlikely that they are doing much more than 700mg per week.
Assuming a gram of test as a base.
dbol/adrol/tbol to go with - 350 mg

~ 2 grams and too much for my system

If i was to take a guess..i would say the range would be around 3000mgs-4000mgs a week.including orals and everything(not peptides though)

I found this about Dorian Yates cycle.Im not sure if its true but ill post it up anyways.Its pretty insane!:

week 1----2000mg test cyp---150mg dbol/a day
week 1----2000mg test cyp---150mg dbol/a day
week 2 ----3000mg test cyp---200mg dbol/a day
week 3-----4000mg test cyp---300mg dbol/day
week 4 -----5000mg test cyp---no dbol
week 5------3000mg test susp---200mg anadrol
week 6------4000mg test susp---300mg anadrol
week 7-------4000mg test susp---400mg anadrol
week 9-------10,000 iu hcg--800mg clomid
week10-------20,000iu hcg--1000mg clomid
week 11------4000mg test prop---100mg halotestin
week 12------4000mg test prop----200mg hal0
weel 13-------5000mg test prop----300mg halo
week 14-------3000mg test sus-----300mg halo----1000mg masterone
week 15-------4000mg test sus-----400mg halo----1000mg masterone
weekl 16-------10,000iu hcg---1000mg clomid
week 17--------20,000iu hcg---2000mg clomid
week 18--------30 ,000iu hcg---3000mg clomid
week 20---------2500mg test susp---1000mg of fina---
weel 21----------3500mg test susp--1500mg of fina
week 22----------4500mg test susp--20oomg of fina
week 23 ----------5000mg test susp---2500mg of fina
week 24 ----------1500mg test prop-----500mg anadrol
week 25-----------2500mg test prop-----500mg anadrol
week 26 -----------3500 mg test prop----300mg anadrol---1000mg masterone/day
week 27------------1500mg test susp-----200mg anadrol---200mg winng/day
week 29------------1500 mg test susp-----200mg anadrol---200 mg winny/day
week 30 ------------1500mg test susp------100mg anadrol---300mg winny/day

[Ritch]

1.5 grams seems like a fair bit to me considering that they generally don't come off over several years.

Say a guy is on for 12 weeks he has his client off for 6 weeks and so on. I think it`s about genetics. I`ve known guys who`d do 1 sustanon for 8 weeks and have great bodies. Yet this other guy whas cranking close to 2 grams a week and if I were him, I wouldn`t be so proud to say that...

[natenator]

Say a guy is on for 12 weeks he has his client off for 6 weeks and so on. I think it`s about genetics. I`ve known guys who`d do 1 sustanon for 8 weeks and have great bodies. Yet this other guy whas cranking close to 2 grams a week and if I were him, I wouldn`t be so proud to say that...
genetics and food. Ppl don't understand the importance of nutrition in this game. Those who say they do REALLY do NOT.

Drugs play a big part no doubt but if you ain't eating enough and don't have the genetic potential then you won't amount of jack shit.

[Ritch]

genetics and food. Ppl don't understand the importance of nutrition in this game. Those who say they do REALLY do NOT.

Drugs play a big part no doubt but if you ain't eating enough and don't have the genetic potential then you won't amount of jack shit.

For sure I forgot to mention food. Milos is very specific about that. And acknoledges there is more than one way to get it done, unlike some gurus who advocate there is only one way of doing it... He`s actually a carb guy, but gives props to the keto plan so I dig his way of thinking.

[rickyboy36]

genetics and food. Ppl don't understand the importance of nutrition in this game. Those who say they do REALLY do NOT.

Drugs play a big part no doubt but if you ain't eating enough and don't have the genetic potential then you won't amount of jack shit.

A-men..

[Sean Summers]

If you guys only knew....
SS

[Ritch]

If you guys only knew....
SS

I`m taking it you`re meaning they use high doses. I don`t doubt some do, just wondering if it`s that much better or necessary, especially after hearing Milos speak his mind on the topic. Any stories to share?

[rickyboy36]

I`m taking it you`re meaning they use high doses. I don`t doubt some do, just wondering if it`s that much better or necessary, especially after hearing Milos speak his mind on the topic. Any stories to share?

Well seeing i take part on 3 other boards,there are many so called vets(maybe not pros) who are very open about their cycles and know a bit about the so called "business" of getting bigger.All i can say is the majority who are big,use alot..especially peptides.You would be surprised about the doses.The cycle i posted about Dorian(like i said,i dont kow if its true for him) lays true to other people on other boards that have been openly honest about their cycles.

just saying bro..

[Ritch]

Well seeing i take part on 3 other boards,there are many so called vets(maybe not pros) who are very open about their cycles and know a bit about the so called "business" of getting bigger.All i can say is the majority who are big,use alot..especially peptides.You would be surprised about the doses.The cycle i posted about Dorian(like i said,i dont kow if its true for him) lays true to other people on other boards that have been openly honest about their cycles.

just saying bro..

It`s always good to hear people post their cycles, but Milos said what people say about Dorian is not accurate. People assume he`s on massive doses and logically so, I mean look at the guy! I`d believe Milos over what you hear on the boards.

[manfreakca]

dorian cycle is crazy but u know for sure there doin more than 15oo a week,i think u need lots of food for sure but High AS will put your body over the edge

[rickyboy36]

It`s always good to hear people post their cycles, but Milos said what people say about Dorian is not accurate. People assume he`s on massive doses and logically so, I mean look at the guy! I`d believe Milos over what you hear on the boards.

Yes,maybe with dorian it could be innacurate,but i dont see why people would lie about their OWN cycles being so high,especially the vets with expeirience

[Drummer]

Your not going to get anyone going on a radio show and saying "the pros do exactly this...". They might do 1500-2000mg a week on a bridge lol.

~D~

[Sean Summers]

I`m taking it you`re meaning they use high doses. I don`t doubt some do, just wondering if it`s that much better or necessary, especially after hearing Milos speak his mind on the topic. Any stories to share?

Actually, quite the opposite.
SS

[vegan_hunter]

Actually, quite the opposite.
SS

Ya, but what does their peptide dosing protocol look like?

[buildinthaskinnys]

I read an interview with Dorian Yates and he said he would never discuss his steroid use with anyone as he dosent want to influence people in that area.

For the nay sayers, this is the difference between an Ifbb pro and a
"steroid vet". 99.9999 % of all steroid users will never see the Olympian stage, because of a little thing called genetics. You can take 10000mg of test a day the average 98 lb weakling is never gonna be as big as Ronnie Coleman NEVER!

Genetics determine how much mass these guys carry plain and simple.

And that was funny, a picture of Levrone peaking, and then one where he probably had not worked out for two years, thats "on" "off", Kevin walked around natural a lean 185 pounds before he even touched a weight, I weighed a lean 128 before I touched a weight, who do you think is gonna be bigger in the end? 9 out 10 times you would win if you chose the 185 lb guy.

Lee Priest stated that he takes a simple amount 500mg of deca and 750mg of test a week, why is that so hard to believe? He builds muscle fiber easier without drugs than most norms, so why is it so hard to believe that he needs less drugs to get the great results?

[rickyboy36]

I read an interview with Dorian Yates and he said he would never discuss his steroid use with anyone as he dosent want to influence people in that area.

For the nay sayers, this is the difference between an Ifbb pro and a
"steroid vet". 99.9999 % of all steroid users will never see the Olympian stage, because of a little thing called genetics. You can take 10000mg of test a day the average 98 lb weakling is never gonna be as big as Ronnie Coleman NEVER!

Genetics determine how much mass these guys carry plain and simple.

And that was funny, a picture of Levrone peaking, and then one where he probably had not worked out for two years, thats "on" "off", Kevin walked around natural a lean 185 pounds before he even touched a weight, I weighed a lean 128 before I touched a weight, who do you think is gonna be bigger in the end? 9 out 10 times you would win if you chose the 185 lb guy.

Lee Priest stated that he takes a simple amount 500mg of deca and 750mg of test a week, why is that so hard to believe? He builds muscle fiber easier without drugs than most norms, so why is it so hard to believe that he needs less drugs to get the great results?

Ill give you the benefit of the doubt here and say they dont.What about the mass amounts of peptides?Do you think they do them or not?

[buildinthaskinnys]

Ill give you the benefit of the doubt here and say they dont.What about the mass amounts of peptides?Do you think they do them or not?

I dont think so either, if you stayed on massive doses of those complex growth factors like Igf or hgh I think you would have some pretty ****ed up looking people on the stage, not to mention, the acute side effects, like joint pain, those would be killer and how would they train that way? If anything they some might cruise on a reasonably dosage throughout the year then increase as they are nearing a contest to aid with fat loss. Growth hormone was really only meant to be elevated for a short period of time from the time you were concieved until your first three years of life then it drops off substantially, to keep it elevated all the time would be dangerous I think, not that anyone on the stage would care haha.:bch

[Kronis]

Not sure why people don't believe Milos' cycles.

750 test, + injectable anabolic, +oral androgen, +oral anabolic, + 10-20 IU Growth + slin sounds like it would make a very big boy.

Obviously there are state and national level guys using way more than that, but those are the guys who should probably accept reality.

[Ritch]

Not sure why people don't believe Milos' cycles.

750 test, + injectable anabolic, +oral androgen, +oral anabolic, + 10-20 IU Growth + slin sounds like it would make a very big boy.

Obviously there are state and national level guys using way more than that, but those are the guys who should probably accept reality.

Exactly!!! especially the part about accepting reality... Green comming your way.

[pw154]

Pros do not take nearly as much juice as you'd think. They do run high amounts of growth, but usually only during growth phases. Echoing genetics which was mentioned earlier. That's the majority of the puzzle.

Most of these guys are genetic mesomorphs whos bodys produce lower concentrations of myostatin than the average joe. Couple that with juice and 10-20IU of growth hormone a day along with mass quantities of food and you have ronnie coleman. These guys have been blessed with awesome genetics for this sport.

You cannot take any average guy out there and turn him into ronnie coleman no matter how much juice, food, training, etc you give him. If your body does not have the genetic potential to hold that amount of lean mass you are SOL. Sucks but true.

[kyle]

My take this topic.

To start off all of the Pro BBers have to have amazing genetics like several other people have stated. Some people can achieve 200lbs and be very lean and strong and others will only be 160lbs. Good genetics mean everything. That being said I would bet almost every top level pro has very good genetics. Now if we agree most of these pros have good genetics train there asses off for hours each day and have their diets down to a science, which all of them do or they wouldn't be pros. There is only one variable left which is AAS and GH and whatever else there taking. We are always hearing about how many health problems BBers have kidneys, liver, heart it goes on. Pro BBers are walking a very fine line im sure if they could take more steriods and GH and put on an extra 5 or 10lbs they would but the human body can only handle so much abuse and then its just gonna shut down.

None of us know exacly whats Ronnies or Jays stack is but you can bet if they could take another pill or shoot and extra 200mg of test and gain more muscle they would or someone else out there would do it and win. The bottem line is its clear to me none of these guys are to worried about health.

[BritishColumbian]

Great thread guys! Another reason why I love this board. Thanks!
Green for everyone :a+

[kawikaratekid]

I read an interview with Dorian Yates and he said he would never discuss his steroid use with anyone as he dosent want to influence people in that area.

For the nay sayers, this is the difference between an Ifbb pro and a
"steroid vet". 99.9999 % of all steroid users will never see the Olympian stage, because of a little thing called genetics. You can take 10000mg of test a day the average 98 lb weakling is never gonna be as big as Ronnie Coleman NEVER!

Genetics determine how much mass these guys carry plain and simple.

And that was funny, a picture of Levrone peaking, and then one where he probably had not worked out for two years, thats "on" "off", Kevin walked around natural a lean 185 pounds before he even touched a weight, I weighed a lean 128 before I touched a weight, who do you think is gonna be bigger in the end? 9 out 10 times you would win if you chose the 185 lb guy.

Lee Priest stated that he takes a simple amount 500mg of deca and 750mg of test a week, why is that so hard to believe? He builds muscle fiber easier without drugs than most norms, so why is it so hard to believe that he needs less drugs to get the great results?

There aren't many pro's that come close to Ronnie. Not even a fair comparison. With the right trainers, diet, money, time, dedication and knowledge of protocols I think we'd all be surprised to see who could make it.

Are we talking about a lean guy that weighs 128 and is 5'6 versus a lean guy who is 185 that is 6'1? The guy who is 5'6 and 128 may look a lot better on stage then the guy who is 6'1 and 185. If they're both the same height I'll bet on the 185 guy every time.

[O-Train]

There aren't many pro's that come close to Ronnie. Not even a fair comparison. With the right trainers, diet, money, time, dedication and knowledge of protocols I think we'd all be surprised to see who could make it.

Are we talking about a lean guy that weighs 128 and is 5'6 versus a lean guy who is 185 that is 6'1? The guy who is 5'6 and 128 may look a lot better on stage then the guy who is 6'1 and 185. If they're both the same height I'll bet on the 185 guy every time.

It's true, very few compare to Ronnie. Good genetics gets thrown around a lot but he is truly a freak. I think a lot of guys could look like an average pro and for one reason or another shit happens and they don't. This is my take on things anyways. You take someone who has decent potential and give them a great diet, great training, lots of recovery and enough drugs and time. I think you could get a pro level physique. Or at least something really close. But you would never get a Ronnie Coleman unless you started with a Ronnie Coleman.

It's like when Dexter was thanking his parents at the Mr. Olympia. Then the camera pans out and reveals two small, skinny, very average looking people. I don't think his genetics are exceptional compared to a lot of other people. And yeah they were old but people with big muscular frames tend to die young and are still big when they go.

When I was at R.M.C I remember commenting to one of the guys that these must be some of the best and brightest in all of Canada. And I still remember basically what he told me: "No, these are only the best and brightest of the 1% who gave a shit and applied to come here".

The real freaks are probably at home on the couch, not in the gym.

[hyperlite32]

I think that there are some using a SICK amount of drugs, AAS,Peptides, painkillers, and recs. I would also think there are the huge mofo's who use 500mg of test and grow like weeds.

It is kinda intersting to speculate, because we will never REALLY know...

Good thread guys.

[buildinthaskinnys]

There aren't many pro's that come close to Ronnie. Not even a fair comparison. With the right trainers, diet, money, time, dedication and knowledge of protocols I think we'd all be surprised to see who could make it.

Are we talking about a lean guy that weighs 128 and is 5'6 versus a lean guy who is 185 that is 6'1? The guy who is 5'6 and 128 may look a lot better on stage then the guy who is 6'1 and 185. If they're both the same height I'll bet on the 185 guy every time.

I was comparing myself directly to Kevin because I believe we are about the same height, 5'9 or 5'10, but whatever give or take a couple inches, my point is typically if you are bigger before training you will be bigger than the smaller guy after training, but of course that dosent factor in genetic anomallys, everyone is effected differently by training, for instance some people naturally have high levels of cortisone i their bodies and therefore have difficultys building muscle, but throw in some deca, and Voila instant muscles!
But come off the drugs and bye bye muscles. each to their own, I have seen guys that take a gram of test a week and look like fitness models, and then there is the guy that eats cheese burgers and works out twice a week an hour a day, supplements with a protein shakes only and looks like he is one of the sons of zeus, go figure.

[nitrous]

i've talked to a pro that was very open with me..

on average he takes a few grams of test a week plus 1 oral plus GH and slin.. he hasnt used peptides but know some who have who got good results.. he has tried basically everything and gone as high as i think it was 9 grams a week but found he grows just as well on lower dosages so he doesnt go that high just wanted to try it to see what would happen

[O-Train]

i've talked to a pro that was very open with me..

on average he takes a few grams of test a week plus 1 oral plus GH and slin.. he hasnt used peptides but know some who have who got good results.. he has tried basically everything and gone as high as i think it was 9 grams a week but found he grows just as well on lower dosages so he doesnt go that high just wanted to try it to see what would happen

Doesn't peptide refer to peptide hormones like Growth Hormone and Insulin or am I way off?

[Adonis13]

Doesn't peptide refer to peptide hormones like Growth Hormone and Insulin or am I way off?
X2

[buildinthaskinnys]

Doesn't peptide refer to peptide hormones like Growth Hormone and Insulin or am I way off?

perhaps he is refering to the igf's and mgf's

[Praetorian]

I read an interview with Dorian Yates and he said he would never discuss his steroid use with anyone as he dosent want to influence people in that area.

For the nay sayers, this is the difference between an Ifbb pro and a
"steroid vet". 99.9999 % of all steroid users will never see the Olympian stage, because of a little thing called genetics. You can take 10000mg of test a day the average 98 lb weakling is never gonna be as big as Ronnie Coleman NEVER!

Genetics determine how much mass these guys carry plain and simple.

And that was funny, a picture of Levrone peaking, and then one where he probably had not worked out for two years, thats "on" "off", Kevin walked around natural a lean 185 pounds before he even touched a weight, I weighed a lean 128 before I touched a weight, who do you think is gonna be bigger in the end? 9 out 10 times you would win if you chose the 185 lb guy.

Lee Priest stated that he takes a simple amount 500mg of deca and 750mg of test a week, why is that so hard to believe? He builds muscle fiber easier without drugs than most norms, so why is it so hard to believe that he needs less drugs to get the great results?

Very well said and basically the plain truth. Bodybuilding is about genetics...meaning the ability to respond to aas and peptides better than the average guy. Bodybuilding has never been about driugs and never will be...without genetics you will never be on the Olympia stage period...you can do as much aas as you like.
There are some pros that take alot of drugs and some that dont...it varies greatly. Most of the guys taking higher dosages do so out of fear not because it is required. They fear the competition is doing the same. I know first hand what Dorian ran as he is a very good friend with one of my best friends. My firend did the entire Ontario tour and Vegas with him appearances and selling his supplement line. Ive been there many times when he called on my friends cell. I was curious so i asked...the dosages were nothing out of the ordinary...moderate to say the least. The same holds true for Lee Priest...very moderate dosages. Then there are guys like Titus and Wheeler who took anything and everything...not to mention rec stuff.
The point in reality is moot...it really doesnt matter what drugs you take...if you dont have the necessary genetics it wont make you a pro or an Olympia competitor.
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[nitrous]

Doesn't peptide refer to peptide hormones like Growth Hormone and Insulin or am I way off?

when i say pepties im refering to CJC-1295,GHRP-6 ect

[ironwill]

im going to see how well i can do with 200mgs test prop 3 times per week, with 30 mg of var and 300 mgs of masteron, and a few fat burners...If i cant look decent on this amnt, then i am not competing again, however if i do ok, then i may up the dose next yr a we bit to see how it goes....I got up to 280 on 750 mgs/wk of enanthate /wk, and 20 mgs of dbol/day and 300 mgs of npp per week......and i was a ful and not to fat guy at that weight...I then cut my food intake to hold 250ish and went straigt to contest, and i regret it...I should have upped my calories a bit more via more protein and different carbs, then went into contest...I lost some muscle as i was as hard at 250 as i am at 230ish now..
5 more weeks, then ill have my answers..
good thread and insightful posts here....

[JonnyO]

This is why I dont like to discuss dosages because what works for one guy may not for the next and when I called BS I was thinking of a select few and even some guys at the amateur level. Shit look at some of the cycles posted here by guys. Some respond very well some need more, just the way it is. People see some of these crazy cycle that the pros use and think if they did that they will achieve the same results. Now not all pros use huge amounts, but there are many that do and I think you can see it in their physiques, you can usually tell by looking at a guy thats juiced to the gills. Walk into any gym you can spot him, the guy with the red face an skin, oily skin and some acne, puffy and holding water retention, blood shot eyes growling walking around the gym. Not a good look.

Im not too sure about the crazy research peptides, but one thing I know for sure that the top guys are using is alot of GH. From what I have heard from guys that know some of these guys and have been around them and openly discussed these things are they (not all but the ones Im refering to) do take time off in the offseason. now whether they come completely off or not I cant remember but I'm pretty sure they remained on GH year round and do use HCG and other things like that to help with htpa function. But offseason was very basic with test and maybe some deca, very basic stuff offseason.


I have also heard reports that Dorian was a big fan of Parabolan.

[natenator]

I am not sure why we care to be honest?

If anyone here had the ability to be a pro they would be well on their way to it already. Meaning they would already have the inside scoop on the amount of food, training and drugs it takes to get there.

I have little desire to know what pros take. I am never going to be one and I don't aspire to be one so why do I care? I do what I do and and try to be as healthy as possible doing what I do. Yes, I'll experiment with higher doses like my current run of test e and deca. Total of 2300 grams/week. Never been this high before but wanted to try it out and see for myself. So far I am not experiencing sides worse than usual but am not feeling like this high of dose is doing more for me either so I prob won't ever go this high again (maybe EQ tho lol as I don't respond well to EQ at lower - 600mg/week - doses).

Point is, do what you do and stop caring what someone who is wayyyyy out of your league is doing. Really, who wants to look like one of today's pro's anyways? Maybe Dave Henry....!

[canadianmuscle0803]

total BS..

[manfreakca]

how do u explain levrone went from a freak to someone dont like he even touched a weight

[Ritch]

how do u explain levrone went from a freak to someone dont like he even touched a weight

For sure I`m surprised by this myself and always thought there would be some sort of permanent muscle gain from the type of stacks they do. But the guy is know to eat twice a day and enjoy his cocktails a plenty... I wish him all the best with his acting career. Way more money. I have a friend who`s just getting started and has done some movies you will never hear of and he gets paid $200 an hour when on set, and does 10-14 hour days. Last time in 10 days or so he made about $15 000. Bodybuilding costs more than you make unless you`re Dexter, Cutler. It`s a small list.

[Kronis]

For sure I`m surprised by this myself and always thought there would be some sort of permanent muscle gain from the type of stacks they do. But the guy is know to eat twice a day and enjoy his cocktails a plenty... I wish him all the best with his acting career. Way more money. I have a friend who`s just getting started and has done some movies you will never hear of and he gets paid $200 an hour when on set, and does 10-14 hour days. Last time in 10 days or so he made about $15 000. Bodybuilding costs more than you make unless you`re Dexter, Cutler. It`s a small list.

I've heard the same thing about Kevin regarding his lack of eating and love of alcohol.

I can see why he does this; eating is time consuming and drinking is fun. :friday

[Ritch]

I've heard the same thing about Kevin regarding his lack of eating and love of alcohol.

I can see why he does this; eating is time consuming and drinking is fun. :friday

For me, if it weren`t for training, I`d be an absolute junky, tried to do both but that cought up to me in about 3 years or so...

[ironwill]

I am not sure why we care to be honest?

If anyone here had the ability to be a pro they would be well on their way to it already. Meaning they would already have the inside scoop on the amount of food, training and drugs it takes to get there.

I have little desire to know what pros take. I am never going to be one and I don't aspire to be one so why do I care? I do what I do and and try to be as healthy as possible doing what I do. Yes, I'll experiment with higher doses like my current run of test e and deca. Total of 2300 grams/week. Never been this high before but wanted to try it out and see for myself. So far I am not experiencing sides worse than usual but am not feeling like this high of dose is doing more for me either so I prob won't ever go this high again (maybe EQ tho lol as I don't respond well to EQ at lower - 600mg/week - doses).

Point is, do what you do and stop caring what someone who is wayyyyy out of your league is doing. Really, who wants to look like one of today's pro's anyways? Maybe Dave Henry....!

when the hell are you gonna post up progress pics.....before and afters...
are you still competing..?

[natenator]

when the hell are you gonna post up progress pics.....before and afters...
are you still competing..?
I start training legs end of this month so we'll see how the knee responds. I've done a nice little recomp over the past 6 weeks or so and will continue into prep which will start in July for a November show.

Not sure what my post had to do with me tho as it's pretty much as you've said before... do what you do and worry less what another does and if you require such a huge amount of gear to get you to X then maybe it's not in the cards for you. Kinda agreeing with you :)

[ironwill]

dont get me wrong duder....i am really interested in seeing progress pics, i know u are a monster, and i get motivated.....sorry if i came off as bein a dick, my intentions are genuine...i dont play silly games by baiting...lol..its just not my style...im to upfront and honest by nature..
keep going bro, i look forward to seeing you pump up the jam..:hu